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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/2/2006 7:43:12 PM | There seems to be some here that really don't understand where some of that follow a path of Paganism come from. They take there knowledge from old Fairy Tales and what I feel are Mistranslations in the Bible.
So I borrowed some text from another site to better explain. I ask for input from others on what they believe.
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A Witch is not some one who moves objects just by thought, stops time, or turns people into toads.
A Witch does not, and will never sacrifice animals, babies, or anything else in a "dark" sabbath.
A Witch does not have wild drunken orgies in the middle of the night nor have sex with "Satan"
A Witch is not out to bring upon the destruction of the United States, or any other country, for that matter.
A Witch is not an "ugly old hag" who derives pleasure from hexing or hurting others.
And finally, a Witch does not worship "Lucifer" or any other "devil" that you can think of.
Witches are regular people like everybody else, we laugh, we cry, we feel pain and pleasure just like any other human being. What sets us apart is that we understand that we are all connected, derived from the same Source*, and that we must be responsible for our own actions.
We know that what we do will affect everybody and everything, like a ripple on water, and so we dedicate our efforts to cause only good and promote healing for every being.
We respect and venerate the Earth, as our Mother, and follow the cycles of the seasons, to celebrate and give thanks for what we have.
The Moon, our guiding light at night, reminds us that like the seasons, we too go through many transformations; birth, life, death and rebirth, and that what time we have in this present life, will affect our many other lives to come.
Most witches do not believe in the concept of "heaven" or "hell". Some of us believe that after the lessons of life are learned, our soul or essence, or what ever you you wish to call it, will return back to the "Source", to add to the knowledge and experiences that are stored within.
If our soul wishes to come back to the physical world, then we can re-incarnate, to learn new lessons, or learn the lessons we missed in a previous life. But what ever our believes may be, Witches, like ordinary people, only want to pursue their dreams and create a better life for themselves and those around them.
As far as Deities are concerned, many Witches believe that the Source is comprised of two opposites, the Male and Female energies, merged in perfect harmony.
Source:http://home.earthlink.net/~magickats/what.html | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/2/2006 8:22:19 PM | I can agree with some of things you have said
But witchcraft is exactly the same as other religions
Black Witchcraft exists
There is no doubt about that whatsoever
Blood Sacrifice was often, and still is often used even in White Witchcraft
Wicca as a lifestyle does have many good points, but it is not all 'Fuzzy Wuzzy" type stuff
In saying that I am not bagging the New Fuzzy Wuzzy craze, simply reminding you that that is just one small part of something much larger
The Power that is out there can be tapped fairly easily, but it can also have very severe consequences if not done correctly
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/2/2006 8:30:33 PM | First off I am not sure where you saw the word Wicca in there, I must have missed it.
There are always going to be bad seeds in anything and I don't deny a Negative energy. Yet the definition is for what most of us are practicing.
Third I really resent the whole attitude of "fuzzy wuzzy". I take my spiritual path very seriously it is not a stuffed animal that I cuddle up with at night. It is something that I put time and energy into studying and also into how I approach my life here on Mother Earth.
As with all things there are consequences to all our actions. | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/2/2006 9:28:14 PM | Ok I will withdraw the Wicca
Even though most Witches, in the category you were describing, seem to think that they are a part of Wicca
As far as the Fuzzy Wuzzy bit goes, that was simply my way of describing the latest trends in Witchcraft, which seem to ignore the many other facets of this very diverse "religion'
It was by no means derogatory, but seems to describe this harmless aspect of Witchcraft very well
""There are always going to be bad seeds in anything and I don't deny a Negative energy. Yet the definition is for what most of us are practicing""
This is a typical response to something by most religions
There is absolutely no need to get defensive, but you are only dealing with very basic White Witchcraft
This type of White Witchcraft, is something usually very pleasant, and with very limited powers, and also very limited side effects
To believe that "Yet the definition is for what most of us are practicing" is jumping to conclusions simply because most other forms of withcraft are ignored by those enjoying basic White Magic
Your Topic was 'What is a Witch" and you gave a typical description of a typical White Witch
but ignored the huge number of other types of Witch
I started to give a tiny insight into the huge number of other varities of Witches and was immediately blasted for doing so
To even pretend that White Witchcraft; usually of American Indian/Celtic origin, is the beginning and end of Witchcraft is a huge mistake
It is wonderful that you enjoy your style of Witchcraft
It is great that you study and learn from it
But do not forget that there are a vast number of other types of Witches
Some of whom are extremely different
Some with powers beyond belief to those involved solely in your style
To investigate some of the African/Haitian/Asian/Egyptian/Aboriginee forms of Witchcraft, would open your eyes to what is actually out there
Some will entrall you, some will scare you; some will make you question everything you have ever believed
But to investigate them is very neccessary even to become a good White Witch
Do so with an open mind
You may be suprised at the results
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Posted: 1/2/2006 9:42:45 PM | I get so riled up about things like this on such a regular basis, but tonight is different. Tonight I simply don't have the energy to care as much as I normally would.
Suffice it to say that there is malcontent in ALL forms of religion and spirituality, not just those of pagan origins.
Pagans ARE ordinary people (although I know that you were not trying to say they weren't)
There is no black or white magic, it is not on a colour spectrum. Those are simply terms put to use for magic, much like good and evil in christianity.
There are those who would attempt to use magic for personal gain, to hurt another in some means - but they are simply not following the rules.
A witch is a person who believes in the mother-goddess, and perhaps other deities as well. Someone who knows the meaning and purpose of an athame, who knows a good deal about herbs and their healing properties (afterall, how else do we conjure those spells everyone is so worried about)...
*sigh*
A witch is a person, not unlike a Christian is a person...both capable of wrong, both capable of 'evil'...both having a moral obligation to do right by themselves and others instead of wrong - both with free will. | |
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Posted: 1/2/2006 9:53:07 PM | I'm sorry if you felt blasted, the only thing I found fault with was the Fuzzy Wuzzy comment.
I have looked into the other brands of witchcraft, because as you say it is always wise to know.
And maybe I should have been clearer,with my title as to show that this is my defination of what I am doing on my religious path. As are many outside of the Voodoo Hoodoo type religions.
Most of the Pagans you talk to in this day and age (sorry haven't talked to any africans or Voodoo Priestess) will tell you that we believe in the Law of 3. That anything you do to another will come back on you threefold. | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/3/2006 12:02:45 AM | Good post, SFL. I agree on most (of course not all, right?) of what you've got there, but I just can't help myself. Big thing is, and is borne out by later posts, I see, that this goes for a great many witches, but not all. I don't mean to argue, but here are some points that could stand to be elaborated.
*I've known people who stopped clocks using witchcraft, and I've also known witches who couldn't help doing so (powerful personal magnetic field, is my guess). You've a point that it's not a general thing associated with all witches, but this is the tone on all of my points.
*Some of your "Satanic witches" will actually make blood and animal sacrifices.
*No argument whatsoever on the "sex with Satan" gig, but I've been present for some drunken orgies with some really groovy witches. Here's the point, though; It wasn't religious or part of a ritual! That's for those who plan on reading this wrong. Again, witches are people, too, and I've known some funky ones who threw great parties, but it's not a prerequisite for (or even associated with) the religion.
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What sets us apart is that we understand that we are all connected, derived from the same Source*, and that we must be responsible for our own actions.
On the surface, this might seem to encompass all naturalistic, earth-based spiritual paths. I think one of the things missed (and that, probably on accident) is more the form of expression these understandings take for the witch.
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As far as Deities are concerned, many Witches believe that the Source is comprised of two opposites, the Male and Female energies, merged in perfect harmony.
I also feel a need to amplify this one, in that, witchcraft, as practiced by a great number of the witches I've known (and with whom I've practiced in the past), recognises specific faces of these aspects of deity, as represented by the myriad gods and goddesses of the world.
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But witchcraft is exactly the same as other religions
I felt like amplifying on everybody's. "Exactly the same" is bull. I know that's not what was meant, but for the sorts of folks that would have needed the clarification in the OP, it's also important that we don't diminish or marginalise any path by lumping them all into the same mold. In general, there are equivalencies, particularly as pertains to underlying ethical and moral standards, but they are most emphatically not all the same. The continued explanation that was given, while it doesn't quite touch on the original assertion, is incredibly valid; there are "rotten apples" in any bunch. The important thing is we don't let those spoil for us the actuality and validity of any path.
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Ok I will withdraw the Wicca
I don't think that's necessary. Honestly, while I agree that SFL's post was specifically in relation to just "Witches," to exclude Wiccans (or any New Age practitioner who chooses to use the title) would be to force the question, "to what style of witch/to which path are you referring?" From there it gets ugly, merely for the divisiveness of the argument. I fully accept and endorse most of the information and all of the spirit of the OP, but, honestly, I think it ought to be accepted as extending to Wiccans, as well. Otherwise, really good points, Longte.
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There is no black or white magic, it is not on a colour spectrum. Those are simply terms put to use for magic, much like good and evil in christianity.
Nicely said, Lady-Fair. Sometimes we lose sight of the "spectrum" of colour that makes the world so amazing when we try to look at things in black and white.
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As are many outside of the Voodoo Hoodoo type religions.
My turn to get offended (as proxy)? "Voodoo Hoodoo?" Bollocks. Makes it sound like you're not taking them very seriously. Not trying to bite anyone's head off (not my style, anyway), but taking umbrage at one person's inadequate personal definition, then applying one? Just a thing, says the mirror. Just a thing. | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/3/2006 1:51:58 AM | Welcome Feral
I feel the Hoodoo Voodoo was probably in response to Fuzzy Wuzzy, and it does seem like a very simple descriptive term, that is actually fairly accurate, for the uninitiated
I have no problem with it at all, as it does start to convey some aspects that are missing when every different type of Witchcraft is listed as an unintelligible list of foreign names
""A witch is a person who believes in the mother-goddess, and perhaps other deities as well. Someone who knows the meaning and purpose of an athame, who knows a good deal about herbs and their healing properties (afterall, how else do we conjure those spells everyone is so worried about)...""
This is a good description of only one type of Witch
Now I realise that this type of Witch is popular at the moment, but to talk only of this style is ignoring too many others
The dangers associated with so-called White Witchcraft [for want of a better term] are very limited in their scope
When other Gods/Practices are involved, both the psychological and physical danger can increase immensely
Even in the various forms of Voodoo Hoodoo there are both "Good" and "Bad" practices
We hear more of the negative, or 'Bad' practices simply because they make better news copy
For Example
If an Aboriginal "Kadaichi Man" sic, {as there are many spellings} points the bone and someone dies, that is a news story
But when the same man guides his tribe easily through everyday life, it is not worth commenting on
Both things are important, but only one is spectacular
Now the same man can do, and does do both
So here we have one person effectively using both "Good and Bad" forces
What does that make him??
We cannot say he is a totally good man; or can we??
He will do as his forebears instructed
He will do things for the good of the tribe
Very occassionally that may mean someone will die
So we cannot say he is a totally bad man either
You will find them traced back over 15,000 years, and possibly up to 30,000 years ago, so
their knowledge far exceeds anything we play with
Yet they would fit very well into the Voodoo Hoodoo category
We need some way of describing the various forms as Black and White, Good and Bad etc
But most older forms were definitely various shades of Grey
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/3/2006 1:58:38 AM | | A witch is someone who is against God. We should pray for them and not burn them. | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/3/2006 2:17:43 AM | Ray669
That is a totally uneducated thing to say
Witchcraft relies on the practioner being "in phase" with their Gods
Both Modern and Ancient Witchcraft are very heavily involved with Gods
If you are only meaning the Christian God, please investigate the similarities between him, and many other Gods, and most Witchcraft
There are far too many similarities/associations to be discounted arbitrarily
Religion is not simply the Christian Churches
An Open mind, is a Healthy mind
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Posted: 1/3/2006 2:33:30 AM | Seriouslyfunnylady, I do appreciate this description. It's absolutely beautiful. Reading what you've written makes me want to look into witchcraft.
I don't think a southern baptist will like this, tho, whether you're a good witch or a bad witch.
It yure agin' gawd, yure agin' me!
Thanks for the thread, it's a pretty good way to be looking at things this new year.  | |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:57:06 AM | *I've known people who stopped clocks using witchcraft, and I've also known witches who couldn't help doing so (powerful personal magnetic field, is my guess). You've a point that it's not a general thing associated with all witches, but this is the tone on all of my points.
I personally don't know people that can do this, have read about it, and for many it isn't a Pagan thing, can also be related to Christians. And I really don't understand how they do it, other then very strong magnetic forces within their own bodies.
*Some of your "Satanic witches" will actually make blood and animal sacrifices
One must believe in Satan to believe in Satanic witches and from what I have read this makes them Warlocks and not witches.
*No argument whatsoever on the "sex with Satan" gig, but I've been present for some drunken orgies with some really groovy witches. Here's the point, though; It wasn't religious or part of a ritual! That's for those who plan on reading this wrong. Again, witches are people, too, and I've known some funky ones who threw great parties, but it's not a prerequisite for (or even associated with) the religion.
I wanna go.
As for him withdrawing the wicca thing, you need to read the first couple of posts where he lumped it all under wicca, and I asked him where he saw that in the OP...so he withdrew it as a classification for all witchcraft in what he termed Fuzzy Wuzzy.
My turn to get offended (as proxy)? "Voodoo Hoodoo?" Bollocks. Makes it sound like you're not taking them very seriously. Not trying to bite anyone's head off (not my style, anyway), but taking umbrage at one person's inadequate personal definition, then applying one? Just a thing, says the mirror. Just a thing.
It was not a slam please read below.
hoo·doo (hd)
n. pl. hoo·doos
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a. Magic healing and control, especially in African-based folk medicine in the United States and the Caribbean. Also called conjure.
b. A practitioner of hoodoo.
2. Voodoo.
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a. Bad luck.
b. One that brings bad luck.
4. Geology A column of eccentrically shaped rock, produced by differential weathering.
tr.v. hoo·dooed, hoo·doo·ing, hoo·doos
1. To practice hoodoo on; affect with a charm or curse.
2. To bring bad luck to.
Also if you notice the OP I did quote the source of my material, and of course I didn't copy the whole thing, I left it up to those that were interested to read the rest of it.
As for the many dietys they were mentioned in the regular article but I choose to leave them out, as I didnt' want to get into a discussion of the God/dess' themselves but more about what Pagans are trying to accomplish. | |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 8:29:44 AM | I'm coming to realize that ignorance is in fact quite far from bliss. Ignorance and fear are the reasons why non- Christian religions are so...shunned by a good many Christians.
Ray up there is talking about witches as being people who are against God.
I do ask, how is it possible to be against something you do not necessarily believe in?
A Christian who does not believe in the Goddess Bast - is not against her, simply because he does not believe in her and her ability. He/She is simply following their chosen path and there is nothing wrong with this.
Yes, there are those who would use magick in a bad way, just as there are those Christians who would use their religion as a front to do evil. Ie - priests molesting/raping little children (how closer to evil can we get?)
Just because a few christian priests F'd up doesn't mean I'm totally opposed to Christianity, I just don't believe in it, as they do not believe in my religion (save the pagan/christian hybrid).
There are things in this world in which we do not understand.
I have a huge problem with becoming dizzy and having vertigo spells, how is it that in those moments my cat Ozzie decides to jump up into my arms and after a few moments I am not nearly as dizzy as in the moments before? Is it magick, a form of psychic awareness, or pure coincidence? I don't know...just that it happens.
To be redundant, I personally (as a witch) am not against God....I just don't believe in the God you're talking about.
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/3/2006 12:35:07 PM | To clarify:
A Witch practices the Craft (and there are several versions of it)
Wicca is a faith. Not all Wiccans are Witches, and vice versa.
I happen to be both. | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/3/2006 6:21:07 PM |
A witch is someone who is against God. We should pray for them and not burn them.
Ray I am really sorry you feel that way, and I have to wonder, if you took the time to read the OP or if you just responded to the title of the thread with a closed mind. | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/3/2006 9:38:26 PM |
A witch is someone who is against God. We should pray for them and not burn them.
Sorry, but that is just ridiculous. 
Witches devote thier lives to becoming close to the divine & the nature that he/she created. Witches are certainly not against God....he/she may have different names, but it is all the same creator that we serve. We just have a different path towards the light. | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/4/2006 1:33:35 AM |
I feel the Hoodoo Voodoo was probably in response to Fuzzy Wuzzy, and it does seem like a very simple descriptive term, that is actually fairly accurate, for the uninitiated
Fair enough. I read it out of phase, I guess. Rather than noting the accuracy that is there, I saw it more as the simplified throwaway diminutive that far too many people might use in denigration of the vast variety of other traditions out there. My bad.
We need some way of describing the various forms as Black and White, Good and Bad etc
But most older forms were definitely various shades of Grey
As for the rest of the post, while a really good example and argument for the non-dualistic nature of most Pagan paths, and Witchcraft in particular, I think we might be getting away from the central point here. Even in "White Witchcraft," which is most emphatically not what I would consider SFL's tradition (from what I gather, it's "green" Witchcraft with kitchen traditionalism thrown in), there are those "grey" areas. The most "Fuzzy Wuzzy" aspect of Wicca is the delineation of Witchcraft along colour lines to attempt to denote moral stances which, in most of my experience, are entirely irrelevant in any case.
A witch is someone who is against God. We should pray for them and not burn them.
Okay, so now that I've read the article on the other end of the link, I don't feel like a hypocrite saying this: Ray, follow the link, read the article, revise your statement. If you still feel this is accurate, all I can say is you're not really thinking about it.
Religion is not simply the Christian Churches
An Open mind, is a Healthy mind
Okay, so Longte beat me to it. Still, read the article.
It yure agin' gawd, yure agin' me!
Not to derail the topic, but I enjoy pointing out that even saying this makes one "agin' gawd."
One must believe in Satan to believe in Satanic witches and from what I have read this makes them Warlocks and not witches.
The issue here is that there is a difference between "Witch" and "Wiccan," as well as a distinction between "Witch" and "Satanist." One important point to keep in mind is that it's only in the last twenty to thirty years that the term "witch" even could be used in a way to denote religious stance. The thing is that a witch is a practitioner of magic within a given religious tradition (actually, I think this is where we wind up really getting into Longte's "shades of grey" in that the differences in meaning - what is meant versus what is understood to be meant; it just gets messy). At any rate, there are Wiccan witches (who, for the most part simply identify themselves as one or the other and take it for granted that the terms can be used interchangeably - and truly they can, in that tradition and its context), and there are Satanic Witches (again, the terms are mostly defined by the practitioners themselves, but there are those who follow the path of Satanism without use of magic, as well as those who truly use witchcraft in service to their religion). Side note: the term "warlock" is actually derived from a Welsh (if I remember correctly) word, werlag meaning "oathbreaker." This actually makes the term "warlock" one to denote someone who's basically an a$$ as far as anyone's concerned. It honestly has no connection to witches or witchcraft beyond some fairy tale traditional associations used in the US.
As for him withdrawing the wicca thing, you need to read the first couple of posts where he lumped it all under wicca, and I asked him where he saw that in the OP...so he withdrew it as a classification for all witchcraft in what he termed Fuzzy Wuzzy.
Yeah, I'm going to let that one go, since I got confused and read it way differently than how you took it. Same with the "Hoodoo" part.
As for the many dietys they were mentioned in the regular article but I choose to leave them out, as I didnt' want to get into a discussion of the God/dess' themselves but more about what Pagans are trying to accomplish.
Good point, and I'm behind you on that one. I would like to point out (yet again - 'cause I'm a jerk like that) that now we're talking Pagans in general. Not trying to be critical, but I'm hoping you see what I'm getting at with the at times apparent interchangeability of a great number of these terms. Unfortunately, I'm afraid that, at least for myself, I'm going to have to fall back on my own experience and personal definitions of each of the terms, since I'm not aware of any recent Webster's that quite deals with all of the connotations and intricacies of how the terms relate.
Ignorance and fear are the reasons why non- Christian religions are so...shunned by a good many Christians.
And, sadly, in many cases, vice versa.
I do ask, how is it possible to be against something you do not necessarily believe in?
T'cha.
Wicca is a faith. Not all Wiccans are Witches, and vice versa.
Oh, sure, Blonde, beat me to the punch. Eh, I'll leave mine, too. Nice to have you with us. | |
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Posted: 1/4/2006 6:04:12 AM | My statement:
As for the many dietys they were mentioned in the regular article but I choose to leave them out, as I didnt' want to get into a discussion of the God/dess' themselves but more about what Pagans are trying to accomplish.
Feral's response:
Good point, and I'm behind you on that one. I would like to point out (yet again - 'cause I'm a jerk like that) that now we're talking Pagans in general. Not trying to be critical, but I'm hoping you see what I'm getting at with the at times apparent interchangeability of a great number of these terms. Unfortunately, I'm afraid that, at least for myself, I'm going to have to fall back on my own experience and personal definitions of each of the terms, since I'm not aware of any recent Webster's that quite deals with all of the connotations and intricacies of how the terms relate.
I started the thread because I wanted some on here to have a better understanding of what my understanding of the modern day witch is. It wasn't ment to single out Wicca but more as a gereralization of Paganism in modern day society. As I have said before not all Pagans are Wiccan, but all Wiccan's are Pagan.....just as not all Christians are Baptist, but all Baptists are Pagan.
As a matter of fact when I was looking for a good definition I came across a site talking about being a Christian Witch or a Pagan/Christian. But I felt if I used that in here it would have caused arguements instead of a good discussion and I would be blamed for starting a Flame thread.
Most that have studied their craft are well aware of the backlash that magic can have, in regards to messing with someone's free will. Love potions directed specifically at someone, that kind of thing. Again I am not talking about the teenager that has not studied and really is just dabbling while they find their way. I am also not talking about the black arts (for lack of a better term)
We as humans feel the need to label ourselves and others, unfortunately if not everyone understands the label we have chosen we risk misunderstandings.
As for the term Warlock, I could very well be wrong I did find an interesting article about it, if you care to persue it.
http://www.ladyoftheearth.com/witch/warlock.txt
Yet we all know how the meaning of words can change....shall we bring up the word *gay*?(and that is only in reference to the ability of words to change meaning) | |
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Posted: 1/4/2006 6:28:31 AM | As stated early on, "If our soul wishes to come back to the physical world, then we can re-incarnate, to learn new lessons, or learn the lessons we missed in a previous life. But what ever our believes may be, Witches, like ordinary people, only want to pursue their dreams and create a better life for themselves and those around them."
I concur. Have never doubted reincarnation and my lot in life has been to bring Joy to others yet in a sarcastic kinda way.
As for wishy washy, all is grey anyway. I have both feet planted in Christianity, but one hand turns the pages of "other" thoughts, and the other hand plays eany meany miney mo.
As a Christian, I am clearly wishy washy, aka open minded. But then, aren't most of us?
And dude: I was in the Baptist church most of my life, of my own choice. Going to church on Sunday morning never stopped me from dancing on Saturday nite.
I concentrate hard and make things happen (mustaches wiggling and such). Do these things make me a bit witchy?
Some might think it is me (witchily) making the doorbells in my life ring (but, alas, not - it's someone on the other side). Does inviting the dead into my life make me non Christian like?
Can one be a witch and not know it?
And, by the way, I like your reference to 'Gay'.
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Posted: 1/4/2006 6:38:33 AM | Ashley,
Not in any atempt to convert you or lure you away from Christianity < that is my disclaimer before I start.
Have you looked into Pagan/Christianity.
One of the wonderful things about Paganism is that you really don't have to give up your beliefs in Jesus, or God, yet get more intune with some of the more natural aspects of our life here on this planet.
There is no one saying to be Pagan you have to follow this doctrine or that, nor is there a sacred book that condemns other paths.
You will always find people that might be that way, yet it is not what Paganism is about. | |
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Posted: 1/4/2006 7:17:18 AM | Hi SFL,
Am in the process of reading a book on Peganism, which, this one anyway, seems to have a minor dislike of Christians - partaining to incidents that happened hundreds of years ago.
Understandable, as early Christians were more into pushing their religious beliefs down others throats.
Probably not the best choice of books, so I'm reading with an open mind that the author is a bit jaded. I am learning some of the concepts, at least an overview.
Thank God for half price bookstores! Can read to my heart's content.
PS: SFL, your son can claim his mother is a 'witch' and mine can say his "mother wears combat boots". Quite a pair aren't we? | |
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Posted: 1/4/2006 7:40:14 AM | Ashley, I am not going to deny that there are those out there that want to bring up the burning times, and to hark back to things done during Biblical times. Of course this is always a good arguement when being told that we are evil and going to hell.
Now here is another side of the coin and one of the reasons that there are Pagans that go the other way.
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Christians pray to counter 'Pagan Pride Day'
San Diego's famous Balboa Park hosting event today
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Posted: September 17, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
Christians in San Diego are being summoned for "emergency" prayer and fasting to counter the "Pagan Pride" event scheduled for today in the seaside city.
The third annual event, titled San Diego for Pagan Pride 2005, aims to "foster pride in pagan identity through education, activism, charity and community."
But San Diegan James Hartline distributed an e-mail warning Christians that the "activities of Pagan Pride are so vile, that this notice could not reveal everything in one writing that they do. Extreme witchcraft, curses, demonic rituals, sacrificial altars and occultism are just some of the highlighted events occurring at Pagan Pride."
Hartline notes Pagan Pride will take place in the city's famous Balboa Park, which attracts thousands of tourists to its features, including the San Diego Zoo.
"Hundreds of pagans, witches, warlocks, wiccans, psychics and black magic practitioners are all marching on the park for their demonic festival," he said.
Modern-day paganism is a collection of beliefs embracing many movements and traditions, including Wicca, New Age Mysticism, American Indian practices, tarot readings and Buddhism.
Last year, there were at least 70 pagan pride events in 36 states. The first Pagan Pride Day was held in Indianapolis in 1998
Pagans in New Port Richey, Fla., who plan to hold their event Sept. 25, say they're tired of being labeled as devil worshippers who sacrifice animals under a full moon.
"People think paganism is evil," said Robert Crom, 25, local coordinator of Pasco Pagan Pride Day. "Some people, especially among mainstream religions, feel threatened by us."
The daylong activities in the Florida town – including music, pagan worship and public education – are expected to draw at least 100 devotees. | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/4/2006 10:38:14 AM |
We just have a different path towards the light.
Brilliant! I love that comment!
Great thread SFL. I am envious of the experiences that you and Feral have had. I would love to hear a couple anecdotes from you two about what magic you have seen in action. Fascinating stuff! | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/4/2006 10:51:16 AM | A witch is a fallen angel, the angels have powers and they are suppose to use these powers to help god for the better.
But the angels are/were caughtup in to the way this world is getting things for thier own profit, decieving, steeling, hurting and thats what makes them fallen Angels and useing the powers for evil they are witches.
In the Bible God says he will make those that didn't believe(Fallen) bow before you and thats when the Angels are awake, they were asleep(Fallen). | |
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| What is a witch?
Posted: 1/4/2006 11:01:19 AM | Norman,
I am glad you are enjoying the Thread, sometimes it is fun to relate what has happened through magic or ceremonies, yet I find a lot of times to try and tell it on a thread comes across as ghost stories too easily mocked.
Linderstreet,
you are certainly entitled to your opinions, I would really like to know where you got your information that witches are fallen angels. Please don't answer from the Bible, I would like to know *where* in the bible.
I also am not sure if you are saying witches are Liars, thiefs and murderers. Could you please clarify? | |
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