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|I am curious to know what the Christians believe happens with cloning. I am not interested in the moralities of it, but do you think that the soul is also cloned ? Is the clone souless ?|
Posted: 1/1/2006 7:27:04 PM
|Interesting question j-roc. Has there been a sucessful cloning of a human being? Does this clone still live? Please fill me in as I'm totally ignorant of scientific advancements ...|
Posted: 1/1/2006 7:36:14 PM
|There have been millions of successfuls human clones. They're known as twins. |
If you're talking about artificial cloning wasn't there some North Korean scientist who claims to have done it?
Presumably when you clone someone God will put a soul in its body.
Posted: 1/1/2006 7:40:31 PM
|No human has ever been cloned, but animals have. If one wants to argue that animals have no soul then my question is moot. It does seem that cloning is very possible with humans but the question of morality holds back advancement. |
Hypothetically speaking, if we could clone a human, would this human have a chance at heaven ? Is this human doomed because he/she was created by man, not God ?
I don't believe those claims can be substantiated.
Posted: 1/1/2006 7:41:41 PM
Presumably when you clone someone God will put a soul in its body.
Now that's just silly.
Posted: 1/1/2006 8:37:25 PM
|Well, the whole concept of a soul is silly to begin with. Why is it you can hit someone in the head with a hammer and it effects their soul (amnesia, loss of higher functions, personality changes, etc) but hitting them in the foot doesn't?|
Posted: 1/1/2006 9:09:54 PM
|Twins aren't clones. They are different. If they were clones they would have the same finerprints but they do not. Each twin will have a different set of fingerprints making them individuals in a world that sees them merely as "clones"|
Posted: 1/1/2006 9:15:43 PM
|As far as I know fingerprints aren't genetic. They're an environmental effect. I could be wrong though.|
Posted: 1/1/2006 9:18:42 PM
|are you trying to tell me that the environment makes our fingerprints. That makes absoultely no sense. The environment affects them if say we get our finger slit open and there is a huge scar. i'm pretty sure they are genetics. And even if they aren't genetics what we think and feel aren't genetics and twins don't think and feel the same things at the same time. In my opinion twins are not clones.|
Posted: 1/1/2006 9:55:40 PM
|Cloning isn't something new. It happens in our body evey day with the cells going through mitosis and meiosis.|
Posted: 1/1/2006 10:28:30 PM
Apparently fingerprints are determined by environmental effects in the womb. Twins have identical DNA.
Posted: 1/2/2006 12:18:18 AM
|I personally am somewhat curious as to what the moral issue is with cloning. |
Some say it is acting like gods, but from my perspective, short of taking some dirt and creating a man from it, we are not being god, we are testing the limits of what science can accomplish.
Some say that it would lead to a Gattaca type of world, where we genetically engineer our young and the freebirths would be scorned. I'm not entirely sure this would be completely bad. In our PC culture I think the belittlement of freebirths would be no different than discrimination now, and a culture composed mostly of stronger, healthier, smarter, and more agile humans would lead to some great benefits.
Some say that we would be creating a human without a soul, but what do we really know about souls? Its purely conjecture! Who is to say that a baby born without love isn't born without a soul? Or maybe testube babies are soulless creatures...
This great reluctance to fund genetic research could be holding back many wonderful advancements in medicine. What exactly is the source of this reluctance?
Posted: 1/2/2006 8:17:32 AM
|God has already challenged us in cloning by creating Jesus, where no egg is involved. |
Posted: 1/2/2006 10:53:13 AM
|No sperm you mean. Mary had tons of eggs. (she had overies and I presume she had a period) And how is that a challenge in cloning? He didn't clone Mary, Joseph, or himself. Heck, to claim he cloned himself means that God has DNA. If God has DNA, god isn't a God, but a physical being which means he can die. Choose your worse carefully.|
Posted: 1/2/2006 11:48:22 AM
|" ...a culture composed mostly of stronger, healthier, smarter, and more agile humans would lead to some great benefits."|
ha! What would Hitler "clones" do with these superbeings? This is one example of reluctance ... man's inability to control the technology as an "advancement".
Posted: 1/2/2006 2:21:49 PM
|Cloning is cool and stem cell research rocks and nature vs nurture prevails and what the hell are people so afraid of??|
Posted: 1/2/2006 3:34:53 PM
|Cloning is no different form conception except it is on a much smaller scale. God breathes life into everything that lives at that point he places a soul in them as to stem cell research as long as they don't have to kill a baby to do it I'm good with it. They can retrieve stem cells from the umbilical cord.|
Posted: 1/2/2006 5:34:57 PM
No sperm you mean. Mary had tons of eggs. (she had overies and I presume she had a period) And how is that a challenge in cloning? He didn't clone Mary, Joseph, or himself. Heck, to claim he cloned himself means that God has DNA. If God has DNA, god isn't a God, but a physical being which means he can die. Choose your worse carefully.
Yep. With no SPERM involved. Considering the fact that Jesus is just a human and not God. The actual God up there, ignoring the concept of trinity, created Jesus without any sperm invovled, which challenges today's science.
Posted: 1/2/2006 6:13:23 PM
actually I've read research that indicates it may actually be possible to inseminate a human egg with another human egg.
An interesting thing to think about.
Sperms lack the substance to substitute for an egg but eggs have all the material necissary for either role.
Posted: 1/2/2006 10:46:54 PM
|Yep. Oh and just so you all know, twins don't have identical fingerprints. My mother is a twin and her sister and herself don't have the same fingerprints.|
Posted: 1/2/2006 10:52:52 PM
|My brother and I are Mirror image twins we are exact opposites but we do have the same DNA and fingerprints he is left handed I am right , his hair parts to one side my the other just like a mirror it is second rarest only to conjoined twins|
Posted: 1/2/2006 11:04:02 PM
|Actually there is a real concern with human cloning. Unless we can do the process perfectly we risk making humans with birth defects. OTOH, there's no need to clone humans. There is a need to clone human body parts though.|
Posted: 1/2/2006 11:57:11 PM
|The only problem I have with cloning is the use of human embyro/fetal material, that I think reduces humans to raw meat for the use of....|
Posted: 1/3/2006 2:09:24 AM
|A human being is nothing when it is born including clones and including Jesus. We become divine through choice.|
Posted: 1/3/2006 2:17:23 AM
A human being is nothing when it is born including clones and including Jesus. We become divine through choice.