| Over 60...Finding True Love >Fact or Fantasy
Posted: 3/8/2006 5:13:35 AM | | Why should "Finances" be the "Spoiler" to a potential great union? Why is it that a wealthy man will accept a woman without means but a wealthy woman won't normally accept a financially poor man. | |
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| Over 60...Finding True Love >Fact or Fantasy
Posted: 3/8/2006 4:36:33 PM | It is because of the historical tradition of men being the ones who have money, supporting women. Regardless any changes, traditional roles and attitudes linger. Women have the option of making their living or being supported, while men simply have to earn their own way. It matters only if the man is unable to make his living. Why is he having difficulty?
I wouldn't be concerned that a wealthy woman won't normally accept a poor man. I would look for one who would abnormally accept me, if I was him. | |
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| Over 60...Finding True Love >Fact or Fantasy
Posted: 5/10/2006 1:02:46 PM | let's discuss "finding " this love. It is no wonder that so many older men go overseas or "mailorder" a woman who will show them respect and interest. Most of the American women today have that upity snooty attitude that they have earned their widowed / divorced endowment by all the years they have spread their legs. Entitlement is something you earn ! Does the word "whore" come to mind? The foreign girls are more prone to honor and cherish their man. They soon learn that the standard of living they are about to receive is so much more than they can ever expect to receive while at home. Talk about Plenty of Fish.....American women over 60 have had their holes welded shut don't want to discuss it.My God, don't they know what women are made for? Companionship and LOVE.  | |
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| Over 60...Finding True Love >Fact or Fantasy
Posted: 5/10/2006 1:21:13 PM | Most of the American women today have that upity snooty attitude that they have earned their widowed / divorced endowment by all the years they have spread their legs.
Wow, I pity the woman that winds up with you....American or Foreign. How about these women have worked their asses off raising families, working in the labor force etc... Hey, sometimes marriages break apart and people die, that doesn't mean there wasn't love there once. That doesn't mean these women didn't contribute their fair share.
The foreign girls are more prone to honor and cherish their man. They soon learn that the standard of living they are about to receive is so much more than they can ever expect to receive while at home.
The stories are endless about these foreign women that pretend they love the man just to get over here and then promptly dump him for a younger man after taking the old guy to the cleaners. And of course lets not forget the stories of abuse towards these foreign women by their knights in rusty tarnish armor.
So if you are dangling a better life over her nose to entice her to accept you, then wouldn't she be sleeping with you just to get a better life here in the states. Wouldn't that make her a whore as well??? | |
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| Over 60...Finding True Love >Fact or Fantasy
Posted: 5/10/2006 1:37:40 PM | [/Why should "Finances" be the "Spoiler" to a potential great union? Why is it that a wealthy man will accept a woman without means but a wealthy woman won't normally accept a financially poor man.]
I am leary of a man who cannot earn his own living - that does not mean he has to be rich, just that he is willing to work to support himself. It also does not eliminate someone who cannot work because he is disabled. Mind you, I am not wealthy nor poor, just stuck in the lower middle somewhere 
I watched my girlfriend have to go thru bankruptcy with her husband as he never had a steady job and was what I class as an unrealistic dreamer - he decided to buy a BBQ cleaning franchise in a city where people either clean their own or buy a new one if it gets too dirty.
Then after 18yrs of marriage she finds out he molested his stepdaughter in a previous marriage. She would leave him but if she does - she loses half her pension to this person who has brought untold hardship into her life, because he cannot support himself.
I think I will remain leary and as for Judgerac - grow up! | |
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| Over 60...Finding True Love >Fact or Fantasy
Posted: 5/10/2006 2:53:55 PM | | Judgerac - "American women over 60 have had their ..... welded shut don't want to discuss it." WHAT A LOSER - I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU - GOOD LUCK FINDING AN ACTIVITY PARTNER: verymad: | |
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| Over 60...Finding True Love >Fact or Fantasy
Posted: 5/10/2006 3:58:56 PM | .
Every once in a while I run across something so blatantly ignorant on it face that I don’t dare reply lest I go too far and get kicked off of here. This time, I received a phone call from a friend and she read it to me.
(And yes, this idiocy is preambled simply because I do not want such a statement popping up on my profile!)
American women over 60 have had their holes welded shut don't want to discuss it.
Ahem . . . being part of the over 60 crowd, and having many women friends who are over 60, I can truthfully say that the poster sounds like an idiot, as well as woefully misinformed!
For instance, three of my 64 year old women friends were married last year and another is considering it. All of them are very happy, as are their husbands. We’ll not get into my personal experiences here, but suffice to say, I’ve been around the block a few times.
Whew! I kept it clean. LOL
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| Over 60...Finding True Love >Fact or Fantasy
Posted: 5/10/2006 4:02:58 PM | Hmmmmm....what does the title of this have to do with the question???
Question 1: Over 60 can find true love--there's no age limitation on love.
Question 2: If a wealthy woman doesn't accept a financially poor man, perhaps it's because she has been burned in the past by scammers and isn't putting herself in that situation again. Just a theory... | |
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| Over 60...Finding True Love >Fact or Fantasy
Posted: 11/7/2008 10:24:59 PM | Why should "Finances" be the "Spoiler" to a potential great union? Why is it that a wealthy man will accept a woman without means but a wealthy woman won't normally accept a financially poor man......"Over 60...Finding True Love >Fact or Fantasy"
A 'wealthy man will accept a' YOUNG 'woman without means,' Yes. A wealthy woman will probably also accept, or more readily accept, a financially poor YOUNG man.
Some men are so funny..... | |
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| Over 60...Finding True Love >Fact or Fantasy
Posted: 11/8/2008 6:18:17 AM | This preference pattern must be in the DNA and predates homo sapiens and even primates, not that some animals are wealthy in the sense we are. Certain alpha males which may be smarter, bigger and stonger and command better hunting territories have their pick of the chicks, so to speak. The females instinctively feel their offspring will be better fed and protected and their survival more assured.
Men in general do not seem to care about a woman's socioeconomic status whereas women are less attracted to men of lower socioeconomic status. Several well known studies have shown this to be true.
Some wealthy older women find younger men of reduced financial circumstances compared to themselves, for - you name it. This is quite the trend among the Hollywood crowd! Some older women find gay men who are willing to become their companions. I am told they are called "walkers". | |
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| Over 60...Finding True Love >Fact or Fantasy
Posted: 11/8/2008 1:19:48 PM | "Why is it that a wealthy man will accept a woman without means but a wealthy woman won't normally accept a financially poor man."
Because older women are to0 smart to get involved with that kind of drama?............. | |
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| Over 60...Finding True Love >Fact or Fantasy
Posted: 11/9/2008 5:48:46 AM |
Because the woman would be thinking, do you like me or my money?
Yes, I think she'd be thinking that. She also might be thinking about how she is perceived by society. In our culture, women with young lovers or husbands tend to be put down and ridiculed; whereas, an older man with a young lover or wife is admired--traditionally. I do wonder though, isn't the man concerned about whether she likes him or his money? Doesn't he care? Anybody got a reasonable answer for that? Not just a joke or put down, but a real answer? | |
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| Over 60...Finding True Love >Fact or Fantasy
Posted: 11/9/2008 6:19:46 AM |
^^ Why is the young with old, old with young, being brought into this thread?
I didn't see that implied in the opening?
Merely a richer/poorer thing... in male/female's over 60, or thereabouts.
I'll address the origianal, which says nothing about young with old:
Why should "Finances" be the "Spoiler" to a potential great union? Why is it that a wealthy man will accept a woman without means but a wealthy woman won't normally accept a financially poor man.
Those of us in the older age bracket have come from a time, long ago (ha), of men being able to earn a bunch more financial security than the woman.
So, I would hazard a guess that a woman who has reached the age of most of us here on this thread ..
make that a woman who has worked hard and has a good financial 'security' or riches...
runs across a potential match with a man in her age range who has nothing to his name, (so to speak), she will pause and wonder if he won't just be a drain and possibly quite lazy. After all, we were brought up under that long ago "this is the way it is" thing of men being the wage earners and women keeping the house in order... so deep inside maybe we wouldn't understand or accept a man who didn't do 'his' thing throughout his long life.
Disclaimer: that is not MY way of thinking... just my thoughts on why some rich older ladies may not want to hook up with some poor older men.
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| Over 60...Finding True Love >Fact or Fantasy
Posted: 11/9/2008 6:27:36 AM | Why is the young with old, old with young, being brought into this thread?
I didn't see that implied in the opening?
Merely a richer/poorer thing... in male/female's over 60, or thereabouts.
Because in general, men over 60 will accept a poor woman who is younger.. . traditionally. They are not generally interested in a poor woman who is their age or older. But a man who is over 60 and poor, expecting a woman who is rich to accept him,that's what the OP is suggesting, it's not realistic...given what has gone on in our culture, and most cultures, previously. So it seems pretty silly and also hypocritical for hom to be bemoaning the fact that a rich woman won't be interested in him. Why should a rich woman accept a poor old man, but a rich old man not accept a poor old woman? That's my take on it, and that's where the age issue comes in. It's my opinion...Others may disagree, of course. | |
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| Over 60...Finding True Love >Fact or Fantasy
Posted: 11/9/2008 6:52:03 AM | I am over 60 and am not ready to be sitting in a rocker with a shawl over my lap.
I am active and either people are be nice to an "old man" or b.s. but they cannot
believe I am over 60. Yep, I can dance the night away, ride a motorcycle, skydive,
ski, and have passion in the bedroom but I see that some ladies have a cutoff in their
mailing restrictions to age 59. Looking to date someone in their 20's or 30's?...
Of course not, I do not want to date someone that could be the age of my children.
I do laugh when I see ladies in their 50's looking for someone in their mid-twenties
or 30's. Really, it has to make them feel younger or just for the sex....Hey, guys
do it too. Be honest and take a good look at your body...It is not the same as it was in your 20's..haha, that goes for both sexes.
Most people are more cautious and selective/picky as they grow older.
Either we lost a loved one due to death or are divorced. Whether thru a divorce
or death, people are more cautious to open their hearts again because of the pain
and that is sad. We are only on this earth for a short time and lots of people waste
it....Have fun: be filled with passion; be senuous as well as sensual; enjoy sex; let
yourself fall in love; admire and cherish those in your life. The only guarantee in life
that you have is that you are going to die....Live for today because tomorrow may
never come and if it does, it is fleeting. I feel sorry for those that have never experienced "true love" and passion in their lives. Looks like I may be getting off the beaten path (once again) but yes I believe you can find true love even if you are over 60....I just have to find the right one...lol | |
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| Over 60...Finding True Love >Fact or Fantasy
Posted: 11/9/2008 8:03:19 AM | "His" bank account was never a really biggy for me. I was under the impression a poor man could be just as much fun and just as commited as I can be.
Maybe I need to reassess that one.
My last two experiences were with men less financially secure than myself...and I'm not saying I'm some wealthy old bag lookin for some young thing to help me spend my money....anyway, last two experiences were...well...we have a joke in Oregon: Give me a woman with a chain saw!
I still believe (at this point) wealth is not an indicator to the mans honor and integrity. But I've been told I have a strange slant on reality by more than one of my friends! | |
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| Over 60...Finding True Love >Fact or Fantasy
Posted: 11/9/2008 8:59:22 AM | Hey g/f down here a woman needs a bass boat!
For me,, I don't have wealth, but I can pay my own way.. That is what I would expect from a man,, simply to be self-supporting.
I can't afford my perfume and lipstick, if I have to pay for your beer,, know what I mean?
Now, finding true love over 60,, maybe,,, if there's life, there's hope....
tb | |
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| Over 60...Finding True Love >Fact or Fantasy
Posted: 11/9/2008 10:26:57 PM | Someone I cared for very much had the greatest expression: " Money may not buy love, but it buys the Cadillac to go downtown and look for it."
Well, I'm 60. I have the Caddy, I know the route to downtown, and I continue to look. I may not find true love, but I'm having a heck of a good time looking. | |
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| Over 60...Finding True Love >Fact or Fantasy
Posted: 11/10/2008 6:25:31 AM | Ismene1 brought up an interesting question in msg.13. She asked if a man is concerned whether a woman likes him or his money. I would say that at least in part, and the significance of the part varies widely within the female populace, a woman is attracted to a man for his money, earning ability and the social status he can provide for her. If the man is wealthy, famous, notorious or a politician, gifted athlete or rock star and the like his level of attraction is huge.
Over the years I have had a few men comment to me that they did not care whether a woman liked him for his money or not. These men no doubt were dating for sex and were in their 20's - 40's I would say. Personally, I always only wanted to date women who liked me for me. That still holds true for me today.
When I was younger women seemed to be attracted to me for my personality and my potential; I had literally no money. Potential is a factor in what women look for in men they date during their 20's. Back then (late 1950's - 1965 or so) many, but by no means all, women who went to a state university went there to get their Mrs degree. If I told one I was not interested in getting married until I finished my education she was usually on to the next man. I was not a star high school or college athlete so women did not want to date me for my status in that regard. After I completed my education and became successful, I discovered that my level of attraction was growing commensurate with my attainments.
There is no doubt that a substantial part of the attraction a woman has for a man is his socioeconomic status, ie., his ability to provide and protect her and any immediate family involved. This is not an age based condition. Back when I was a first year law student a third year male law student advised me to tell women I was dating I was a second or third year student (I did not follow his advice). The reason, he told me, is that women would have little or no interest in me until I was nearer graduation and more of a sure thing since back then only one in three law students eventually graduated. Some male physicians have confided the same thing was true for them during medical school and training. Sure enough, as graduation approached the women became very, very interested in dating me (I got married - lol) whereas I had limited results my first year which was probably a gift since I was studying almost every waking hour anyway.
The reality is women are attracted to men for a set of reasons, although the weighting of individual reasons may vary from woman to woman. Men are attracted to women for another set of reasons. Many reasons within each set overlap but some do not. Some of the reasons within each set change with time; others do not. Some change with changes in circumstances. Some reasons remain in place throughout one's lifetime. | |
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| Over 60...Finding True Love >Fact or Fantasy
Posted: 11/10/2008 2:39:23 PM | Women have a much harder time getting money than men do. Perhaps that is why they are less likely to want to part with it.
For me, personally, the man would have to bring something to the table...no one wants a person for a partner who is a deadbeat, lie around, do nothing person. | |
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| Over 60...Finding True Love >Fact or Fantasy
Posted: 11/11/2008 3:10:59 PM | | I cant see myself ever being like that. But my thought is that men work longer than women do because of children. Then the work is harder at home than it is out of the home. And what happens after years of giving your man every cent you made (because he needed it) then leaves you high and dry for someone else with money. How do you explain that to another man you meet. I can keep myself going now but I certainly dont have a bankroll because of this exact reason. Then you e-mail a contact that maybe has the same interests or maybe not. Can they not have the decency to at least write back and say thanks for the letter. Im not one to go out alone, never have been so it is a bit lonelier for some of us that are like that. | |
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| Over 60...Finding True Love >Fact or Fantasy
Posted: 11/12/2008 12:33:16 PM | Why would I have a man in my life that does not bring into a relationship an equal amount of assets that I bring? I have worked all of my life and put a husband through university as well. My days of supporting a man are long gone. No one has ever supported me I own my house and have some investments. My expectation is that a fellow I enter into a long term relationship with will be in as good financial shape as I am in. If that means I live alone for the rest of my life so be it.
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