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Posted: 1/5/2006 5:49:19 PM | A clip from http://www.mt.net/~watcher/
" [The] ancient deity Baal was lord of war and of the sky. Many titles were given to Baal by adding endings to his name. Some examples found in scripture are Baalhazor "Lord of the Fortresses", Baalbamoth = Lord of the high places, Baalzebub = Lord of those who fly, or, flit. Zebub is a Hebrew verb which means to flit from place to place , having been popularly translated as "Lord of the Flies" it is more properly rendered "Lord of Those Things that Fly". Baal is identified as Satan by Jesus himself, Matt.10:25 Mark.3:22 Luke 11:15.
Paul says we wrestle not with flesh and blood, but with principalities and powers, with spirits in high places, literally, "in the heavens" "in the aerial regions" Eph.6:12. Hence Satan is called "the prince of the Power of the Air" "the prince of the aerial host" Eph.2:2. Imagine the confederation of rebellious angels seated in the atmospheric heaven in the spaces above and around our planet. This fundamental of scripture contradicts many traditional concepts of "hell" as the domain of the devil and his minions... the popular notion of "satan ruling the underworld" is not found in the Bible. King David realized the "sons of the mighty" inhabited the sky:
For who in the sky (the atmosphere),
shall be ranked with Jehovah,
who among the sons of the mighty
is like Jehovah? Psalm 89:6 "
See the rest at:
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Posted: 1/5/2006 7:20:15 PM | Thanks truthseeker... I just got your message and looked at the site, it is very interesting and I'll study it in detail. Some of the stuff I wasn't aware of at all!
Time has caught up with me right now.
Thanks again! | |
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Posted: 1/5/2006 10:49:32 PM | Have you ever noticed how words and symbols seem to change meaning over time.
Christianity adopted the cross, (granted it should have been expected considering J.C supposedly died on one)
Hitler adopted a lovely little symbol of faith and totally corrupted it for his own intents and purposes.
Cool, used to mean "not nice" and now it means "neato"
Sweet used to be a term used to describe tastes in food, now it doubles as a term for "cool"
Sick used to mean ill, but now it's some wierd way of saying cool in snowboarder language.
"Going Skiing"
"Going Snowboarding" are not only things done on a moutain but in the confines of ones living room using various illicit drugs.
Meanings Change, things change.... | |
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Posted: 1/7/2006 1:28:03 AM | Have you ever noticed how words and symbols seem to change meaning over time.
Yes, take the word "heaven" for instance.
Whilst I acknowledge that it’s possible that there are other dimensions of existence, whether we can go there is open to speculation or question. Believe it or not, the idea of a vague 'spiritual' realm of existence where we can go after death does not come from the Bible itself.
In the NT “heaven” means above, as in authority, it does not mean sitting on clouds playing harps or anything like that. Rev 1:6 “And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father…..”
The Bible says that Satan is in authority over this world though obviously, he’s not in the dwelling place of God.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” – means heaven places in the Greek.
In the Bible it says that the “heavens of the heavens” cannot contain God and what this is actually saying is that the sky of the sky i.e. outer space, cannot contain God and so God cannot live in a temple literally.
In the OT “heaven” literally meant the sky, so when "God" came down from the sky it was the angels.
In other words, what was has been taken as “God” is extra terrestrial beings who supposedly represent God.
Now with that in mind let’s read Psalm 89:6 from several translations.
http://bible.cc/psalms/89-6.htm
For who in the skies can be compared to Yahweh? Who among the sons of the heavenly beings is like Yahweh, (WEB)
For who in the skies can be compared unto Jehovah? Who among the sons of the mighty is like unto Jehovah, (ASV)
For who in the heaven can be compared to Jehovah? who among the sons of the mighty shall be likened to Jehovah? (DBY)
For who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD? who among the sons of the mighty can be likened unto the LORD? (KJV)
For who in the heaven can be compared to the LORD? who among the sons of the mighty can be likened to the LORD? (WBS)
For who in the skies can be compared unto the LORD, who among the sons of might can be likened unto the LORD, (JPS)
Anyone see what I see?
“Who among the sons of the heavenly beings is like Yahweh” ?
So was the person who called himself Yahweh, the invisible God himself or one of the “heavenly beings”?
People presume the former yet the Bible shows that God Himself is invisible and over and over it shows that it was angel creatures who came from “heaven” – from the sky.
So if God Himself is invisible, who did Moses get the ten commandments from when he went up the mountain?
The Bible clearly answers this. It was not the God who the heavens of the heavens cannot contain who Moses met in person but rather the Mosaic law came through the angels.
Acts 7:53 “you who have received the law that was put into effect through angels…”
Similar at Gal 3:19
“The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator.“
But note Gal 3:20
“A [the] mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one.
Although the Bible is about God, the above and many other things show that it’s about extra terrestrial beings [plural] who came from the sky or “heaven.”
Of course, religion tells us otherwise but this is why the Hebrew word such as Elohim (and its variants) which is translated as “God” is plural - it actually represents a plurality of beings.
The churches say that plural Elohim is because of a Trinity Godhead (which BTW the Bible does not teach before translation, nor does it really teach this after translation) and the Jews say that it is to do with God’s majesty, so which is it?
Or is it the plurality because this is about more than one being?
We are told that God is good yet what does it say at Genesis 3:22 ?
“And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.”
The word “knowing” there has a meaning of having experience rather than simply knowing about good and evil.
So amongst these who are translated as “God” are some who “know” (have experience with) good and there are some who also “know” (have experience with) evil.
The Bible says that the true God is love and this is what I believe myself. Jesus said that we should put away the sword and forgive our enemies and back in Bible times his true followers didn’t wage physical warfare, nor do true followers of Christ wage warfare today with guns or bombs or missiles.
Yet what do we see in the OT? A mixture of things, on the one hand there are some very good laws which are based on love and fairness, yet there are also seems to be some which are cruel. We also read about the one God (or gods, it’s the same word Elohim when referring to gods) who called himself Yahweh, who was very warlike and vengeful.
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| The Bible, angels, demons, UFOs, aliens
Posted: 1/10/2006 5:51:04 PM |
The Bible says that the true God is love and this is what I believe myself. Jesus said that we should put away the sword and forgive our enemies and back in Bible times his true followers didn’t wage physical warfare, nor do true followers of Christ wage warfare today with guns or bombs or missiles.
Yet what do we see in the OT? A mixture of things, on the one hand there are some very good laws which are based on love and fairness, yet there are also seems to be some which are cruel. We also read about the one God (or gods, it’s the same word Elohim when referring to gods) who called himself Yahweh, who was very warlike and vengeful.
My beef exactly TruthSeeker!
Though the laws were somewhat more horrific than just cruel in my opinion. | |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 6:52:45 AM | I haven't read the website link but will, thanks ...
We are told that God is good yet what does it say at Genesis 3:22 ?
“And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.”
The word “knowing” there has a meaning of having experience rather than simply knowing about good and evil.
My understanding of this is that Lucifer was cast out of "heaven" to the "ground" with a multitude of angels with him. Lucifer was "created" beautiful, wise and was cast out due to the corruption of "pride". On the "ground" he encountered Adam/Eve who ruled (granted dominion over the earth=good) but through the deception of this wise, pride filled angel, mankind (Adam/Eve) gave their dominion and authority over the earth to Lucifer. Man has now experienced the decision/act of the loss of exclusive dominion and authority over the earth and now "battles" against entities/principalities who maintain dominion over the earth/man=evil. Rather a simplistic interpretation .... | |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 7:32:13 AM | | sorry ... hate writing .... the knowing/experience good/evil referred to .... both Lucifer (created -super angel) and man (created - super human) both loss intimacy/"walk"/with God (experience of good) due to the corruption of pride (experience of evil). Am I way off base .....?? | |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 8:38:47 AM | Wow this makes sense now why the angel was delayed in preventing the message of Yahweh being delivered to Daniel in a timely fashion. This battle was fought in the air!!! I never realized that till now.
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Posted: 1/11/2006 9:44:38 AM | | Are you referring to the messangers battle with the "Prince of Persia"? Sounds like an earthly name to me? Could the Prince of Persia be the heavenly prince/being of the earthly prinicipality/government? | |
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Posted: 1/11/2006 9:46:54 AM | Yes, I believe that is the reference however, Michael the archangel ended up helping in the battle. And yes it does sound like a hevenly prince of an earthly principality/government.
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| The Bible, angels, demons, UFOs, aliens
Posted: 1/11/2006 10:16:03 AM | A clip from http://www.mt.net/~watcher/
" [The] ancient deity Baal was lord of war and of the sky. Many titles were given to Baal by adding endings to his name. Some examples found in scripture are Baalhazor "Lord of the Fortresses", Baalbamoth = Lord of the high places, Baalzebub = Lord of those who fly, or, flit. Zebub is a Hebrew verb which means to flit from place to place , having been popularly translated as "Lord of the Flies" it is more properly rendered "Lord of Those Things that Fly". Baal is identified as Satan by Jesus himself, Matt.10:25 Mark.3:22 Luke 11:15.
Paul says we wrestle not with flesh and blood, but with principalities and powers, with spirits in high places, literally, "in the heavens" "in the aerial regions" Eph.6:12. Hence Satan is called "the prince of the Power of the Air" "the prince of the aerial host" Eph.2:2. Imagine the confederation of rebellious angels seated in the atmospheric heaven in the spaces above and around our planet. This fundamental of scripture contradicts many traditional concepts of "hell" as the domain of the devil and his minions... the popular notion of "satan ruling the underworld" is not found in the Bible. King David realized the "sons of the mighty" inhabited the sky:
For who in the sky (the atmosphere),
shall be ranked with Jehovah,
who among the sons of the mighty
is like Jehovah? Psalm 89:6 "
See the rest at:
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/
Your whole post doesn't really give a sense of direction of the thread, but here is something to ponder. There is a book called "Abduction: Human Encounters with Aliens" written by John Mack (a psychologist who was a professor at Harvard)
In Macks book he cites that most UFO experts theorize that, Aliens and UFO's appeared and conformed to the Aestheics of that time period. For example, in ancient Egypt you wouldn't see a huge flying disc. You would see a chariot flying through the sky or a flaming bird in the sky. Over the years the Aesthetics have changed, in modern times one would see a flying disc as opposed to a chariot on fire. | |
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Posted: 1/9/2007 8:51:58 AM | In Macks book he cites that most UFO experts theorize that, Aliens and UFO's appeared and conformed to the aetheics of that time period. For example, in ancient Egypt you wouldn't see a huge flying disc. You would see a chariot flying through the sky or a flaming bird in the sky. Over the years the Aesthetics have changed, in modern times one would see a flying disc as opposed to a chariot on fire.
He has it partially correct at least, if I understand the full context of what he's saying. It's actually the demons or fallen angels that manifest in these various ways according to time period. If he's suggesting that actual beings from other planets (ETs) are doing this, then I would say false. If it's true that ETs are in communication with government officials and the like, apparently a strong message they tend to convey is that Jesus and God does not exist. This would support the idea that they were in reality demons and/or fallen angels. I say "and/or" because theologians differ on whether or not they are one and the same. In other words, A fallen angel may actually be different than a demon, but both are agents of Satan. | |
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Posted: 1/9/2007 11:24:48 AM | Actually Beelzebub is a corruption of Bahal Sahib and was not seen as 'Lord of things that fly' but rather as of 'flies' the insect. Quite a difference.
There is some truth here though......the Bible is quite explicit on beings from elsewhere and always calls them by the same term in the Old Testament: the Sons of God.
Of course, the New Testament uses this term to for a certain individual who also 'came from elsewhere' - ie was not born.
Interestingly, it is a little known fact that the Bible unequivocally equates Jesus and Lucifer in several places. | |
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Posted: 1/9/2007 9:42:38 PM | "The] ancient deity Baal was lord of war and of the sky. Many titles were given to Baal by adding endings to his name."
Actually, Baal simply meant Lord, so there were many many Baals, be they various gods, divinities, or even people. | |
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Posted: 1/9/2007 10:57:11 PM | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baal
Ba'al's were in fact the many sons of the prolific Caananite Bull God EL...who counted among his children, shock of shocks, a certain god of the mountain that later on went on to get awful "mono" in his theism...after the divorce from Ashara...it was ugly... | |
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Posted: 1/11/2007 11:55:38 AM | I read that Beelzebub was the "lord of the flies" as he was an unimportant god, the jews have deemed that about him, however Beelzebub was a Philistine god, and the jews and Philistines where rivals, therefore that term has no credibility behind it as it was propaganda meant to insult the Philistines.
I think we have been visited before, but the bible has little to do with it. Somewhere in the Milky Way is a planet from whence these little green men (probably related to humans, but evolution gave them there form, probably a lower gravity environment due to there apparent relative frailty) came, what incentive would they have to visit a planet (assuming there at 10x the speed of light while in space) that simply can't offer them anything? And how are they going to break down the language barriers between an evolved civilization and one very primitive? How long are these extraterrestrials, no matter what form they may come in, going to study us then return to there families? Some of the philosophies in the bible seem a bit unsound to come from such a spiecies, then again no ones perfect, even if you can navigate at unbelievably astronomical speeds throught this star and asteroid dense galaxy.
Whatever you do DON'T touch the hull of a flying saucer, at those speeds alot of heat is bound to gather, and with an inexhaustable energy source (IE: one that recycles itself, nullifying the need to refuel) probably motion and heat based (maybe why they spin?) please don't go near anything ultra-bright, probably only robot's are allowed in the engine room as life is unsustainable near something that can power something at those speeds for the rest of infinity. | |
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Posted: 1/11/2007 12:14:46 PM | ...
I can't tell if you're joking or not. Perpetual motion? Faster-than-light travel? I don't know what to say, seeing as how my ansswer would vary trememndously depending on how serious you were.
Anyway, back to the point about Philistine gods:
Hebrews are not the first people to cast rival gods as demons: it happened all the time, and still happens to this day through much of the world. One of the best ways in the old days to see who's nation was superior was to have your reatest champion fight theirs: since it was really the Gods who did the fighting. If your God was mightier, your hero would triumph. It happened at Ilium, and in Canaan, and though I can't think of other examples off the top of my head, there are doubtless many, many more. Whether it was propaganda or not depends on which side you root for. =P | |
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Posted: 1/11/2007 12:47:17 PM | | The Book of Genesis in the Bible explicitly states that a race of non-humans inter-bred with humans... clearly these were probably ETS........did I mention that? | |
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Posted: 1/11/2007 5:09:02 PM | The Book of Genesis in the Bible explicitly states that a race of non-humans interbred with humans... clearly these were probably ETS........did I mention that?
I wouldn't say it was that clear. Some scholars believe the 'Sons of God' were those from the Godly line of Seth, and that since 'all' man was/is subject to atonement, there could not be half-men half-demons because the sins of demons cannot be atoned for. However, some bible scholars believe the 'Sons of God' were fallen angels. In the book of Job it makes mention of 'The Sons of God' presenting themselves before God as well as Satan.
If the Sons of God and modern day aliens are fallen angels/demons, then more than likely they took on an entirely different appearance. Aliens are tiny and spindley. The Sons of God were probably very large as it mentions in Genesis there being giants at that time. The children that came forth from the Sons of God and daughters of men became the 'men of renown'. It's not likely they looked like half bug-eyed little creatures. | |
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Posted: 1/12/2007 6:01:26 PM | Read your bible. check Psalm 22. Written by King David (genalogical father of Jesus) It depicts the crucifition even though wasn't even employed by the Babilonians or Romans.
Hitler used propaganda, which very powerful to this day. | |
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Posted: 1/12/2007 8:25:51 PM | Ah yes...propaganda... funny you should mention that.
If you repeat a LIE often enough it becomes the truth.
Why is it that Christian translators selectively translate the Hebrew word ka'ari as "pierce" in verse 17 of the 22nd Psalm as "they pierced my hands and my feet" but everywhere else in the Bible where it is mentioned...and it is mentioned some number of times, where it is translated CORRECTLY as the definite article "like a lion" but here alone it is translated pierced????
I will tell you.
It is to paint Christology into the words of the Psalmist.
How do you do that? How do you just up and change it? Especially when, as you show as the translator that you CORRECTLY KNOW THE MEANING EVERYWHERE ELSE??
As Rabbi Singer said, "If you go changing the word of God like this, you know I am going to leave skid marks!"
So much for propaganda.
And don't get started on the geneaology...that's an even dumber kettle of gefilte.
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/faq057.html
http://www.outreachjudaism.org/like-a-lion.html
Now back to your regularly scheduled episode of The Outer Limits  | |
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