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| [locked] Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt [CLOSED]
Posted: 3/3/2006 7:12:30 AM | Canada allows the cruel killing of seal pups for their pelts....it needs to be stopped....
CHARLOTTETOWN, Prince Edward Island (AP) -- Opponents of Canada's seal hunt have a powerful ally in their bid to end the annual slaughter: Paul McCartney, who took to the ice floes Thursday and frolicked with the doe-eyed pups just weeks before the harvest gets under way.
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/03/02/seal.hunt.ap/index.html | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 7:20:17 AM | .meanwhile, over in Iraq, the killing goes on.
Just a touch of hypocrisy here.
not all all...I don't support the terrorist/insurgent's killing of civilians ......
and if you don't have a comment relating to the thread why do you even bother.. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 7:23:46 AM |
not all all...I don't support the terrorist/insurgent's killing of civilians ......
but you do support the killings of civilians by us soldiers as long as those civilians are called terrorists or insurgents or whatever? | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 7:23:53 AM | I think it sucks,that these poor little animals have too be killed for others life style choices,but people do have to make a liveing....
I'm sure that if somebody gave these people an alternative,they would do something else...
I cant condemn somebody for trying to make an honest liveing,even though i dont agree with the killing of the baby seals...It;s a shame,but people do have too live... | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 7:32:30 AM | The ONLY reason people get their sh*t in a knot over this is because baby seals are cute.
If they looked like a baboons ass,no one would say boo.
Nobody says "save the beaver".Maybe the beavers need a better lobby group. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 7:33:37 AM | Ick and yuck. I have a bunch of furs that were inherited from Gram. Took YEARS before I could even put one on. Am sad to admit that hating the cold like I do, I get the attraction to the warmth part of it, but still haven't worn any of them outside of one occassion. It was Halloween and I was dressed as the barbarian that had turned my kid into a corpse LOL Was looking for something that would match my costume and keep me from freezing when I took her trick-or-treating.
But like I said, these were inherited. No way I could buy fur. Killing to survive is one thing, for "fashion" is just sick and wrong. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 7:36:41 AM | | They haven't clubbed seals in decades. They use rifles, but I don't know, seems to take the sport out of it. On topic, I have to agree, it is the cuteness of the seals that is used to motivate. Someone like Paul McCartney is consistent. He's a vegetarian and lives his convictions. I eat meat, I'm not going to condemn a hunt just cause the animal is cute. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 7:47:03 AM | I eat meat, I'm not going to condemn a hunt just cause the animal is cute."
the hunt has nothing to do with meat....the only part of the animal that is used in the pelt...I have hunted deer which is a cute animal as well but I hunted for the meat... | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 7:47:20 AM | Like i said,Give them another alternative...I also said that i didn't agree with the killing...
I actually think it's disgusting too,but STILL people do have to live,i dont think farming veggies would work there,do you???...What else are these people suppose too do,STARVE??. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 7:49:56 AM | Like i said,Give them another alternative:
why don't they find an alternative way of making a living.....if a bank robber claims he/she has no other means of supporting themselves are you suggesting it's ok for them to rob banks until the gov to finds them other sources of income? | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 7:53:44 AM | | I think it is true because they are cute why people get so upset about it. I wouldn't go out and kill one but then I also don't go out hunting for deer and elk either. I could use the meat and if I had to killl my own cow I would become a vegetarian. As long as people still buy the furs there are going to be hunters. So it would be alright with everyone if they have seal farms and then gave them a lethal injection. Would that be acceptable. We don't live in a perfect world and there are better things to get mad about if you want to fight for a cause how about we feed the hungry and protect the children of the world. How many times have you passed by a homeless person and never thought twice about if there was something you could do to help them. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 8:06:07 AM |
why don't they find an alternative way of making a living.....if a bank robber claims he/she has no other means of supporting themselves are you suggesting it's ok for them to rob banks until the gov to finds them other sources of income?
No,Thats not what i'm saying at all!!!..And you know that!!!.
Dont try to turn my words into something their not,it just makes you look bad...lol..
I said,I dont agree with it,what more do you want??...jeez!!!
These people aren't robbing banks,their doing the only thing they have ever known how too do.
I dont hear anybody here screaming about the illigal ivory trade going on in africa,oh yea Rino's arn't cute are they,But thats illigal,so whats the deal with that.... | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 8:06:57 AM |
So it would be alright with everyone if they have seal farms and then gave them a lethal injection. Would that be acceptable.
Good question. The only issue I have with the hunt is cruelty. I do not know the methods they currently use, but its not high on my priority list to even findout. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 8:11:07 AM | No,Thats not what i'm saying at all!!!..And you know that!!!.
Dont try to turn my words into something their not,it just makes you look bad...lol..
I said,I dont agree with it,what more do you want??...jeez!!!"
it's not that you don't agree with it but you seem to think it's the gov problem to find them other work....it's not... | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 8:18:33 AM |
the hunt has nothing to do with meat....the only part of the animal that is used in the pelt...I have hunted deer which is a cute animal as well but I hunted for the meat...
That is justifiable - you are using the entirety of the animal to survive: meat to eat, skin to clothe.....this is the nature of nature, not killing baby seal pups for J.Yo or Georgio Armani.
Do you wear leather shoes or do you try to keep synthetic? | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 8:21:29 AM | it's not that you don't agree with it but you seem to think it's the gov problem to find them other work....it's not...
I didn't mean for it to sound that way at all,i was just saying give another alternative to the way it's done...
I think the lethal injection method would be a better way of dealing with the it,but there always gonna be somebody against it,no matter what....
edit:Like i said before,i think it's a shame that these poor little animals have to suffer,for somebody else's life style choice....
I dont think they should be killed at all!!!,but the world is a hard.... | |
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Hezron
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Joined: 12/15/2005
Msg: 19 | |
| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 8:33:49 AM | | Here is where I will surprise a few of my foils...I supportthe seal hunters. The resource is well managed and there is no question as to extinction etc...I support it because there are greater evils in th world to be addressed. I support because I eat meat and so condone the killing of animals which is funny because I truly beleive all animals are pretty much just like us, are conscious and self aware ect. The outrage is over the fac that they are cute...watch a slaughterhous video...it is not humane....it is live butchery plain and simple...why don't we give a damn...cause the cattle don't have little doe eyes. Blowing apart human beings seems to be ok with the right government spin...I am sure there are many right now in the States screaming injustic over the hunt while simultaniously cheering on the troops killing everybody and their sister in iraq. I am confused once again so OG go back to cave. I know...we should get the seals to openly conferss they are muslim...then I guess we would have a lot of Americans coming up to help out. | |
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yna6
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Joined: 5/2/2004
Msg: 20 | |
| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 8:47:04 AM | Hunting weaners (seal pups) is just that...a hunt. Sure...there are some unethical hunters out there, but are we to hang the whole lot of them for the actions of the few? I don't think so...and in ANY situation, we are going to have the bad apples held up as the "norm", when it suits us. This is just not so.
We've seen what happens when the hunt is not allowed to go on....fish stocks plummetted to the point where people were out of work...not just fishing, but canneries, and the transportation industry, not to mention all the spin-off jobs lost. Sure...a lot of fishing goes on...we have to feed ourselves, and the European nations have their quotas allowed by the Canadian gov't at the expense of Canadian fishermen. BUT...with uncontrolled seal populations, the whole industry went down the drain. We have to think about this one carefully....the hunt IS limited in number, allowing fish stocks to grow, which allows more jobs for the region. What else can they do? The gov't tried to develope new jobs there...they built hydroponic greenhouses, which were supposed to employ 25-100 people. Whee.....thrills there, huh? The jobs paid minimum wage and there was no huge market for the produce...so it was a dismal flop. The oil industry gets pilloried for opening up new resources off the coast, and again, there are only so many jobs, and often, the locals do not get these jobs...labour is imported because they want "experienced" people only.
Just because some big-mouthed star shoots off their mouths about some topic they hardly know anything about, the world seems to think that their opinion is actual fact. It isn't. Stop and think where all these seal skins are used. We wear fur....a lot of people do. It isn't up to a single group to say "No...NOBODY should be wearing fur!"...it is up to the individual to make that choice. Then look to see if they are wearing any leather belts or jackets, or pants. LOL!
As far as to what I think...if the market is there, they should be harvesting weaners. The jobs and income is needed, rather than have them sitting waiting for the welfare cheque.
Wonder if they could use the rest for such things as animal feed, like they do rendered stock? Probably....but we never hear about this aspect of the industry, do we? | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 8:47:04 AM | Well this is a sad thing. With fake fur and all one wonders why? $$$ Thats why. They poach Elephants for 2 stocks of Ivory. Now I have fished the waters of the Lower North Shore (pulling pots for lobster) The gen. Population in this area(s) is fishing. They tend to believe that seals left unchecked will devastate an already overstated fish population that was created by MAN. So You can Scream,yell, Demonstrate till you turn blue. Its a sad world and it will be sadder. Killing is a business be it seals,Wildlife,Nations,Religions..See the picture? Its a business plain and simple. | |
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yna6
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Joined: 5/2/2004
Msg: 22 | |
| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 9:10:46 AM | Overfishing is not the problem...the seals were (proven by gov't studies...which were NOT paid for by such groups as PETA who basically told the people doing the studies what they WOULD find....or they wouldn't be paid) responsible for putting the balance out of whack. It was a balance of fishing, and seals that was unchecked when they banned the hunt for years...then we heard the hooting and hollering about depleted fish stocks. The ONLY difference was the unchecked numbers of seals...nothing else. Also, the FACT that the Canadian gov't increased quotas to European nations, while cutting quotas for Canadian fishermen didn't help the employment problem any and kept the qutao of fish relatively stable in numbers. Almost the same amout fished...just the pie was cut differently.
The more of an animal that is used, the better it is....perhaps there is a market for seal carcasses then. The fisheries dept has something going on there I'm sure...or the fisherment themselves. NObody leaves that amount of unclaimed raw resources to rot...unless it doesn't pay. Wouldn't be surprised if they could sell it to the Oriental market as a new source of protein, for an undernourished nation, much like whale meat is. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 9:12:04 AM | | There is no "hunt" involved in the killing of the baby seals. If the seals are naive and innocent enough to let a man walk up with a club and hit them with it, then there is no "hunt" for a man with a gun standing at a distance. | |
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| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 9:21:45 AM | | Overfishing has caused the problem and continued overfishing by European nations continues to be the main problem. But we've stopped our fishery entirely and have only limited power to stop the overfishing by others. Seals aren't the main problem, but it's the only thing we have any power over. An adult seal eats a pretty big amount of cod each day. | |
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yna6
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Joined: 5/2/2004
Msg: 25 | |
| Canada's Disgusting Seal Pup Hunt
Posted: 3/3/2006 9:28:16 AM | Ty DragonN....most informative.
OK...so we have the situation of overfishing...whereas we have thousands of Canadians unemployed because the fishing rights have been assigned to European countries. They attempt to make money by harvesting weaners, and get pilloried for it. Does the Canadian taxpayer want these people on welfare? Do they want to be on welfare? Most say "No". What are they supposed to do then? Move? Where? To what?
Does Canada finally get some balls and says "Canadian industry FIRST, and starts reassigning fishing quotas to Canadians, thereby re-opening the whole industry...which will have a European market that will be basically forced to buy? Of course not....our gov't decides to toss Canadians out of work and leave them to lose everything. Cut foreign fishing rights and quotas....give these people an alternate income source, and the seal issue becomes a moot point. It will always be there, BUT, propbably not in such a large harvest.
Gee..never saw ONE poster screaming about an Inuit waiting by an airhole to poke a hole into a seal, and hopefully get it....many of these animals hunted like that escape, only to bleed to death beneath the ice, or drown because they are too fearful to come up for air, knowing that they will be poked again. Only about one in ten seal hunts like this are successful...the rest are lost. Seems to me that THAT is a far more cruel thing than clubbing and shooting. | |
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