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| Astrology? for life and love...
Posted: 3/4/2006 6:40:57 PM | I hate to make a long post, but would like to try to offer some insight to the people that shrug off astrology as a joke or don't know that much about it – it’s a very interesting science if you choose to explore it in depth and that’s not meaning the newspapers lil daily blurb.
If you’re even half way interested in discovering what makes you tick, do yourself a favor and get a natal chart done (cheap and surprisingly informational) or if you’re heading into one or already in a relationship have a compatibility chart prepared – it certainly isn’t a manual for the relationship but will show you the strengths and weaknesses of it.
If you’re a person striving to improve on yourself you can use this info to identify potential pitfalls in life and/or your relationship. Knowledge is power and with all the strife in relationships these days, what can it possibly hurt? Below is a brief explanation of a natal report…
In interpreting a natal birth chart, the positions of the planets, the signs and the aspects they make to each other detail the important characteristics of the person.
For the most complete interpretation of a natal horoscope, both the exact time and location (latitude and longitude or city and state) of birth must be known.
The First House or Ascendant represents a persons self-awareness and self-expression. The First House is the most important in the chart, as the sign in this position is the subject's Ascendant or Rising Sign, showing their personality and appearance.
The Second House deals with material resources and possessions. In a natal chart this house concerns the subject's ability and desire to earn a living, find stability, meet financial obligations and acquire belongings.
The Third House deals with thinking and communicating. In a natal chart this house shows the subject's ability or otherwise to think clearly, reason logically, get ideas across to others, and act perceptively.
The Fourth House deals with the home, the family and the environment subjects create for themselves. In a natal chart this not only concerns the physical home and the people in it, but the 'inner home': those things that the subject feels comfortable with, and includes habits and unconscious processes.
The Fifth House deals with romance, creativity and pleasure. Activities pertaining to self-expression and popularity belong to this house, and as such it governs the creative arts and entertainment.
The Sixth House deals with work, application and health. In a natal chart this house reveals the subject's attitude towards work and their ability to get on with things practically. It also concerns their general health and how good they are likely to be at looking after themselves.
The Seventh House deals with relationships, partnerships and legal matters. In a natal chart, this house deals with the kind of relationships the subject is likely to have, the sorts of people they try to be with, and how the subject is perceived by others.
The Eighth House deals with joint resources and ventures, and governs sex, death and money. In terms of finance, it particularly concerns money resulting from united efforts like business or marriage. In relating to death and decline, the Eighth House is also concerned with inheritance, legacies and rebirth.
The Ninth House deals with the far horizons: knowledge gained from institutions, established systems and long-distance travel. It deals with the dissemination of knowledge through teaching, publishing and established systems of religion, academia and law.
The Tenth House or Midheaven deals with career, reputation and social standing. In a natal chart this house indicates how ambitious the subject is, and how likely they are to fulfill their ambitions.
The Eleventh House deals with friendships, humanitarian activities, and the ability to work as part of a group for common goals. In a natal chart this house indicates the subject's ability to make friends, and their capacity to help, work and communicate with others.
The Twelfth House deals with what is hidden: the subconscious mind, psychological baggage and mystical inspiration. In a natal chart, this house concerns the subject's deep-seated habits and emotional responses. It reveals those areas in which subjects are most likely to deceive themselves.
I’ve yet to see anyone have one prepared and not be amazed at what they read including the biggest of skeptics...give it a whirl, nothing ventured, nothing gained right?
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| Astrology? for life and love...
Posted: 3/4/2006 7:11:29 PM | it’s a very interesting science
bullcock,
astrology is NOT a science; heck, if it is science then lets admit creationism as science. | |
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| Astrology? for life and love...
Posted: 3/5/2006 12:34:02 AM | They make general statements to lure people in.
FYI Miss CLEO IS A FRAUD.
FYI psychics and all ESP is fake - why can't they predict anything of importance?
FYI Faith healing is fake - they have been exposed
They prey on the stupid to be bluntly honest.
normally, I wouldn't have a problem with you posting this for fun, but the fact is that they STEAL money from the uninformed.
Don't set that precedent. | |
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| Astrology? for life and love...
Posted: 3/5/2006 2:13:37 AM | Thats a crock of huey!
metaphysics is a form of science deary so obviously you have not done your research, shame on you. There are universities all over the world that only offer metaphysics including in the USA. Both Jung and Freud believed in the metaphysics, but they were dummies compared to the intellegence of you two! I tell you those two posts sure show the elite of intellegence of our human race..just oozing with knowledge.
As for all psychics being fake, faith healing being fake, That is such a small population opinion, and if the percentage is less than five percent...which it is, it just doesn't count. oh well you tried.
And I have been a psychic for over 20 years and I have helped the police on many occasions with cases, I have not charged for readings as well as seen things that would make you go hide under your covers and shiver in your boots. So your theories are shot down in flames.
What makes me laugh is the fact the both of you not only came to this post although it was clearly marked astrology and read what was written and then actually commented. hurray, you may not believe but you now have the knowledge HAHAHAHAHAHHAH | |
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| Astrology? for life and love...
Posted: 3/5/2006 7:34:13 AM | I am trying to prevent people from being conned and ripped off. Astrology is not a science, it is a psuedoscience or faith thing. I challange you (the poster) to an argument why is it a science.
And universities that offer a course in astrology? In the science department and in the US? If its in say sociology or psychology, then maybe as it would be understandable to study its effects on people but not in a science department. Name one reputable (no bullshit University of Bar Harbour or whatever) American insitution that offers a course on astrology as SCIENCE course.
The Mars effect which was one of the signs that astrologers say shows that astrology is real, as origional show by Michel Gauquelin has been proven to be false. Michel Gauquelin used a skewed defination of who is an 'sports champion' to support his theory.
Most astrologers claim that graviation effects of planets effect us and use that in our lives. For anyone that has taken a SCIENCE course realize of course its mostly bullcock. Take the planet Saturn which astrologers concern themselves about, the graviation pull from Saturn to the average person is about the same as an SUV about 2 meters away. Yet, astrologers worry so much about Satern not the SUV. Why?
And I quote this: Critics of astrology say that astrologers who use the tropical zodiac, as almost all in the west do, take an arbitrary point 2000 years ago in the past as the basis for their interpretation of the heavens. The zodiac of 2000 years ago holds no special place in astronomy. If we go back 4000 years we find Taurus was the constellation of the Vernal equinox, if we go back 6000, we find Gemini. Critics of astrology say that astronomers understand that the view of the heavens continually changes over long periods of time, while most astrologers use a fixed and inaccurate version of reality.
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I quote again: Adherents of Astrology have claimed that its techniques have been accurate for many centuries. However, three planets (Uranus, Neptune and Pluto), were only discovered within the last 250 years. Many astrologers have now integrated these planets into their systems. If these planets (or any, for that matter) affected life on earth in an astrological sense, there should have been measurable discrepancies between reality and prediction before these planets were discovered.
And I have been a psychic for over 20 years and I have helped the police on many occasions with cases, I have not charged for readings as well as seen things that would make you go hide under your covers and shiver in your boots. So your theories are shot down in flames.
The police also use lie detectors, which are mostly based on bullcock science too. Maybe they were stupid or gullible, or were preassured by stupid and gullible people.
No wonder why americans are losing their technology and educational edge to places like India, China, Japan, etc. You have these obvious frauds and trickery posing as science pushing their agenda. | |
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| Astrology? for life and love...
Posted: 3/5/2006 8:27:53 AM | Thank you Regnis - I appreciate your posts and your adamant negative opinion of astrology has been duly noted. I realize you’re very much entitled to your opinions and beliefs, but in no way did I start this thread to create a “challenge and argument” to prove or disprove it’s merit in our lives nor did I intend to push an agenda on anyone. It was merely a suggestive tool, something I’ve had first hand knowledge of being very accurate, for those that may have questions or are seeking some means to improve their lives.
In your opinion ‘science’ was an improper word choice on my part – my definition of ‘science’ came from the dictionary and is noted below – I apologize if I offended your sense of reality in any way.
Still the question remains in my mind – while these are public forums – and all can join in any of them – why would one waste so much time to enter not only this one but also another thread if they regarded Astrology as “mumbo jumbo and bullcock”, other than to create unnecessary time-wasting challenges to the posters? Or did you hope to enlighten the POF forum readers that your beliefs (or the lack thereof) are the only ones to heed?
Then again – the world would be a boring place if we all believed the same things and agreed on everything, wouldn’t it?
sci·ence (n.)
1. The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.
2. Such activities restricted to explaining a limited class of natural phenomena.
3. Such activities applied to an object of inquiry or study.
4. Knowledge, especially that gained through experience.
Man’s relationship to the universe? Astrology is an ancient tool for enabling self-knowledge, self-awareness, and self-transformation. It can lead to a fuller understanding of who you really are, and how you can grow. Astrology can also help you realize your highest potential and develop your strengths. Ultimately, through the self-understanding it promotes, astrology has the capacity to operate upon the soul and nourish it.
All things are in motion. As the Earth turns on its axis once every twenty-four hours, so the planets, too, move slowly at different speeds in great orbits around the Sun. Astrology is about the relationship between this larger cosmos around us, and the cosmos within each human being–the outer world and your inner one. The same energies that are functioning around you, in the universe, are also functioning within you: they reflect, form, and influence your inner world.
The origin of the word horoscope comes from the Greek “horoskopos”, meaning the sign ascending over the eastern horizon at a given moment. The earliest surviving horoscope is dated 410 BC. A birth chart is a picture, or a diagram, that stops the cosmic clock, capturing the positions of the planets at the moment of your birth. The planetary vibrations, or energies, operating on the day, time and place of your birth are unique. A horoscope is a blueprint of your character and potentials–a cosmic portrait. The heavenly bodies, however, impel but do not compel: an understanding of the planetary energies operating in your life allows you to be in control and to use these energies intelligently for your success and personal evolution.
Astrology is a tool for personal growth and for improving the quality of your life. On a higher level, transits and progressions reveal the lessons that need to be learned at a particular time in our lives, and teach us how to use challenges and difficult periods to increase our spiritual being.
No man or woman sees themselves quite as others do, and often cast aside other people’s unfavorable opinions of themselves as being prejudicial; but the question is – do you wish to become more self-aware, admit to yourself your negative traits and begin to develop the positive ones?
I believe (note the words “I believe”) using astrology as a tool can teach us to understand ourselves better and live more harmoniously with those around us, call it ‘science’ or bullcock, it’s just a suggestion, take it or leave it.
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| Astrology? for life and love...
Posted: 3/5/2006 8:43:57 AM | | I'm not nearly as informed as the OP, but let me tell you this fact. Humans are made up mostly of water, forget the percentage, but we are more water than any other element. THe moon exercises a gravitational effect on the element of water on the earth, it's the moon that controls the tides. So the phases of the moon and the gravitational effect is also present in humans as we are mostly water. When you see irratic behavior, how often does someone say, wow is it a full moon? As anyone who's in law enforcement or works in an emergency room would tell you, they are the busiest during the full moon phase. | |
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| Astrology? for life and love...
Posted: 3/5/2006 9:24:20 AM | Here is why all this stuff is bullshit:
1) Evidence is anecdotal
2) virtually all psyschologists agree that there is no scientific proof
3) Why can't they predict anything of importance?
4) They are masters at FRAME CONTROL - they make it the person who receives the reading responsible for "understanding what
5) The language used is very broad and general
6) ANYONE CAN LEARN TO DO THIS SHIT BY LEARNING PROBABILITY/STATISTICS - magicians have outperformed psychics many times
7) There are MANY challenges including a $1,000,000 challenge that NO ONE HAS EVER WON TO successfully use psychic powers... come on whats the excuse now?
8) ESCAPISM - They have EXIT STRATEGIES in case something goes wrong
Don't give in to their bullshit...you are supporting a CROOKED industry that preys on the stupid or INSECURE -- to be blunt. | |
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| Astrology? for life and love...
Posted: 3/5/2006 9:32:14 AM |
As anyone who's in law enforcement or works in an emergency room would tell you, they are the busiest during the full moon phase.
cum hoc ergo propter hoc | |
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| Astrology? for life and love...
Posted: 3/5/2006 10:26:02 AM | privatenites****
After having every astrology or metaphysical thread bashed from these people who are obviously here not to find a love match but to flaunt their use of large words to intimidate those who would want to read the posts when we both are just trying to be a positive force here.
Don't let them bother you. The majority of the population believes and appreciates our posts on astrology and the metaphysics. The disputers obviously have too much time of their hands and in their lives and are just looking for an arguement with anyone cuz it seems no one wants to talk to them or even date them for that matter.. So why even acknowledge thier posts from now on. Just act as their are not even here, oh Already did.
Expello Infitialis Phasmatis
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| Astrology? for life and love...
Posted: 3/5/2006 10:35:15 AM | | People are inherently afraid and threatened by things they don't understand. Easier to say BS because you don't know than to check it out for yourself. | |
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Posted: 3/5/2006 10:59:23 AM | it makes for sense to just ignore those who choose to post negative things. Why feed the frenzy. no matter what they will just keep arguing the point and that is not the point of us posting these threads. It's an ongoing circle of ignorance.
These are for people who want to read them and are interested. We don;t cater to those who are just bored and want to argue just to have someone to talk to. | |
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Regnis
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| Astrology? for life and love...
Posted: 3/5/2006 11:00:14 AM |
I'm not nearly as informed as the OP, but let me tell you this fact. Humans are made up mostly of water, forget the percentage, but we are more water than any other element. THe moon exercises a gravitational effect on the element of water on the earth, it's the moon that controls the tides. So the phases of the moon and the gravitational effect is also present in humans as we are mostly water. When you see irratic behavior, how often does someone say, wow is it a full moon? As anyone who's in law enforcement or works in an emergency room would tell you, they are the busiest during the full moon phase.
That is the biggest piece of useless crock I've heard this year. What's the significance of us being made out of water again? Water is not an element. The moon excerises a graviation effect on all matter on earth, water, air, rock, etc. The moon has the same gravition effect on our skin, bones, as it does water in our body. | |
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| Astrology? for life and love...
Posted: 3/5/2006 11:01:15 AM |
We don;t cater to those who are just bored and want to argue just to have someone to talk to.
Engage B.S. to English Translator: we don't make money off people who realize astrology is bullshit | |
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Regnis
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| Astrology? for life and love...
Posted: 3/5/2006 11:06:14 AM |
1. The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.
and how does this apply to astrology? | |
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Regnis
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| Astrology? for life and love...
Posted: 3/5/2006 11:11:13 AM | 1. You said:
There are universities all over the world that only offer metaphysics including in the USA. I challanged you to name one reputable insitution that does, you have not yet named one.
2. The majority of the US belives in creationism and that God created the world in 6 day.
3. Yes, very noble of you. Instead of arguing the issue (wheather astrology is a science or faith), you attack the person making the argument. That is obviously how to win arguments, attack the person.
4. The words of Marx in regards to religion can be equally applied to astrology. | |
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Posted: 3/5/2006 11:17:50 AM | | Seems if you were really that knowledgable you would certainly have read about this before. It's fairly common knowledge. Seems that people have been recording and studying this for centuries, but of course since YOU say so, I'm sure it must just be a huge coincidence. | |
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| Astrology? for life and love...
Posted: 3/5/2006 11:55:30 AM | I do believe there are a lot of people who speak of astrology and don't really have an idea of what they are talking about.
But, then there are those who are very knowedgeable on the subject.
I used to be very critical of those expound the merits of astrology...until I did a little reseach.
and found that the Mayan culture....was heavily involved in astrology.
Development of a calender that predicted eclipses..was one of their astronomical observations
Or even Edgar Cayce..very interesting ...might change your idea of how the stars and the planets ..have an influence on our lives. | |
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| Astrology? obviously not for everyone!!
Posted: 3/5/2006 12:01:24 PM | Thanks Bucs and Meta -
I officially bow out of any additional "challenges" - some things are not worth time and energy spent on them and I've recognized this argument as one of them.
They may now call themselves the officials weiners - oops I mean winners, of whatever it is they were trying to prove.
An excerpt from an email to my friend Metaphysicalgypsy-
“I'm done with my challenge exercise for the day - One response is all I'm putting into it, I've seen this kind of mentality way too much to worry about it. I have little time to waste on ______(insert negative description) - and thank you for the positive support - I only started that thread to help the people expressing wonderment in other threads, understand they can easily obtain a natal chart on themselves and see that astrology is more than the crap in newspapers that's for entertainment value only.
I prefer to expand my horizons with all knowledge, share it when I can as well as reach out and embrace things that I cannot see and touch (much like the emotion "love", wonder if they believe in that?) - unlike our negative responders. I feel sad for them really.
The world is made up of all kinds of people, there are those that are certainly welcome to live their life in a narrow little tunnel if that's what they choose”
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| Astrology? obviously not for everyone!!
Posted: 3/5/2006 12:06:28 PM | | No problem, private. Personally, I'm always open to learning new things, knowledge dispels fear I truly believe. It's a safe bet that those who are adamantly outspoken against something are those that know the least about it. But that's always been true, another quirk of human nature. | |
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| Astrology? obviously not for everyone!!
Posted: 3/5/2006 12:29:09 PM | | Sure the moon has influence on bodies of water on our planet. And yes our bodies are mostly made of water. However, I respectfully place question on how any type of astrological "science" is going to put some sort of emphasis on birthdates and how our behavior is influenced by our birthdates, the moon, and other celestial objects. If there is research to back up the tripe spewed by astrologists, I sincerely doubt the integrity of the methods behind the research. Astrology certainly isn't a science, you can believe it if you want, but personally I think many people look to have a religion or other "life-style bible" to follow because they lack confidence in themselves to determine their own destiny. Sure many things are out of our control in life, but those out-of-control events aren't dictated by "astrology". I'm not going to say its bullcock, but if you believe astrology is controlling you, you are admitting that you feel like you have no control over your destiny, and I think that's a copout excuse for not getting the things in life that you want. | |
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| Astrology? for life and love...
Posted: 3/5/2006 12:32:39 PM | see:
http://www.astro.com
You can cast your own chart without having spent years in study... The Biblical Wise men were astrologers, and as noted in Ecclesiatics, "As Above, so Below."
Here are a few reputable institutions that offer the sacred science...
At present they offer a Masters programme in Cultural Astronomy and Astrology. They also accept PhD research students.
Sorbonne University in Paris
Bath Spa University College in Holland
Moscow State University, Russia
University of Southhampton, USA
there are more... it is worth a look...
Vedic Astrology is interesting as well, the charts are cast in celestial cross-section likened to a cube with grids in them. It is just fascinating... and a lifelong study.
To each his own... Namaste | |
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| Astrology? for life and love...
Posted: 3/5/2006 12:45:06 PM | | Scientology is taught in Clearwater Florida, and is believed by thousands, maybe millions. Just because lots of people subscribe to a philosophical approach and attempt to substantiate it with publications, well that doesn't make it a credible way to approach life. It does make for interesting fictional reading. | |
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| Astrology? obviously not for everyone!!
Posted: 3/5/2006 12:53:56 PM | Bike - Astrology - whether you believe a science or not does have it's merits to those of us that have studied it and found it to be valid and useful in our lives - have you ever had a natal chart prepared for yourself?
I agree with you that too many people are looking for cop-outs, things to believe in fanatically or people/churches to blindly follow - astrology is not a cop-out or a reason to act like an assh*le (or not) - it does not ‘control’ or dictate anyone as a matter of fact - we choose our own paths in life, based on many different factors - astrology is a tool - to recognize where our strengths and weaknesses may lie based on planetary positions at the time of our birth - a tool if you choose to seek it out and use it.
If not, than relying on ones self and their own motivation to become the best they can be is a perfectly acceptable way to carry on your existence, tool-less. I say wonderful to those that need nothing and no one to help them through the wondrous journey called life.
I will reiterate again, Astrology is not for everyone (obviously)
I do take issue with those that nail it to a cross before actually investigating it and having a natal chart prepared - I would only hope in your lifetime you would be open minded enuf to get one and see for yourself. | |
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