| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 11/30/2005 10:05:32 PM | I'd like to know what your religions think about suicide? Are there any times when it's OK, like your going to die painfully anyways? Some people seem to think it is acceptable in certain situations, and others are strictly against it.
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| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 11/30/2005 10:20:02 PM | | I would say that it's (in general) a selfish, weak "way out." However, in the context of a sacrifice, such as so that others could continue to live, there's ameliorating circumstance. | |
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j-roc
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| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 11/30/2005 10:20:23 PM | Alright....I feel left out....I needed an eye too.
Many biblical characters wanted/attempted or did commit suicide....God seems to overload his followers with more then they can handle. | |
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| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 11/30/2005 10:22:54 PM | ive tried it numorous times...
i believe that its okay if ur going to die or in pain and theres no "cure".
we have no right to judge someones else's decision anyway!
so why to we put *labels* on others?
1 death is seen as a tragdetity
a 1000 is a statistic
total BS people choose whether they wanna live or not.
we cant condone it, or agree w/ it...
this is how life is... | |
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| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 11/30/2005 10:38:12 PM | Selfish and weak?
That is the kind of reson that people with depresion hide thier anxieties untill it is too late. Thier is so much stigma atached to mental health (suicidal tendancies are a form of mental illness) that sufferes, particularly those in the supposed educated world, find that they are stigmatised and martyred when all they want is to be treated normaly and to get better.
No one wants to die, but some people feel forced to it by situations beyoned thier control and are typified by fealings of loss and suffering. Wether that be the loss of thier most beloved, or the suffering of cancerous pain, it dose not mater, the illness is one of the mind. The coping mechanism that works in most people to alow the normal greaving proces breaks down and they become stuck in a endless spiral of despair.
As a pagan, I would never tell someone that if they comit suicide then they are going to go to hell (mostly cause I don't belive in hell, but any other such torment would do for the example) as doing so is a stigmatism that they just do not nead. Heaping more guilt on someone who canot cope with what they already have, is likely to push them over the edge.
I belive the only way to behave towards someone who is suicdal is to behave normaly. Treat them with kindness and respect but do not pamper them, be thier for them to help and support them but do not smuther them and give them a shoulder to cry on, but do not force the issue.
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| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 11/30/2005 10:41:30 PM | | I think its a sin that you cant repent of. Even if your going to die a very bad death how do you know God is not going to heal you or make it much less? One of the ten commandments is not to kill/murder, would this not apply here as well? | |
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| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 11/30/2005 10:50:46 PM | I once heard a person say something that made a lot of sense. God does not punish a person who is not in their right mind because of that very reason. And is a person who wants to die really in their right mind? ( I know I wasn't when I tried) So if God does not punish people in their right mind. And a suicidal is not in their right mind. Then why would they be punished? | |
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| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 11/30/2005 10:53:12 PM | The Bible doesn't condemn suicide though. There are even accounts within the Bible about suicide. Romans 8: 38-39 says:
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
By that account...whether you died at the hands of someone else, or yourself, you will not be seperated God... so I don't think that commiting suicide if you are a beleiver, would mean you go to hell. | |
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| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 11/30/2005 11:04:34 PM | I could only post scripture that would need to be interpretated. I know that won't fly, and since I don't agree with most of the interpretations that the Catholics have I will not waste my time defending it.
So if you are murdered, or in a car accident and die, do you go to hell because you didn't repent ? | |
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| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 11/30/2005 11:17:09 PM | So if you are murdered, or in a car accident and die, do you go to hell because you didn't repent ?
If that happened you would not need to repent because the death was not your fault. now if there was things in your life that was sinful and not repented of you might have a problem, but we are talking about killing yourself. | |
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| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 11/30/2005 11:19:03 PM |
That is the kind of reson that people with depresion hide thier anxieties untill it is too late. Thier is so much stigma atached to mental health (suicidal tendancies are a form of mental illness) that sufferes, particularly those in the supposed educated world, find that they are stigmatised and martyred when all they want is to be treated normaly and to get better.
Raziel, I wouldn't say it if I wasn't speaking from experience. And, you're right, what is really needed is caring, open communication to help heal. However, in my experience, there's a good deal less stigma from the outside than the sufferer tends to perceive. Much of it is projection, and, again, it all signals a need for assistance.
Good point on the "don't do it, or you'll burn in hell" thing, too. From my Pagan perspective, it's a fear thing that denies the love of others, the love for others, and the love of self. Focus on the love, and the fear reduces. As I pointed out before, the only reason I can think of is out of love, i.e. to save someone else, or to spare them the trauma of a long-drawn out illness.
One of the ten commandments is not to kill/murder, would this not apply here as well?
Good point from the Christian perspective.
So if God does not punish people in their right mind. And a suicidal is not in their right mind. Then why would they be punished?
My understanding of this aspect of the Christian God has to do with someone being "out of their right mind" enough to not know the difference between right and wrong. To have full enough cognisance to know you're sinning by killing yourself would mean you're in your right mind enough. Don't know for sure, but that's the way I interpret it.
So if you are murdered, or in a car accident and die, do you go to hell because you didn't repent ?
According to a literal reading of the Bible, yes. | |
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| What do different religions think about suicide?
Posted: 11/30/2005 11:26:46 PM | | Personally, I think it is stupid for anybody to be "punished" for taking their own life. If they don't like it for whatever reason, they just don't. It seems kind of weird that people try to scare people into staying alive by telling them that they will burn in hell for killing themselves and all that junk. If they did go (and that is a very big if, considering my lack of belief in the christian concept of hell), it probably wouldn't be for the act of suicide itself. Maybe just the fact that they weren't a very great person and didn't get that stuff fixed before they did it. Quite simply, if a person is unhappy, it is selfish of others to expect them to stick around just for them. Just my 2 cents. | |
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