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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/24/2006 12:11:51 AM | I believe in God, Jesus and what the Bible teaches. I don't know much about the Bible yet because I'm fairly new to my belief. Here is something to think about if you don't believe in God. It's either something a person can accept or not but the one thing i don't understand is "WHAT HARM CAN COME OUT OF IT IF YOU DO ACCEPT IT??? WHAT HARM CAN POSSIBLY COME FROM BEING GUIDED BY INSTRUCTION OF THE BIBLE??? It's like this, someone offers you something useful that you can use in ur life (ie TV, computer, etc.) and you don't accept the offer......but he tells you that if you don't take it, then he is only going to throw it away. What is the harm in taking something useful that you could use?? or maybe even someone you know can use?? What is truth?? Truth comes from the heart, and not from the knowledge. I admit that I'm not a smart person when it comes to knowledge. For being 23 I can say that I am very wise only because of what I have learned from the Bible(and I say that humbly because I'm still foolish in my ways). For the people who don't believe in God, I would just like to know why they don't believe in God.......what reason do they have not to believe in God??
This is how I first understood that God existed>>>>I saw how perfect this world is and how complex everything is in life...so complex that even the people in this world can't even figure everything out about it..........This is how I learned to believe in God>>>>>Once i accepted that he did exist, I then learned the truth about what is written in the Bible and I saw how it applied to my life...............and everyone elses lives. I understand when people say they don't want to accept truth, because I was one of those people. Everybody has their own choice, but I can honestly say that i'm glad I made the right choice. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/24/2006 4:13:05 AM | I don't believe in GOD because I can't believe in GOD. By the same token I can't disbelieve GOD either.
Faith is a foreign concept to me and it isn't how I function. Your faith is a useful tool for you, thats great. I do not need what that tool offers. I have no use for it whatsoever and it is incompatible with my way of life. What to you would be a great tool being offered for free, to me is more like a giant paper mache ball that would take up half the space in my living room for no discernable reason being offered. I have no need of it and it would only get in the way so I do not take it.
Stepping away from the analogy let me try something else. I have spent the better part of my life seeking out delusions that I learned/was taught as a child. I am constantly finding new ones and testing them for veracity. Most get discarded, some transition from delusions to facts. I am constantly finding new delusions. A delusion is any thought or idea that I believe/believed without knowing truly why or knowing for sure if it was true. The more of these I find, the more accurately I feel I can live my life, and the more free to think clearly and openly. To accept GOD would be a step backwards in this respect.
Another reason I do not have the desire to accept GOD is it limits my imagination. I can speculate more freely about the nature of the universe if I am not trying to live by a doctrine that was told to me by someone else.
Religion is a great boon for many people, but it is not a boon to all people. Please try to understand this for your sake, and the sake of those around you. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/24/2006 6:19:47 AM | What harm can come of it? Imagine standing there in front of God on Judgement Day and having to say, "Wow, you're real. I just prayed because I figured, 'What the hell'."
As to the teachings in the Bible... let me get this concept into your head:
The belief in a Higher Being is in no way, shape, or form a prerequisite for seeking Wisdom.
I am not Japanese... yet I set out to read, and understood, the Art of War and the wisdom it contained. I am not Greek, nor was I alive during his time, but I read Plato to gain understanding. Why is it that people call themselves Christians simply because they read the St. James Bible? It's just a book. Granted, a book with a great deal of Wisdom in it, but a book none-the-less. It was not written by any God, but by men. And notice the word was mEn, not mAn. The stories therein came from multiple sources. This does not equate to proof that any God exists. Therefore, the belief in God and the utilization of the Bible for Wisdom are NOT a necessary combination.
Next point: "I am very wise" + "Humble" do not a solvable problem make.
You then end your post with "Everyone has THEIR own choice, but I made the right choice."
Take this to heart: Until God comes down out of Heavan and says, "Moreno1982, congratulations! You figured me out." you are NOT any more right than anyone else. The whole point of having Faith is believing in something. If that something were set in stone... guess what? It becomes FACT. Big difference. One cannot have Faith without at least acknowledging the chance that someone else could be right. For all we know, Existence came into being from some giant accident, or by the Will of the Great Cosmic Hamster.
I don't care one way or the other whether or not YOU believe in God. As you said, everyone has their own choice to make. But remember this: The first and deadliest of Sins is Pride. The idea that you're more right than anyone else is an assumption based on the writtings of men, not the voice of any God. And that, my friend, is Pride talking. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/24/2006 7:45:09 AM |
WHAT HARM CAN COME OUT OF IT IF YOU DO ACCEPT IT?
My intellectual integrity can come to harm, for one thing. There is no direct evidence for god, whereas there are theories which explain things far better, more rationally, and which have predictive power. There are unexplained things, and we may or may not understand them at some point, but there is no need to invoke god to explain them. Besides, any moral or ethical principles can be derived from mutual benefit, psychology, and biology - in fact, they have, and someone codified them and tried to add force to the ideas by invoking god. Not necessary, but perhaps helpful.
Also, invoking god has no explanatory power, really. If you claim that all things must be created, for example, then what craeted god? The explanation for reality as we know it is then only pushed back one step, and the search for understanding is wrongly stopped at the point where the non-explanation of god is invoked.
Finally, as a Buddhist/Taoist, I recognize a spiritual component of humanity that those religions address beautifully, while still being fully in accord with any scientific ideas. Those religions embrace knowledge and questioning rather than denying the fruits of human endeavor. Those religions also do not have a god or gods - we are all an intimate part of a greater reality, so there is no distinction between us and that. Those religions focus on helping people achieve a direct realization of this through the path to enlightenment. | |
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| Harm caused by religion
Posted: 1/24/2006 9:48:32 AM | God and the belief in god has actually shown to benefit a person...longer life, confidence, healing quicker etc.
Problems begin in believing in a particular religion to a zealot frenzy of sorts. Religion in general especially the fundamental christian faith the ultimate prejudice behavior. They are the chosen who will go to heaven and everyone else is going to hell...the pagens, the homosexuals etc. It feeds ego it does not promote love. More people have died in the name god then for any other reason.
God is good but organized religion scares me. | |
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| Harm caused by religion
Posted: 1/24/2006 9:48:46 AM | God and the belief in god has actually shown to benefit a person...longer life, confidence, healing quicker etc.
Problems begin in believing in a particular religion to a zealot frenzy of sorts. Religion in general especially the fundamental christian faith the ultimate prejudice behavior. They are the chosen who will go to heaven and everyone else is going to hell...the pagens, the homosexuals etc. It feeds ego it does not promote love. More people have died in the name god then for any other reason.
God is good but organized religion scares me. | |
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| Harm caused by religion
Posted: 1/24/2006 9:49:18 AM | God and the belief in god has actually shown to benefit a person...longer life, confidence, healing quicker etc.
Problems begin in believing in a particular religion to a zealot frenzy of sorts. Religion in general especially the fundamental christian faith the promote very prejudice behavior. They are the chosen who will go to heaven and everyone else is going to hell...the pagens, the homosexuals etc. It feeds ego it does not promote love. More people have died in the name god then for any other reason.
God is good but organized religion scares me. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/24/2006 10:02:34 AM |
What harm can come of it? Imagine standing there in front of God on Judgement Day and having to say, "Wow, you're real. I just prayed because I figured, 'What the hell'."
That's not beleiving..which is the entire point of faith. That is just "covering your ass INCASE it's true in the end". Definately not something I'd do. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/24/2006 11:38:34 AM | | OK I think I wrote that differently than what I actually meant. It's hard to express what I actually mean sometimes when I'm typing. I never meant to imply "Why not just accept him for a free ride?" What I mean is "Why not put your FAITH in God??? What do you have to lose to live your life according to what the Bible teaches??? I have only read a small amount of the Bible but so far from what I have read, nothing but GOOD instruction. This is also another reason that makes me believe in God; not only the perfection of this complex world, but the perfection in the Bible. It's not a question of whether who the Bible was wrote by or whether it is a true story because I want to exclude those topics because I know that that's a topic on it's own. I'm just talking about all the GOOD instruction, for example, committing fornication (sex before marriage) is against what the Bible teaches. Drugs, alcohol, laziness, etc... and their effects. It talks about how to sustain in a marriage, how to love, it talks about all the things all of us have which we have to be able to discard such as hate, envy/jealousy, pride, boasting. There are people in this world that like these things, but what does it do for you?? It makes you feel better?? All of us in this world have at least one of those qualities about us but most of us don't care if we have it. So why don't we care if we know it is important in our lives?? | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/24/2006 11:50:47 AM | "What harm can come of it?"
Are you serious?
The way God is expressed in the Bible condemns the human race to death... in case you do not know life is a sentence of death without immortality. The sickness of this is paranoia; we are under man's control here on earth, not God's. How many millions of deaths have there been in Holy Wars? | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/24/2006 12:03:20 PM | Moreno..it depends on how you look at the Bible I suspect.
What I mean is "Why not put your FAITH in God??? What do you have to lose to live your life according to what the Bible teaches??? I have only read a small amount of the Bible but so far from what I have read, nothing but GOOD instruction.
Alot of people, myself included...feel you lose alot of freewill when following the Bible. You are made to feel like a bad person if you partake of sex before marriage. Whats so wrong with sharing physical love with someone who's heart intertwines with yours? You shouldnt do drugs. Ok..good rule to live by..but if I smoke a joint..I don't need others telling me that I'm backslidding". I don't want to be made to feel like I need to be in church every sunday...or I'm a "bad christian". I want to go to the bars, nightclubs, and strip clubs with my friends and not have to "explain my actions", to anyone. I am an adult. I don't answer to my Mother, so I sure as hell am not going to answer to a church...or a God that I don't beleive exsists. Especially not to just "walk on the safe side".
That's where the "Why not" for me...becomes a "hell no". And Im sure others feel the same way. The bible teaches alot of good things...don't get me wrong. Morals, values, etc. But those can be obtained from other religions, through mentors, your family, upbringing, etc. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/24/2006 12:10:07 PM | I want to go to the bars, nightclubs, and strip clubs with my friends and not have to "explain my actions", to anyone. I am an adult. I don't answer to my Mother, so I sure as hell am not going to answer to a church...
After having seen my neices grow up doing exactly what you want to do and battling with their mother (my sister) and then becoming mothers themselves, I have to say that one day Sweet you are in many ways going to be like your mother...Life is cruel...haha..oh the irony!! | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/24/2006 12:13:09 PM |
After having seen my neices grow up doing exactly what you want to do and battling with their mother (my sister) and then becoming mothers themselves, I have to say that one day Sweet you are in many ways going to be like your mother...Life is cruel...haha..oh the irony!!
Actually..I don't battle with my Mother. I have a great relationship with her, we are good friends. I moved home purposely to take care of her because she's ill. And ahhh another point..I have no intentions of having kids..no desire to be a Mother here | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/24/2006 1:03:04 PM | First of all, being worried that your intellectual integrity would come of harm is summed up into one word---PRIDE; Something we all have, and that's understandable. OK there is no DIRECT evidence perhaps, but will there ever be?? Ok as i said in an earlier thread, I don't want to talk about how old the Bible is or if the stories are true because those are individual topics on their own and I don't have a lot of knowledge of the Bible. Throughout the Bible, there are HINTS that explain different things in this world......
Fact: A man has one less rib bone than a woman
Biblical: Woman was created from the rib of Man; the story of Adam and Eve.
Scientific explanation: ?? I don't know, maybe someone can inform me on that one
Fact: There are about 4000 different languages spoken in this world
Biblical: The Tower of Babel; people spoke the same language and wanted to discover who God was; long story short God implimented different languages so they couldn't work together
Scientific explanation: ?? I don't know, maybe someone can inform me on that one
Fact: There is no other lifeforms in this universe or any other.( I state this as a fact because neither I nor YOU have witnessed such......therefore it can be stated as a fact
Biblical: God created only the lifeforms on this Earth
Scientific explanation: There are other lifeforms throughout the universe.
My question about this is "where are they"? Out of the millions of people in this world.....only very few witnessed some sighting of it? U see, people like to decieve others...they like to look more intelligent or superior than others; it's human nature. Do you believe in levatation??haha...if you do, you would think that those people would be locked up and researched of this abnormal behaviour:P Anyways, I'm getting a little off topic:D
Fact: People NATURALLY go against the story of the Bible...make fun of religion or reject it
Biblical: The Bible explains how and why they do that....and they will continue to do that
Scientific explanation: ?? I don't know, maybe someone can inform me on that one
One thing I know is that I follow my heart and what it tells me. As I said before, I don't know much about the Bible which is why I had trouble coming up with that last couple of points and so it's probably not as clear; so i'm not looking to get bashed because I don't know much:P But there are many more examples. Nevertheless, as i said previously, it's a choice in this world. I chose my way, and everyone else chooses their way. If there is the slightest bit of truth in the Bible, then why not give it the benefit of the doubt that it is ALL true????? | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/24/2006 1:13:01 PM | Dear god girl these were stories made up to answer questions that man could not answer. There is very little historical evidence to back up many of the biblical fables.
Believe whatever you like. You can look for truth in where ever you choose if it makes you feel happy. Just dont go trying to push your truth on other people. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/24/2006 1:34:20 PM |
Dear god girl these were stories made up to answer questions that man could not answer. There is very little historical evidence to back up many of the biblical fables.
Believe whatever you like. You can look for truth in where ever you choose if it makes you feel happy. Just dont go trying to push your truth on other people
Ermmm who was that directed towards? | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/24/2006 1:42:16 PM | Sweet,
Yeah I understand your view completely BUT obviously I still have something to object about it:P. I was with my gf for about 3 years, and we didn't do anything sexual for the time we were together. I'm happy that we both made that choice, because now we are not together anymore. I couldn't imagine unintentionally having a child with her.........and not being able to sustain in a relationship. We would be one more statistic added to this country for being separated parents......and i'm not saying that it can't happen if you are married, because it still can, but it definately beats the odds of when you get older and mature. And even if we were sexually active, who is to say she would get pregnant?? You know that's true, but WHY NOT do things the right way???
What's so wrong with sharing physical love with someone whose heart intertwines with yours?? The majority of CHILDREN are having sexual relations at the age of 15 on average. That is not called love, that is called infatuation. And there is no such thing as a "bad christian", just an "unbelieving christian".
Drugs: What do they do for a person?? You think they make you happy and of course they do........TEMPORARILY. It's not so much that drugs are "bad"...because people take prescribed drugs and those are just as "bad" , no???? It's the "desire" to have them or want them in your life. The "desire" is something we should control for everything we do. Put it this way, when you go to a club, it is very hard to say that you are not going to drink tonite especially when so many people around you are drinking. :P unless you have no money of course.
Think about when you are 80 years old and in a wheel chair and can't move from that chair. You can't have sex, you cant do drugs, you can't enjoy yourself in the things you wanna do. All you can do is think.......if you can even do that. So then, if the purpose of life is to enjoy yourself when you are young......what is the purpose of life when you are 80 years old and in that wheelchair?? cuz you may still have 30 years of living after that.
You don't believe in God to just "walk on the safe side"....because from what I know, God already knows the hearts of people anyway, so you can't fake anything. I believe in God because of the LITTLE truth in this world that is proven, and so that's why i believe in the BIG truth. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/24/2006 1:46:21 PM | Fact: A man has one less rib bone than a woman
Biblical: Woman was created from the rib of Man; the story of Adam and Eve.
Scientific explanation:
The story was made after the facts.
Fact: There are about 4000 different languages spoken in this world
Biblical: The Tower of Babel; people spoke the same language and wanted to discover who God was; long story short God implimented different languages so they couldn't work together
Scientific explanation:
Geography.........you don't travel much do you?
Fact: There is no other lifeforms in this universe or any other.( I state this as a fact because neither I nor YOU have witnessed such......therefore it can be stated as a fact
Biblical: God created only the lifeforms on this Earth
Scientific explanation:
Spores have been found on metors, which come from other planets
Fact: People NATURALLY go against the story of the Bible...make fun of religion or reject it
Biblical: The Bible explains how and why they do that....and they will continue to do that
Scientific explanation:
Some people can not accept the BS and they will say so.
As realthing stated they are just stories. The real question is why do so many take them as truth?
Edit: ah gee, Late you beat me to it. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/24/2006 1:54:53 PM | Moreno...
Yeah I understand your view completely BUT obviously I still have something to object about it
Awesome...because now I have a few things to say LOL
I was with my gf for about 3 years, and we didn't do anything sexual for the time we were together. I'm happy that we both made that choice, because now we are not together anymore. I couldn't imagine unintentionally having a child with her.........and not being able to sustain in a relationship. We would be one more statistic added to this country for being separated parents......and i'm not saying that it can't happen if you are married, because it still can, but it definately beats the odds of when you get older and mature.
Birth control and condoms. No, nothing is fool proof. But if you are mature enough to have sex, be mature enough to have sex the right way.
And even if we were sexually active, who is to say she would get pregnant?? You know that's true, but WHY NOT do things the right way???
Again... the "right way" is subjective. What is right for you, may not be right for the next person.
The majority of CHILDREN are having sexual relations at the age of 15 on average.
And that's sad. But there is a thing called parental responsiblity to teach your children the dangers and consequences of sex. Now, having said that..everyone has their own choices to make. A parent can steer their child in the right direction, but ultimately it's the childs choice. Unfortunately some need to learn harder lessons along the way than others.
Drugs: What do they do for a person?? You think they make you happy and of course they do........TEMPORARIL
Again...I won't knock someone for doing drugs. It's not my business to concern myself with.
Put it this way, when you go to a club, it is very hard to say that you are not going to drink tonite especially when so many people around you are drinking. :P unless you have no money of course
No..when I go..I drink LOL And it's not from pressure to do so..it's because I enjoy it.
Think about when you are 80 years old and in a wheel chair and can't move from that chair. You can't have sex, you cant do drugs, you can't enjoy yourself in the things you wanna do. All you can do is think.......if you can even do that
I don't see how that pertains to the subject. One can have a wonderfully enjoyable life at 25 as they can at 80..with or without alcohol...or whatever.
I believe in God because of the LITTLE truth in this world that is proven, and so that's why i believe in the BIG truth.
That's great...obviously the path you are on works for you, and I won't take that away from you. However, it doesn't mean your path will work for others.
My point is..I was raised in the church I know how it operates..it operates highly on guilt. And I'm not about that. I'm not about being controlled by anyone. Like I said earlier..I don't let me own mother control my actions...why would I allow an institution to do so? Or some words written in a book? It's just not going to happen. The path that I am on now is a wonderful one. Im the happiest I've ever been and feel I've found what works for me. | |
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| What reason do you have NOT to believe in God???
Posted: 1/24/2006 1:56:57 PM | Real
You are exactly right about that REAL, about being answers to questions that man could not answer. But then........now it all boils down to when the Bible was formed. Technology has improved increasingly and STILL people cannot answer those questions. So how did they know back then when the Bible was written about dinosaurs roaming the earth?? Yet man has only recently figured it out. That little bit of truth is what changes my thinking.
That's right......you are exactly right.......and I'm not pushing the truth on other people, because I know how that feels; once again, I hated when people came to my door and began talking to me about things I didn't want to hear about. I just wanted to know the reasons what people have to offer why not to believe in God. I accept these answers because I want to get to know more about people who are out there, what they have to say and their ways of thinking....I do not disagree with anyones opinions, I just make points of discussion. 2 years ago, I thought the same way, and now I think differently. I accept peoples beliefs just as I hope people would accept my beliefs. | |
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