| Is feminism sexism?
Posted: 1/22/2005 3:56:49 PM | I've heard several "feminists" insist that they are all for equality and that is what the "fight" is all about. I've participated in equality rallies, dealing with ballance of power, yet I have never seen them in Fathers Rights rallies, what gives? What do you think? Am I off base or is "feminism"="machoism" just the other gender? | |
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| Is feminism sexism?
Posted: 1/22/2005 4:12:49 PM | | You're absolutely right man. Once someone gains a power that they have faught for they then start to over use it, and start using it to compete. | |
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| Is feminism sexism?
Posted: 1/22/2005 6:45:24 PM | Sexism is the beliefs and practices of a sexist. A sexist (in America) is that gender which gains un-earned benefits in society by just being a male.
Feminism is the beliefs and practices of a feminist. A feminist (in America) is that gender which loses benefits in society by just being a female.
Father's Rights rallies are a "backlash". | |
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| Is feminism sexism?
Posted: 1/22/2005 7:18:38 PM | feminism is sexism if it's sexism.
Some women (and men) are feminists and they call themselves that, and they work towards equality and respect.
Some women are sexists, and they call themselves (and maybe see themselves as) feminists, and they work towards denigrating men and lowering mutual respect amongst the sexes.
What some people fail to realize is that we should attain equality by raising women up, and not bringing men down. These are the fem-nazis. | |
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| Is feminism sexism?
Posted: 1/22/2005 8:24:26 PM | | Feminism is solving the problem, while sexism is blaming men for it. | |
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| Is feminism sexism?
Posted: 1/22/2005 8:38:13 PM | | If there is one term that makes my blood boil, it's "feminazi." C'mon guys, the Nazis espoused a sick, vicious, racist philosophy that resulted in a brutal war and the deaths of millions, and the suffering of millions more. How can you trivialize that by tossing the term around to describe us uppity women? | |
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| Is feminism sexism?
Posted: 1/22/2005 9:09:27 PM | Shore
Cuz it is an easy way out......
Sure way to get women riled up instead of just sitting down and discussing what the problem is... | |
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| Is feminism sexism?
Posted: 1/22/2005 9:10:16 PM | | I agree the equation of nazism with sexism is grossly lopsided and untrue. Then again, I also think that for men contemplating a world where women have turned aginst them, that is also the threat of millions of lives ruined. Your boiling blood is evidence of the effectiveness of political terms chosen for emotional effect. Such terms hook you into an idea to think about it! | |
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| Is feminism sexism?
Posted: 1/22/2005 9:15:01 PM | squeak, I think it's apparent that my post was in no way an attempt to rile up the women, nor to trivialize anything.
Perhaps I should have labeled it fem-fascism. However, the fact remains that that many so called feminists are actually motivated by hate. The parallel is not that absurd. The thing with the nazis is that good people stood by and let them visit evil on so many people. Nazis may have been successful, but the fact remains they were driven by hate, and used distorted facts to justify their beliefs. | |
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| Is feminism sexism?
Posted: 1/22/2005 9:17:25 PM | And believe me squeak, I don't need an easy way out of any discussion. I can reason with the best of them, and sometimes win.
Dont hate. | |
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| Is feminism sexism?
Posted: 1/22/2005 9:23:34 PM | I consider myself to be a human and a woman...no more, no less
The truest ideals of the feminist movement have been mutilated by hatred as you state...
but as a species, we had better get it together and realize we are not two separate entities but rather two forms of the same animal. Male and female were not meant to be opposites...but rather two facets of the same diamond.
Squeak | |
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| Is feminism sexism?
Posted: 1/22/2005 9:28:38 PM | Squeak, that is the sort of reasoned post that has consistently garnered my respect for you.
Cheers | |
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| Is feminism sexism?
Posted: 1/22/2005 10:45:27 PM | | My point was that you trivialize the true evil that was the Nazis, as well as the sufferings of all of theiir victims. | |
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| Is feminism sexism?
Posted: 1/22/2005 11:06:28 PM | oldsole, "millions of lives ruined"? By what? It's only been 85 years since women in the USA got the right to vote, and we still don't have anywhere near a propotionate number of elected officials. We are not running the country, nor are we running big business. Do you imagine that when that day comes, if it ever does, that we are going to round men up and gas them in concentration camps?
"I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is. I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat or a prostitute"
Rebecca West | |
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| Is feminism sexism?
Posted: 1/22/2005 11:30:16 PM | | my ex was a feminism and its pain in the ass! i hate people who want to take sides and fight! why cant they just live a normal life! sexism and feminism are both same sh*t that i cant stand! where is the love ya? | |
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| Is feminism sexism?
Posted: 1/23/2005 2:45:15 PM | To me, feminism is about women getting the vote, being paid equal wages as men are, getting the same jobs men have etc......
Equality is important but the feminist's focus is on women. Women being equal with men.
I don't think that this means that they think Fathers' Rights are wrong---- it just means that they are completely separate causes with a different focus.
(I'm sure that there are LOTS of men at the Fathers' rallies who believe that women should get equal pay etc.....) | |
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| Is feminism sexism?
Posted: 1/23/2005 3:34:45 PM | God isn't the one you cut down - I am...
I believe in a God...but I also believe in a Goddess BTW...why should God be alone? Besides, ifn it was just a male entity, he would made the world different....which is totally off subject here...hehe. My calling me a goddess was more a joke...except in my little world... | |
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| Is feminism sexism?
Posted: 1/23/2005 11:13:21 PM | Has this ever happened to you? A little story to add to the fire..lol
I was dating a femnazi..(I like that term, because it shows how ideas can be used to empower for the wrong reasons)..for 3 years, but could not convince her that she was infact terribly sexist. She made statements like of course men should go to jail if they threten a woman but a woman should not be charged with assult because she can't harm the man in the same magnatude...I was helping with women's rights events because the premise seems ok, but she did not help me with men's right issues... she said she was afraid that someone (other femnazis) might see her and it would be taken out of context and would hurt her credibility. I had genuine fun with helping out with both organizations, and they are the same just opposite genders, However to say that feminism is equality, well I beg to differ. I think we all see the painful gains that women have had to fight to get, a share in the power that runs the place. We, in Canada even had a twit to lead the cuntry for a minute till she opened her mouth and lambasted the Pope, among others, and down she fell in record time... good lesson for her. Thatcher on the other hand, did what was needed at the time, she held fast to the pressure of trade unions and beat them, thus saving the country. Even the late queen E1 was a role model for the women of the day (no not qe2 she is a prat). But some femnazis belive that women are capable of anything a man can do and are to be treated equally at all costs. I feel that there is natural diffrences like the fact that we are all created with female brains but when gender differientiation takes place our male brains have some links burned out so that we tend to separate and think logically and are better able to navigate spaces. That is fact not fiction, but it is not taught out of fear. Where as women have the ability to comunicate on several levels at once with more that one recipient. All while absorbing the multilevel informational signals back. There is a reason why the post menopausal Native American women were highly praised and infact ran the councils. They knew far better how to run the day to day, where as the men would go out and plan for the seasons hunt. Both are extreamely important but diffrent. We are still diffrent just a bit more afraid to admit it. You ever wonder why they (the media) kept up about the heros of 911 and how so many men lost their lives helping others? Because it was men. We will do the right thing in the end because we are able to devote our energy to one purpose and beyond chance, miracals happen through (in part the Grace of God) sheer determination. sorry rambling...lol
one more story if you guys want... in a few days. | |
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| Is feminism sexism?
Posted: 1/24/2005 8:34:03 AM | | ^^^you are cordially invited to bend over and kiss this "uppity" woman's @ss. if you were female and had to put up with all that condescension on a daily basis you might have a different attitude. want to talk about 911? there were a LOT of female medics and firefighters who were killed that day, not just men, including the WOMAN who was new york's paramedic of the year that year. as a female paramedic, who can do my job as well as my male partners, and can carry my share of the weight, i resent your comments. | |
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| Is feminism sexism?
Posted: 1/24/2005 9:10:29 AM | gawd, i love that invite, now i have to clean up all the coffee off the keyboard and the screen.
I am all for equal rights. One thing that has not been discussed here is affirmative action.
Consider government contracts.
In order to be "truly equal" the federal and state, and in some cases larger cities (dallas being one) a minority, be it woman, black, hispanic, pacific islander, eskimo, or indian can bid on a contract for goods and services for 5% higher that the lowest bid, and be awarded the contract.
If I'm selling comuters for example to the school district in dallas, and my bid is 1000.00 each,
a MBE/WBE can bid 1050.00 and sell the computers to the district.
This doesn't sound like much but consider they purchase over 3,000 computers per year.
the American Airlines Center in dallas cost 420 million, 50% paid by public funds, (240 million) had set aside contracts where 45% of construction (108 million) specifically for MBE/WBE contracts. NOT lowest cost. An independant accounting firms audit showed that the cost was over bid on these contracts by 45 million, and the cost over runs cost taxpayers another 42 million.
2 contracts had to be voided after initial payments of 10 million and 20 million were made because of shoddy workmanship and one instance, substandard wiring had to removed and replaced, resulting in another 8 million cost overrun.
The result? A positive vote to continue with the "Historically Under Utilized Business" program.
(shakes head, my tax dollars hard at work) | |
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| Is feminism sexism?
Posted: 1/24/2005 9:13:56 AM | | Takes both men and women to run this ol world.....we may have different skills but come on, not all women have one and all men another...attributes are distributed within the species...when one has to jump on the differences like 2cheeky did, I sense resentment. I say that attitude earns him the name Mascunazi.... | |
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| Is feminism sexism?
Posted: 1/24/2005 9:39:58 AM | first
Woman should be able to make same wages as men. Get same vote, get same opportunity as man does in every thing.
That being said, I have lived what the femenist movement (it may not have been by plan) has done. There is a perception that men ALWAYS dont pay child support. This is not true
I got laid off. At the time my support was 830 a month. My ex would not sign it down. I was required to pay 830 a month when i brought in only 1200.
when I finally got enough money to see a lawyer. He said that the my judge would not sign it down. I went to the child support monitoring office and they said they could not help me. (they can however help her to increase it.) During that time I paid an average of 500 a month. when the arrearage past 5000 they tried to throw me in jail.
My point is, the feminist movement has a lot of nice goals. But, it has taken things too far in some areas. | |
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| Is feminism sexism?
Posted: 1/24/2005 9:46:02 AM | SirT
I am sorry to hear how the court system crapped on you...this does not happen all the time...my Goddess, how the hell did that get set so high? My ex paid me $105 for 3 kids for over 6 years and still fell behind...but anyway...welcome to POF...we can use all the sexy men we can get, y'all... | |
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