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| What is a Christian
Posted: 12/30/2005 12:25:26 PM | My boyfriend broke up with me because I'm not Christian enough. Although I was happy to go to church with him and made every effort to learn more and get involved.
Now I find him on this website trying to get women he has never met to have random sex with him.
And I'm the one who isn't Christian enough?!?!? Then what is a Christian?
I think he thinks it's ok to do things like that, because he's a christian and will be forgiven for his sins.
I may not know everything, but I'm pretty sure that's not the way it works. | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 12/30/2005 12:33:44 PM | Wow, I'm really sorry that happened to you! I hate it when people call themselves Christians and behave like that. It makes the rest of us look like hypocrites. That is really terrible, and I hope you don't think we're all like that.
I can't tell you for sure if he is a Christian, but he's certainly not behaving like one. And it sounds like he broke up with you for other reasons (maybe because he wants to be a slut?), not because you're not "Christian enough". That may have just been a convenient excuse. | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 12/30/2005 12:44:03 PM | My boyfriend broke up with me because I'm not Christian enough. Although I was happy to go to church with him and made every effort to learn more and get involved.
Now I find him on this website trying to get women he has never met to have random sex with him.
And I'm the one who isn't Christian enough?!?!? Then what is a Christian?
I think he thinks it's ok to do things like that, because he's a christian and will be forgiven for his sins.
I may not know everything, but I'm pretty sure that's not the way it works.
No honey, HE wasn't the one who was Christian enough. Put religion aside for a minute and think of you as a woman and him as your man. Of course you have the right to be pissed. You were doing what you though would be good for you guys. Nothing to blame there. That's actually something to be applauded on. You aren't left with any guilt because you were the one trying. You are better off without him. He sounds like a loser (no offence).
As for being Christian enough... No one can be Christian enough. Being Christian isn't a matter of how many brownie points you can earn. It's a matter of accepting Jesus Christ and knowing He died on the cross for your sins because He loves you sooooo much! And when you accept Him, sure, you can call yourself a Christian. Personally, I call myself born-again because that's what the Bible says you are when you accept Him. A lot of religions make you do works to get to Heaven or other things like that. But being a Christian is like a whole other ball game. And if you only try to accept Christ because you are "converting" for someone, that doesn't count. It has to come from your heart and you have to KNOW He died for your sins so you can have eternal life with Him. And no one in this world is perfect. We all mess up in some way. So (just in my opinion) you don't have to worry if you are Christian enough. Just do your best for yourself and Him, and you will be ok. He wants us to live for Him but there are so many worldly things that get in the way. Including our own flesh. But it doesn't hurt to try and He knows that and your heart.
But don't listen to him. You sound like a nice girl. You can find a LOT better! 
Off topic: blueberry, I LOVE that picture!! I have a cat that looks just like that! | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 12/30/2005 1:24:57 PM | An apple tree is known to be an apple tree because of the fruits it bears even if the owner of the tree swears on affidavit that the tree is a pear tree.
Similarly, a christian is a person whose lifestyle manifests the love of Christ.
There are many people in this world who are not christians but claim that they are because they had said the prayer as if God is easily mocked by a useless empty utterance of words.
And, conversely, there are many people who are christians but are deemed by the deceivers to be nonchristians.
No true christian should be offended by what I have written because no offense is intended.
I know that christianity is taking a bashing in this world because of the false christians who are doing bad things while proclaiming christianity and therefore giving true chistians a bad name.
And someone has to speak out...so that the tarnishing of christianity might cease or ease....
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 12/30/2005 1:28:20 PM | asb, totally agree with what you're saying. 
The OP can do better. Don't let other people tell you you're not good enough.
And thanks! I took that pic when my cat was sniffing my web cam. I'm really happy with how it turned out. Hehe.
wiseone: So true. Beautifully said. | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 12/30/2005 3:05:21 PM | reply from someone with 16 years of catholic education ----
chrisitan -
follower of Jesus Christ, His ascention, His doctrine and precepts...
Does not sound like the man you describe | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 12/30/2005 6:15:47 PM | | Happygirlie, you are absolutely right—that’s not how Christianity works. I certainly can’t judge what is truly in your X-boyfriend’s heart, but he’s certainly not acting like a Christian. If he truly believes that he can do as he pleases because his sins are forgiven, I would see that as a huge red flag in regards to his faith. Yes, if one has surrendered their life to Christ, their sins are forgiven. But if one has truly surrendered, they no longer want to sin and will do their best not to. Repentance is a big part of being a Christian, and that means turning away from sin. This doesn’t sound like what is happening with your X. It may not feel like it right now, but you’re definitely better off without him. | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 12/30/2005 6:22:30 PM | | The term Christian, literally means... Christ Like. Not Christ. We cannot become like He was. He knew that, but to be like him. He called Judas, the one that betrayed him and paved the way to the crusifixion, Friend. Even after he knew Judas would betray him, he still called him friend. Not christian enough... isnt that what Jesus had a problem with regarding the Phrasees? | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 12/30/2005 8:22:56 PM | Some say anyone who believes in Christ and the Bible... That's where the hypocracy begins.
A true christian walks in the footsteps that christ did. There's not many true christians in the world. Too bad eh?
I personally am not a christian but believe that those who are true christians are respectable people. Each to his/her own I say. | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 12/30/2005 9:26:21 PM |
A true christian walks in the footsteps that christ did. There's not many true christians in the world. Too bad eh?
Heh, you ARE right. And it sure is too bad that we can't be more like Christ. | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 12/31/2005 6:11:42 AM | | I agree with what has been said. I feel a true christian is someone who follows the teachings of Jesus and has a desire to be pefect. | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 12/31/2005 2:50:56 PM | | A Christian is someone who believes that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior and the Son of the one true living God . | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 12/31/2005 3:03:34 PM | As stated, his decision had nothing to do with being a Christian. It was an excuse..he simply is behaving very poorly, by almost anyones standards, and trying to blame you. You really have not lost anything....and he will pay a heavy lesson for lying.
Going to church does not make him a Christian. If I sleep in a garage, am I a car? | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 12/31/2005 5:03:16 PM |
Similarly, a christian is a person whose lifestyle manifests the love of Christ.
Well said, Wiseone. The entire post (message 4) from which I took the above excerpt is right on the money. For those who are interested in this question, we also have some fairly lively discussions relating to this issue going on in these other threads: "the worst Christian heresy of all" and "why is the gospel being kept a secret".
OP ... re the boyfriend that says you are "not Christian enough" for him, I gotta agree with ASB and Blueberry that you're probably better off without him. Maybe you should just be grateful that he has introduced you, it seems, to "learning more" and let him go along his merry way. | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 12/31/2005 10:23:41 PM | Happy,
eveyone here is giving good advice, and I'm praying you will find a real "Son of God,"
I have found people who have repeated words in their minds, but they have a different spirit than that of Jesus, and after praying with them and making them slow down, and say the works from their hearts then all of a sudden they felt different and eveyone know they had changed including them, that after years of going to alters and attempting to get saved actually got saved, but in the mean time they did sow and reap a lot of bad things by attempting to do things in the Spirit with out the Spirit, but now they have fruit which is Love.
We shall know them by their fruit, or Love, not memorizing scripture, or praying, or education, but by one thing Love out of which comes joy and peace.
You, feel like you have Love and humility, they only come from God.
Now, a history lesson, forgiven is good, but you always "sow and reap,"
Lets look at King David, he committed adultery and murder to cover it up, and he was forgiven by God and didn't have to die, but Guess what he reapped:
1. THe sword never left his family.
2. His son rapped his daughter, like father like som.
3. One son murdered.
4 One son maybe his favorite rebelled and was killed and no one knows if he was saved.
5 His son Solomon who took the throne, multiplied wives, which he wasn't suppossed to do, but like father like son, and his wives turned him away from Yahoveh, so we do not know even today if he went to heaven or not?
6. David lost all his wives.
7. He became senial. while Moses had perect eye sight and sthrength even at 120years.
I'm sure their is more, but I need to go to bed, but your exboyfriend, breaking a relationship and wanting to fornicate, he will pay the price, for instance in Long View Washington, it has the second highest rate of incurable vinearial disease in the nation, you don't can escape sowing and reapping, especially if your a "son of God,"
I will keep praying for you and everyone hear wins the  for good advice,
have a nice new year,
Jimmy | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 1/2/2006 7:15:03 AM | Thank you all very much for taking the time to confirm what I already felt was true. I've taken up a bible study and have noted many passages that do not indicate my ex is a Christian at all. He seems to be under this impression that if he believes in God and repents his sins..that he can sin all he wants. The bibles says "When you follow the desires of your sinful nature, your lives will produce these evil results: sexual immortality, impure thoughts, eagerness for lustful pleasure.......wild parties and other kinda of sin. Let me tell you again, as I have before, that anyone living that sort of life will not inherit the Kingdom of God."
But I'm also confused because knowing how he is acting and that the bible says "if another Christian is overcome by some sin you who are godly should gently and humbly help that person back onto the right path" A part of me wants to help him, I never even knew he had this in him, and he knows the bible, he knows better. But another part of me thinks I do not want a person like him in my life anymore at all! My friends and family would rather I have nothing to do with him after the way he hurt me as well.
I am trying to trust in God, that everything will happen as it should. That...he knows the plans he has for me...but it is soo hard.
As Christians...how are you able to put complete faith in God and not try to alter things by your own human devices? I'm struggling very much with this.
I want more than anything to completely trust God that everything that has happened is what should happen and will all turn out right in the end. But I still feel so sad and hurt and betrayed. | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 1/2/2006 7:53:04 AM |
But I'm also confused because knowing how he is acting and that the bible says "if another Christian is overcome by some sin you who are godly should gently and humbly help that person back onto the right path" A part of me wants to help him, I never even knew he had this in him, and he knows the bible, he knows better. But another part of me thinks I do not want a person like him in my life anymore at all! My friends and family would rather I have nothing to do with him after the way he hurt me as well.
Well I think that alone is your own choice. I helped my ex with that once and got crapped on for it. God helped me heal from the breakup, but I don't know if it was persistance on my part or what, but I tried helping him and he didn't really care, so I'm not going to tell you to go and help him with that. You might get burned pretty bad if you are still harboring any feelings for him.
As Christians...how are you able to put complete faith in God and not try to alter things by your own human devices? I'm struggling very much with this.
I wish I had the answer to that. But the main thing we all need to do if we are stuggling with that is pray. The world is gonna be BAM right in our faces, and we can stray VERY easily. But as long as you are trying for yourself and Jesus Christ, that is what matters. We just have to humble ourselves before Him and pretty much say, "Well I can't do this on my own and I need your guidance. Can you please help me and take this burden from me?" And He will. May not be today or tomorrow, but He will.
I want more than anything to completely trust God that everything that has happened is what should happen and will all turn out right in the end. But I still feel so sad and hurt and betrayed.
Ahh honey, welcome to my life. That was how I felt about my ex. But you know what? Even if you don't know how to fully trust God (because a LOT of people, Christians too have a hard time giving their life totoally to God and trusting Him) there is always prayer and hope. God will never give you more than you can handle and you can ask Him something like, "LORD, I'm stuggling to give myself to you and live your will. Please help me." And He will. You have to try try try (God helps those who help themselves) but He will help you.
I have been struggling with that for a LONG time now. I want to give myself to Him but bad bad things keep happening to me (tests maybe??) and there are some things I don't want to give up yet.... We just have to pray about it. God wants us to talk to Him about everything. Even if you are reading a book, ask Him, "So what did u think of that?" I did that once while I was doing something else and man, do you feel great knowing that the LORD is there with you.
Keep your chin up though because you ARE going to meet a great guy one day. You know what you DON'T want, and that is a start! I'll pray for you and don't worry, in the times when it's really hard.... life DOES go on. I just recently learned that myself. | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 1/2/2006 8:04:11 AM | And someone has to speak out...so that the tarnishing of christianity might cease or ease....
You have written correctly.
Many Christians claim to be Christians that are not Christians.
This is not a judgement issue as many believe but a discernment between Christian and none Christian, which Jesus Christ has given to us, to admonish, reproof, edify and correct these would-be Christians that claim to be Christians. Saul, whose name was changed to the Apostle Paul, went around murdering alot of Christians in the name of God until he was corrected by Jesus Christ Himself. He became one of the main Authors of the Scriptureal New Testament writings, inspired by God. He had no problem telling people who claimed to be Christian that were not true Christians and repeatedly tried to correct, edify, reproof and admonish them in the error of their ways concerning the Teachings of Christ Jesus. Many of them fell away, many came back to True Christianity and many remained the same to their own condemnation, meaning that they were not saved Christians as they went around claiming to be. These are hypocrites that shall suffer a worse punishment than that of a none believer. It will be better for them to not have been born. If a none Christian gets another Christian to fall away, their fate will be very terrible indeed. But if a Christian gets a none Christian to be redeemed, many sins shall be covered for this action of love.
Subject: What is a Christian
This is an individual who has recieved Jesus Christ into their heart, mind and body. They become a changed individual with love being formost in their being. They are Born Again. They continue to grow and receive Daily Bread, they forgive and are forgiven. They do not pursue wordly issues, they pursue Godly issues, that lead to Eternal Life with Christ Jesus. They become a Light unto the world that shows others that are not Christians the error of their ways, that are foolish and none productive for the pursuit Christ Jesus. They do not leave their mate and claim them to be not Christian enough, this is strickly forbidden in the Scriptures. They stay with their mate and continue to correct, reproof, admonish and edify them with love being formost in their being. If Christians who claim to be Christians were actually living Christian lives, there would be no separation of two joined individuals, save for the instance of Fornication, no other reason is given to leave your mate according to Christ Jesus. If you do not follow these Teachings of Christ Jesus then you are not a Christian. If you do follow these Teachings of Christ Jesus then you are a True Christian.
Also, if your mate does not return unto you, the unsaved individual, you have been called to peace by God. It is better to be not be with that person in the first place. But do not go looking for another mate, let God bring another into your life for you. Take this time to try and correct this individual and if they do not return, then take this time to grow in the Word.
Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and all other things I shall provide for you. | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 1/2/2006 8:52:23 AM | Happy, I don't think anyone can tell you whether you should continue a friendship with him and try to reprove him for his bad behavior. Sometimes it is best to just move on. But yes, as asb says, pray about it. And pray for him. That is the most powerful thing you can do. God knows his heart, and only He can make the changes needed for him to turn from his ways.
I do understand how hard it can be to trust God with everything in your life, especially when you know that it could mean some really difficult things may happen. We want to have control of our lives and avoid the painful experiences. It's human nature. I fought with that for many years. But God was patient with me and gradually worked with my willful heart, showing me that even though there are trials and "refining by fire", they are all for my good in the end. And, I figure: life is hard and bad things happen. How much better to go through it with the assurance of our Lord who is with us through every step than to try and fight through on our own? He is the loving father who will never leave me or let me fall. So even in the most terrifying, painful, or frustrating of experiences, we can know with total assurance that He is with us all the way, working in us. And if we just submit to Him, we will come out the other side stronger, more joyful, more peaceful, more compassionate, and more grateful to our Lord for all he has done and continues to do for us. It is actually possible to be joyful even during suffering. | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 1/2/2006 11:57:31 AM | | I agree with Xelsorsior and Blueberry on that. To be a Christian, you have to accept Christ as LORD and personal Savior and submit to Him and His will... That's the hardest thing for me and I'm sure for a lot of people if you don't like accepting help. But if you want to do what God wants you to do, than that's it right there. | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 1/2/2006 10:26:48 PM | Happy,
Well, to repent means to turn to God 180degrees, In the Greek Peterr repented when he denied Jesus, but the Greek word for Judas isn't really repent, it was that he felt remorse, because he was caught, and I'm sure discoverd that in that scoiety, saved or unsaved, no one would associate with someone who broke bread with some one and betrayed them. So, instead of turning to God, he decieded to turn to his own righteousness and murder himself.
True repentence has fruit of love in it and the desire not to sin again and the faith that God will deliver you from sin.
I always ask someone who doen't feel like they know Jesus, but claim to, "what did you say, personally to Jesus when you surrendered your life to him," and if they can't answer, or won't then you know something is wrong.
We are led by the spirit not or mind, remorse, false compassion, or false burdon. If the Spirit of God doesn't lead you to go to someone then don't, or at least don't go until the Spirit sends you, in the mean time you can pray conviction on them until the Spirit tells you to go and that may be years.
If you want to hear God better when he speaks to you, which is every second of every day, then if you haven't already, ask Jesus to baptise you in his Holy Spirit and then when he comes to you, He will feel like a Spirit wanting in, let Him in or He will leave, He is like a dove and won't force His way in.
have a nice day,
and ater you have the Holy Spirit speak in tongues and strengthen your inner person!!! | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 1/3/2006 2:35:18 AM | | A christian is some who believes in the teachings of Jesus. I believe in most of what he said but he wasn't perfect. | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 1/3/2006 5:34:55 AM |
I believe in most of what he said but he wasn't perfect.
How do you figure He wasn't perfect? He was God! | |
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| What is a Christian
Posted: 1/3/2006 9:35:00 AM | Christ had God 'in Him' but wasn't God. I see them as differently as chalk and cheese. But then I see the Bible as man's mystification also.   | |
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