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Posted: 12/25/2005 10:39:58 PM | I was wondering, what inspires Atheists to pick on Christians, or other religious groups.
I mean why bother? Do Atheists have a moral obligation to spread their kind of truth?
And something else. Atheists also base their beliefs in some theories. You well know what those theories are, and "theory" is not my choice of word. They are mentioned as such.
Doesn't it take a dose of belief, to base your life on something that probably won't be proven untill the time you are well rotten, 3 feet under the ground?
Wouldn't that make Atheism, a form of religion just as well? | |
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Posted: 12/25/2005 10:54:10 PM | I think some are just reacting to the sort of constant blather about how they are all going to hell.
It is a response to dogma more then anything else i think.
I wouldn't know for sure I am not an Atheist.
However I don’t think resistance to another’s dogma implies religiosity. | |
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Dryad
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Joined: 7/19/2005
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Posted: 12/25/2005 11:27:09 PM | ^^ You think it’s the threat of hell?
I always thought it was the threat of being reborn as a wombat… go figure.
Hmmm… a bit more seriously, which is going to be tough right at the moment, but I’ll check on it tomorrow and modify if I’m a bit off.
Why does anyone tell anyone about their beliefs?
I guess we all seem to appreciate company in our delusions. | |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 7:58:48 AM | "And something else. Atheists also base their beliefs in some theories. You well know what those theories are, and "theory" is not my choice of word. They are mentioned as such."
This is kind of funny. EVERYTHING is a theory. I can't speak for other atheists or agnostics, but the whole point from my perspective is the rejection of placing absolute faith in one theory over all others, especially when it lacks empirical evidence. Quantum physics and relativity are theories, yes. So is the notion that the earth rests on the back of a giant turtle. There are significant differences between these theories though. Quantum physics and relativity are strongly supported by logic, empirical evidence, predictive capability, and coherence with other strongly supported theories. Gloming onto the term "theory" is silly and betrays and utter lack of knowledge of the sciences. It's a qualitative issue.
"Do Atheists have a moral obligation to spread their kind of truth?"
Again, I can't speak for others, but I only feel a need to remind people to keep their facts straight and be logical. Other than that, I don't care what people believe.
"Wouldn't that make Atheism, a form of religion just as well?"
A religion, no. "Religion" has a standard of meaning that involves belief in a supreme being, but strong Atheism is a faith, as to claim with utter certainty that God doesn't exist is a faith based position. It can not be proved or disproved. I, personally, reject such absolute statements, which is why I fall into the category of either weak Atheism, or strong Agnosticism. I find the notion both superfluous and tantamount to believing in the tooth fairy, but I would not claim with utter certainty that there may not be some truth to it. In the same regard, it's possible there may be some truth to the tooth fairy. Probable, hardly, but possible. | |
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| Atheists
Posted: 12/26/2005 9:48:04 AM |
I was wondering, what inspires Atheists to pick on Christians,
Christians. | |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 9:59:36 AM | | Well, at least Christians are inspiring people. | |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 12:35:59 PM | | Muslims can be inspiring too. But I don't really know enough about Islam to debate their religion. So I'll just slam them for their general support or lack of opposition to terrorism. | |
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longte
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Joined: 10/18/2004
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Posted: 12/26/2005 1:29:10 PM | """Well, at least Christians are inspiring people"""
This is really the crux of the matter
Yes; some Christians are inspiring people
But for every one that inspires you there are ten that do not.
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| Atheists
Posted: 12/26/2005 2:41:04 PM | Well, at least Christians are inspiring people.
Christians are often so busy inspiring each other, they fail to realize what they do disgusts others.
Christianity IS persecution!
What seems so inspiring to Christ's followers simply bounces off others.
Someone earlier had it.
It's the christians. Why is christianity mocked? Because of the christians. Why do athiest attack christianity? Because of the christians.
Christianity is proactive. It is aggressive. And ladies and gentleman, it is stupid.
It's antieducation.
It's antirevolution.
It's antiequality.
It's anti-individual.
Christianity goes against most of the things I believe to be right and true in this world.
Yes, OP, I consider it a moral obligation to be antichrist.
Well, at least Christians are inspiring people.
Christians are inspiring each other to kill. To send money. To hate. To send money. To vote. To send money. To save souls. To send money. To spread the word that Jesus said (I'm paraphrasing) Love Me Or Else You Will Spend An Eternity in Hell.
I'm trying to lighten up. I just get so INSPIRED sometimes. | |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 6:57:58 PM | ^^^^^ I'd agree with his point only if he related it to the more... fanatical christians. I've known plenty of christians who don't try to force their beliefs on others and take a lighter side to interpiting their religion.
My only problem is when a christian comes in and says that his religion is fact. That pisses me off and that makes me get defensive.
Sure we've got some athiests who bring down the rest of the athiests, but so does every religion. They're called fanatics and if we could just shut them up I think we'd all be alot better off. | |
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longte
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Joined: 10/18/2004
Msg: 11 | |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 7:02:42 PM | ^^^ BOO HISS
Too logical an answer
You should know by now that most times logic and religion don't make easy bedfellows
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j-roc
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Joined: 5/24/2005
Msg: 12 | |
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Posted: 12/26/2005 9:42:28 PM |
I was wondering, what inspires Atheists to pick on Christians, Christians.  | |
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Posted: 12/27/2005 10:54:12 AM |
"And something else. Atheists also base their beliefs in some theories. You well know what those theories are, and "theory" is not my choice of word. They are mentioned as such."
This is kind of funny. EVERYTHING is a theory. I can't speak for other atheists or agnostics, but the whole point from my perspective is the rejection of placing absolute faith in one theory over all others, especially when it lacks empirical evidence. Quantum physics and relativity are theories, yes. So is the notion that the earth rests on the back of a giant turtle. There are significant differences between these theories though. Quantum physics and relativity are strongly supported by logic, empirical evidence, predictive capability, and coherence with other strongly supported theories. Gloming onto the term "theory" is silly and betrays and utter lack of knowledge of the sciences. It's a qualitative issue.
"Do Atheists have a moral obligation to spread their kind of truth?"
Again, I can't speak for others, but I only feel a need to remind people to keep their facts straight and be logical. Other than that, I don't care what people believe.
"Wouldn't that make Atheism, a form of religion just as well?"
A religion, no. "Religion" has a standard of meaning that involves belief in a supreme being, but strong Atheism is a faith, as to claim with utter certainty that God doesn't exist is a faith based position. It can not be proved or disproved. I, personally, reject such absolute statements, which is why I fall into the category of either weak Atheism, or strong Agnosticism. I find the notion both superfluous and tantamount to believing in the tooth fairy, but I would not claim with utter certainty that there may not be some truth to it. In the same regard, it's possible there may be some truth to the tooth fairy. Probable, hardly, but possible.
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Posted: 12/27/2005 3:39:07 PM | There is a certain amount of "smugness" directed at Xians from athiests. Athiests keep searching for truth incessantly, while Xians don't need to keep searching. Xians bring most of the resentment upon themselves, though. A tendency to condemn people to eternal damnation for not following their rules tends to get non-Xians a little peeved.
As an Atheist, I used to enjoy poking fun at the logic and rules of their religion. I used to get excited when some poor Xian would bang on my door, asking if I "had accepted Jesus into my heart yet". I would have them chasing their tails, in some elegant display of circular logic. Good times..... | |
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nergal
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Joined: 5/12/2005
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Posted: 12/28/2005 6:35:56 AM | | ^^^ I think that is a point made. Christians cannot accept that anyone else has a right to their own beliefs. I could make a legal case of the fact that no religion has any right to interfere in the way I run my life. The legal system of a country does, and in some cases that is Muslim which is wrong. The UK is technically a Christian state but in the USA the constitution specifically forbids any relgious body having political power. Thats why Chrisitians are so damned annoying, they think everybody want to play in their court, and NO WE DONT!!!! | |
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Posted: 12/28/2005 1:18:15 PM | Wow Jeremy that's soo... discrimatory of you. I'm insulted you think athiests are like that. YOU have have found YOUR answer, but if the same answer worked for everyone, why aren't ALL christians happy and peacefull?
Secondly by saying "they do not accept that anything is wrong or bad - just different" just shows how much ignorance you have twards athiests. Just because we chose not to believe in a god doesn't mean we don't have a sense of right and wrong. | |
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j-roc
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Joined: 5/24/2005
Msg: 18 | |
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Posted: 12/28/2005 1:32:22 PM | Jeremycerebus,
Right and wrong is not clear at all in the bible. If one is to believe God then murder is okay. You can stone your children for insubordinance, stone homosexuals, kill witches, adultery is also punishable by death, along with killing atheists. It is also acceptable to kill your wife if she is not a virgin on your wedding night. There are many more examples of what is good in Gods mind. If you want to follow the words of a false God (a man who couldn’t fulfill the prophecies) aka Jesus, then you are to turn the other cheek. When you refer to the bible as teaching right and wrong are you referring to the teachings of God or of a heretic (Jesus) ? If you want to gather sticks on the Sabbath, God thinks you should be stoned to death....Jesus likes to mock God and mislead people from Gods teachings...maybe Satan in disguise. | |
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Posted: 12/28/2005 1:57:35 PM | Well, at least Christians are inspiring people. Christians are often so busy inspiring each other, they fail to realize what they do disgusts others.
Christianity IS persecution!
What seems so inspiring to Christ's followers simply bounces off others.
Someone earlier had it.
It's the christians. Why is christianity mocked? Because of the christians. Why do athiest attack christianity? Because of the christians.
Christianity is proactive. It is aggressive. And ladies and gentleman, it is stupid.
It's antieducation.
It's antirevolution.
It's antiequality.
It's anti-individual.
Christianity goes against most of the things I believe to be right and true in this world.
Yes, OP, I consider it a moral obligation to be antichrist.
[Well, at least Christians are inspiring people.]
Christians are inspiring each other to kill. To send money. To hate. To send money. To vote. To send money. To save souls. To send money. To spread the word that Jesus said (I'm paraphrasing) Love Me Or Else You Will Spend An Eternity in Hell.
Wrong! That's not Christianity, its religion and it's religion that is more anti-Christ than it is for Christ.
True Christianity does not teach "Love Me Or Else You Will Spend An Eternity in Hell" because for a start, there is no literal Hell-fire and it's a mistake in doctrine that shows how far away from Christianity the churches are, it's a lie.
True Christianity teaches love and peace and forgiveness. The very early Christians were pacifists. True Christians are and always have been against lies and violence and war.
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Posted: 12/28/2005 2:54:55 PM | ^^^ I agree. Sadly their name has been corrupted and unfortunately the ideas of christianity have been forever changed.
I think the "true" followers of the teachings of Jesus need to setup a new religion: "The Followers of the Ideas of Christ" TFIC. That would, hopefully, set them apart from the corrupt religions and thus allow the rest of the world to scorn christians with more accuracy without hitting the innocient ones. | |
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MizKel
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Joined: 12/18/2005
Msg: 21 | |
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Posted: 12/28/2005 6:22:15 PM | I have to say AMEN to that.
I'm happy and proud to be a Christian. I don't shout it from the rooftops but in this day and age, I probably should.
God bless. | |
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Posted: 12/29/2005 6:23:41 AM | | I agree with Lord Dave here...everything he has said so far has been thouight out, level toned and an attempt to (successful) be erudite... | |
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Posted: 12/29/2005 8:59:18 AM | Well, I figure some time News Years Morning  I will be kneeing in front of the Great Porcelain Alter.  Perhaps He'll give a response, but I am not holding my breath. | |
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Posted: 12/29/2005 12:34:33 PM | | Jeremy umm... could you be more specific? My point is that the teachings of Jesus was the basis of Christianity, but it's been so twisted that the teachings are no longer followed like they were before the roman empire became christian. As such those who do follow the true teachings of Jesus are put into the same catagory as those who don't. | |
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Posted: 12/29/2005 12:58:21 PM | | Dave, what teachings do you think are not being followed nowadays?? | |
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