| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/29/2005 11:05:15 PM | | We read alot about Hell on this forum as a place that people who do not accept Jesus Christ will end up. I am having a problem finding much to support this view in the Bible. Yes, the Bible does speak of the Lake of Fire, but from what I see the Hell that everyone believes is in the Bible seems to actually be from Greek mythology. Comments? | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/29/2005 11:05:53 PM | there is already a thread on this topic
all about hell in the other one | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/29/2005 11:11:09 PM | Hell is spoken about often in the Bible. Just going to post a few verses that supports it.
Matthew 25:46
"And then He will say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.'"
Revelation 20:15 says:
And anyone not found in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/29/2005 11:19:05 PM | | My point was, and it was touched on in the other thread but not pursued, is the image of Hell that is associated with the Bible actually a Biblical idea or a Greek idea? Everlasting fire as mentioned in your verse could be different that Hell. | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/29/2005 11:22:53 PM | | I find it all a little confusing myself....when Christ said do not fear man but fear Him who can destroy both body and soul in hell, I take it as that, destroyed..poof gone... | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/29/2005 11:23:02 PM | | Well the Bible does have verses that describe Hell as a place of torment, with everlasting fire, everlasting punishment, etc. As for what hell is "really like" guess you won't know unless you go there. The Bible depicts it as a horrid place, yes. But Im sure people try to make it sound insanely worse to make one not want to go there. I can remember growing up in church and always hearing "your bed will be of magots".....I'd love to see that verse if it exsists...but I'm quite sure it's just the preacher "painting a message". | |
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/29/2005 11:49:47 PM | I am having a problem finding much to support this view in the Bible.
Hellfire is something that comes right before the new kingdom is set up and it devours the devil, his angels and all the ppl who rejected God. It will not be quenched( put out), the smoke will go on forever ( out of site) tell all be devoured. and sin will be no more.
There are no scriptures that talk about a place where the devil is underground turning ppl with his pitchfork to make sure they cook thoroughly for all time. | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/29/2005 11:53:39 PM | "your bed will be of magots".....I'd love to see that verse if it exsists...
the is one verse in the Nt that says the "worm does not die" maybe thats what they had in mind..
(Mark 9:43 KJV) And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
However these verses are not found in the Syriac version and the Persic versionsa | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/29/2005 11:59:33 PM |
the is one verse in the Nt that says the "worm does not die" maybe thats what they had in mind..
That's the only verse I can think of too...but still.. I think that when people preach about it, they try to give you the most visual, graphic picture to view in your head so it makes you think twice. | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/30/2005 3:37:14 AM | If you look at the Old Testament, the whole concept of Hell (at least as we know it in modern times) was foreign to them. Now the New Testament.... we must realize that the New Testament was HIGHLY influenced by Greek paganism and ideas, which no doubt found their way into the Christian religion in order to help draw in those who were grounded in that paganised culture. Hell is one example of this. The words that were typically translated into Hell were either the words sheol or hades....which apparently simply means "the grave" or the "land of the unseen". Then there was Gehenna, a miserable valley where the Hebrews burned trash in their day. For more information, perhaps you could visit a website titled what-the-hell-is-hell.com (funny title, I know)  | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/30/2005 9:06:55 AM | Now I just want to know who decided that Ancient Greek and/or Roman and/or Egyptian belief was a "pagan" thing. Totally different parts of the world. Totally different theology.
Hell is referenced in the bible, but as far as I am aware is not stated as that name.
The ancient Greeks believed in the god Hades who resided in the underworld which was also very much like hell.
A bit of sarcasm: YES! let's take theology from other religions and transform it into our own to make people switch to our way of thinking and THEN THEN anyone who still believes their OLD ways will be killed. Brilliant! it's just brilliant! Even though it goes against everything we claim to believe in, but that's ok, cause they are bad since they don't believe what we do...how dare they have their own faith! | |
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funn1
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/30/2005 11:43:23 AM | Hell is referenced in the bible, but as far as I am aware is not stated as that name.
The ancient Greeks believed in the god Hades who resided in the underworld which was also very much like hell.
that is right, most ppl think of hell the wrong way, it is not a place in the underworld, it is something that is going to burn up the ones who are not with christ.
most time in the bible the word hell is death or the grave. | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/30/2005 4:36:58 PM | GEHENA was a garbage dump outside Jerusalem which continually burned only because it was CONTINUALLY ADDED TO.
MY CONCEPTION OF THE CREATOR BASED ON EXPERIENCE AND SCRIPTURE DOES NOT DEPICT HIM AS A TORTURER WORSE THAN HITLER. What would be the point to eternally burn.......and the God of Abraham Isaec and Jacob appears to me as a loving parent who would sadly and reluctantly nullify some of his children to protect the rest of his children after the ressurection.
that's my belief....GEORGY GIRL..... | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/30/2005 4:43:20 PM | There seems to be a large gap in your post there and your understanding?? | |
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/30/2005 4:56:07 PM | There seems to be a large gap in your post there and your understanding
What is wrong with there understanding???
Do you think god would burn cain longer than say hitler? cain killed one, hitler killed thousands. The bible says God is just and fair. | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/30/2005 5:00:16 PM | | So, are you saying there a varying degrees of heat or punishment Funn1??..To be quite honest I did not quite understand the last part of what Georgy Girl posted... | |
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/30/2005 5:03:49 PM | | No i just think they will all be judged at the same time, the bible says Jesus is coming and his reward is with him..for the good as well as the bad. And I think they will be burned up as the bible says. | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/30/2005 5:04:29 PM | As far as I am aware the hell with regards to evil individuals living in the core of the earth screaming and moaning and wailing being overseen by a red creature with horns a tail and pitchfork has no scriptural basis.
Hell, as far as I’m aware of in the bible, is the total separation of the spirit of God from humanity. | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/30/2005 5:05:51 PM | | So are you saying that Cain who killed just one gets the samr punishment as Hitler who killed millions?? thats hardly fair.. | |
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j-roc
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Joined: 5/24/2005
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/30/2005 5:15:31 PM | | I find hell is more of a New Testament doctrine. In the Old Testament people/souls are destroyed, in the New, they are sent to a lake of fire, or a place with gnashing of teeth....whatever the hell that means. | |
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funn1
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Joined: 1/8/2005
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/30/2005 5:21:16 PM | So are you saying that Cain who killed just one gets the samr punishment as Hitler who killed millions?? thats hardly fair..
Luke 12:46-48
46The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
47And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/30/2005 5:24:59 PM | | The general concept of hell today (firey torment and whatnot) was largly influenced by Dante's model for The Divine Comedy. This model indeed relied heavily on Greek mythology. Dante basically condemned each wretched soul to an allegorical represention of the sin which got them there... For example; people whom could not control their anger were dipicted under the surfice of a lake of boiling blood. Should a soul poke it's head above the surfice,an army of centaurs would fire arrows until it retreated back under the surfice again. Or people that could not make up their mind were condemned forever by being blown around in a directionless wind current.being blown around in side a directionless wind current. | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/30/2005 5:32:58 PM |
GEHENA was a garbage dump outside Jerusalem which continually burned only because it was CONTINUALLY ADDED TO.
What GEORGY GIRL girl is referring to is that Gehena, was used to symbolise the awful consequence of the separation of God (hell). In the verse that was quoted (1 below) it is clear we cannot take the actions literally. Christ is not asking us to cut off our hands or feet because it’s not our feet or hands that sin. It’s all allegorical or symbolisms to illustrate the point that if we sin we have to accept painful solutions to come closer to God. For example, if you have a sex addiction the very thing that will help you recover is the stopping of the very act you enjoy (sex with no love) and replacing it with a more loving relationship (sex with love inside a relationship or marriage in religions that hold marriage as important).
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(Mark 9:43 KJV) And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: | |
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jimyg
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Joined: 1/6/2005
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/30/2005 9:15:53 PM | Just so you know that the spirit realm is real:
I have friends that have been taken into heaven and one was taken by Jesus into hell so he could preach about it and people would know it was real, and I have had angels appear to me also, they are real, angels from Jesus.
Oh, ya I have also seen demons, but they are full of fear and darkness, and look a lot different.
Jimmy | |
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| Hell: Is it Scriptural?
Posted: 11/30/2005 9:34:40 PM | Sparda, of course you provided no Bible verses whatsoever to support your naive idea that Greek paganism influenced Christianity.
Ok, so far we have one verse from the Bible that mentions hell. Kind of odd some preach hellfire and brimstone when it is only mentioned once in the Bible. Also strange that so many assume Hell is some big Biblical concept or doctrine. | |
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