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Posted: 12/21/2005 11:20:31 AM | out on a limb here! I guess I want to know why so many think the bible is such an amazing book of text. Now I have read the book a few times and learned alot. However so many make it a lifestyle, and I feel they don't realize taking that book word for word is not how it should be done. It is a history book each peice is gathered from differnt people. Now it is true to say 'a war started this day between these 2 groups of people' however the bible goes past fact and adds personal views. How can some take that one person expierance and make it fact. make it a way to live by. Not to mention all the storied were translated by so many diffrent cultures before it every came to its present day print, how do you know its not all BS! It could have been some childerns storied grandpa made up .... We made it God didn't tell somebody go find writing of this and this and make it what all christians fallow. For real what is going on here?
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Posted: 12/21/2005 11:41:46 AM | Wildfire;
Some suggested reading for you:
"Evidence that Demands a Verdict" And also,
"More Evidence that Demands a Verdict"
A 2 book part study of the scriptures from a historical and factual examination.
Both books by 'Josh McDowell'. | |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 11:48:54 AM | | I know this book, I was just wondering others point of view on this. I will maybe grab it off the book shelf when I get home tonight and read it. Thanks | |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 11:51:16 AM | And too, there are many other books out there, especially of course in 'Christian' bookstores that help in the study of the Bible.
As I mentioned a couple of times in some other threads, the Bible CAN be quite confusing if one does not know much about it, it's history, background, authors, etc.
That's why when some say to me they have 'read the entire Bible', I usually respond kindly by asking them if they also UNDERSTOOD it as well.
I wish you well in your learning journey.  | |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 12:04:27 PM | | Oh i have already researched it many times I still stand in what I say though. I just dont get how people make a lifestyle out of a book. Thats all. | |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 12:09:07 PM | | The lifestyle promoted in the bible is love God with all your heart and love your neighbour as yourself...I don't see anything that is wrong with that idea...Unless of course you want to really love your neighbours wife !!! | |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 12:25:27 PM | | I agree that its a great set of morals... yet why do some take it to that next level. I get sick of people sayin oh but it says this and the red sea spit and the people died I guess its me but I think its crap. I'm very active in my church because it feels good not because of sum book. I want to know what it that book drives people to keep it fallow it for a life time. reference it daily... Oh so confused.... | |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 12:29:25 PM | Why do many people believe that the Bible is such an amazing piece of text?
It is an amazing piece of text. Even if people think it is fictonal mythology only an idiot would not recognise the greatness of the Bible as literature, history, and mythology. I wont even get into how the Bible is at the center of western civilisation and how important it is to understand how the world around us is shaped by that book.
I will let others handle the sacred nature of the Bible. | |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 12:31:24 PM | I want to know what it that book drives people to keep it fallow it for a life time. reference it daily... Oh so confused....
Well, I guess for some it is an interesting book historically, metaphorically etc. Some people dedicate their lives to the study of butterflies. I can't see how they do that either..Humans are the strangest things on the planet..
I will let others handle the sacred nature of the Bible.
I'll be back in a minute after I change into verbose mode ....haha | |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 12:36:28 PM | | Like any good work of fiction the Bible's authors mixe in some historical facts. | |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 2:40:05 PM | | I think that every body agrees that everybody believes in something. so why not the bible . what can be compared to it. most other books have gems in them but they are often, often taken from the bible. each book has one or two gems but the bible has the whole motherload. so if you believe anything then why not the bible. the bible has not caused wars but people have. it ultimately in our timeframe tell us to be peacemakers. the printing press was developed for the bible, immansipation developed thro it, the bible has done nothing but goog. tell me any other book that has done that. where would we be without it.fact or fiction ? it`s what you choose to believe. isn`t it the great advocater of free chose? | |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 9:52:08 PM | The Bible does have some nice imagery and symbolism. Too bad it's usually lost on literalists. In as much as any inanimate object can be said to cause something, the Bible has certainly caused wars, torture, violations of human rights, and immoral behavior.
Lots of books have done much more good than the Bible, for example, Uncle Tom's Cabin and Black Like Me. | |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 10:04:20 PM |
Lots of books have done much more good than the Bible, for example, Uncle Tom's Cabin and Black Like Me
Thats a pretty bold statement Count, especially given the comparitive youth of those books.
Could you elaborate on the influence of those books? | |
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Posted: 12/21/2005 10:51:31 PM | The problem is that the Holy Spirit that wrote [directed the writing to the point that his inspirited prophets (inspired by The Spirit of Truth,) wrote it!]
If you are baptised in the Holy Spirit, then He, being God, will tell you the truth about what you are reading:
1 John 2:26-27
.27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.
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John 16:13-15
3 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.
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That's why truth comes by hearing, you hear God speak to you while you read, or it has no profit:Rom 10:17
So then faith comes by hearing
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That is why you get Baptised in the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues That's right speakin in Yes, you heard me right the first time speak in
Have a nice Holy SPirit day,
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Posted: 12/22/2005 5:47:41 AM |
Message: out on a limb here! I guess I want to know why so many think the bible is such an amazing book of text. Now I have read the book a few times and learned alot. However so many make it a lifestyle, and I feel they don't realize taking that book word for word is not how it should be done.
And how did you decide that is not how it should be done. Maybe it's just that is not how you would do it. I wouldn't do it word for word either, but that doesn't make me right, that just makes me "me."
It is a history book each peice is gathered from differnt people. Now it is true to say 'a war started this day between these 2 groups of people' however the bible goes past fact and adds personal views. How can some take that one person expierance and make it fact. make it a way to live by.
People do it all the time, That's the nature of philosophy. The great philosophers could not "philosophize" outside of anyones experience but their own. Neither could the writers of the Biblical text. What inspires you? What have you read that impacts your life? Whatever it is, it came from the mind and thoughts and experiences of someone else.
Not to mention all the storied were translated by so many diffrent cultures before it every came to its present day print, how do you know its not all BS!
The Bible really hasn't lost much in translation, as long as it has been translated from the original Greek or Hebrew language. Some, of course have taken a liberal approach to it in efforts to modernize it, but if one doesn't agree with the translation they are big and thick and make good kindling. "how do you know".......is a question that gets asked over and over and over again and without elaborating on the "faith" doctrines and theologies I don't know that there is a good answer. But those answers have also been done over and over and over again. I don't just mean on these forums, I mean there is tons of theology written on the subject.
It could have been some childerns storied grandpa made up .... We made it God didn't tell somebody go find writing of this and this and make it what all christians fallow. For real what is going on here?
And so could Darwinism, or the writings of Nietzche, or if it's a question of history there is a movement that questions whether Hitlers killing of the Jews really happened. Mankind seems to thrive on evidence, but the only evidence that they accept, usually, is seeing it. Look at all the theories around the Kennedy assasination that have comeup since he died in 1963. Or is Elvis really dead? Since people didn't see him die, or go to the funeral, there's dozens of theories out there to suggest he is really alive. (althought he would be really old now:-)
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Posted: 12/22/2005 6:05:48 AM |
Lots of books have done much more good than the Bible, for example, Uncle Tom's Cabin and Black Like Me.
That has got to be one of the most ridiculous statements I have read for some time in here...
The Bible has MILLIONS of copies in print, worldwide, in countless languages, and has done more GOOD for mankind than any negative things you could ever come up with to attack it with.
While I sometimes see your side and views in some things from time to time, and other things take with even a grain of salt, this one is wayyyyyy off base big time. | |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 7:37:28 AM | | jimyg so much knowledge. what is the wisdom that applies to it? | |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 8:31:01 AM |
The Bible has MILLIONS of copies in print, worldwide, in countless languages, and has done more GOOD for mankind than any negative things you could ever come up with to attack it with.
I'm hard pressed to see any good that has come from the Bible. Emancipation was mentioned earlier, yet that's not true at all. The Bible condones slavery, both in the Old and New Testaments. Uncle Tom's Cabin did more for the slaves than the Bible ever could. I think peace was also mentioned, but I fail to see where the Bible has brought peace. In the OT God constantly eggs his people on to go to war. Even Jesus admitted that he didn't come to bring peace, but rather a sword. Most wars that we've seen in Europe have been caused by the Bible. Books like the Red Badge of Courage, All Quiet on the Western Front, and Slaughterhouse 5, have done more to promote peace than the Bible ever could. Equal Rights for women is foreign to the Bible. Indeed the Bible, both Testaments again, consistently places women in an inferior position to men. In this area A Vindication of the Rights of Woman gave birth to feminism which lead to equal rights. The Bible doesn't seem to have anything to say about race relations, except when Jesus calls a Greek woman a dog. In fact his comment make it clear that any Gentile was considered a dog by him. Black Like Me was an influential book about being black in America and really brought home how black were being treated. If we were to place our trust in the Bible for our health care we'd all be sacrificing doves when we got sick or seeking out faith healers like Jimmy Swaggert. We'd still think sickness was caused by demonic possession. We owe the scientific method to Francis Bacon which he described in Novum Organum. This book alone has done more good than the Bible. We now have medicine, surgery, food that's safe to eat, plumbing, cars, airplanes, computers, eye-glasses, biodegradeable plastic, and thousands of other things that improve our quality of life. | |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 8:42:24 AM | | strangely enough it`s usually christians who have brought in the changes | |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 8:49:00 AM | In for a penny as "they" say.... Wildfirefly,...its fiction...but the concepts involved in the story telling are almost all (not all , but almost) related to giving comfort and direction to people asking questions very much like you are doing now...The oral tradition of many cultures comes into account here as well as the cloistered lifestyle and world at large excluding mindset of the monast.... You do not have to or even Need to believe the stuff in the book,...but it wouldnt hurt anyone, (even some here) to at least Try to be more like the examples laid out by the work... You can look here for inspiration, but inspiration itself does not originate with some book written (as you correctly point out) By Men...
Inspiration when it comes to you will come from inside of you...if it ever does...but take heart girl, you are looking, how could you miss it??? | |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 9:38:09 AM |
Oh i have already researched it many times I still stand in what I say though. I just dont get how people make a lifestyle out of a book. Thats all.
The proof is in the pudding as they say. The bible cannot be understood for what it does deep within a person by studying it at arms length. I grew up in the church, read it and prayed but didn't get a clue what it does for the person until I was ready to throw my total trust into what it had to say. Not from a historical viewpoint but a spiritual one. Lifestyle is not a good description because you can have the lifestyle but not the Spirit. The Pharisees had the lifestyle but Jesus still had a lot of negative things to say about them.
If it wasn't for the Bible we would still be living in a pagan culture, crucifying enemies, thowing them to wild animals, "sacrificing virgins to the dark lord" and living in superstitious fear. | |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 11:17:05 AM | | It's beyond belief ... fact to some or fiction to others. Wide range of interpretation ... | |
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Posted: 12/22/2005 11:58:04 AM | | It sells on faith, that’s its function. It was never out to prove itself. If its purpose had been anything else it would have been thrown out centuries ago. I think it’s a very dangerous piece of propaganda. Why? Because is has created more wars than all of humankind put together. | |
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