| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/9/2006 5:30:24 AM | The only ones to blame on this perception are muslims themselves.....
"As the war in Iraq grinds into its fourth year, a growing proportion of Americans are expressing unfavorable views of Islam, and a majority now say that Muslims are disproportionately prone to violence, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.
The poll found that nearly half of Americans -- 46 percent -- have a negative view of Islam, seven percentage points higher than in the tense months after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, when Muslims were often targeted for violence."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11735622/ | |
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Hezron
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/9/2006 5:36:19 AM | | There is plenty of balme on both sides. Hatred tends to feed itself once it gets rolling. I do beleive though that our media and governments help to perpetuate hatred in order to facilitate support for there agenda's. Explaing the real facts is too complicated and difficult. Mob mentality demands you go for simple gut reactions, the easiest to generate being hatred. You can paint any people as terrible...you could spin the news and what you show to convince people thgat Americans have no value for life...you could colour candians as aboriginal abusing drug addled seal beaters...people are people. | |
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Hezron
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Joined: 12/15/2005
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/9/2006 6:31:22 AM | | They do seem to be an easy group to whip into a frenzy. Did I say the cartoon violnce never happened...of course it did and it just goes to show how fired up the mob can get...the west is getting on the hatred bandwagon and so are they...as I said hate breeds hate...how easy do you thonk it is for the upper powers to get muslims whipped into hating the west when we bomb them and control their resources...makes it easy...just as easy as it is for us to hate them for a lot of the insane stuff on their side. | |
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Hezron
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Joined: 12/15/2005
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/9/2006 7:22:49 AM | | It is a pwerful tool and there is a ton of stuff in it I totally don't agree with. On their side I am sure they see us as godless heathens who worship only our own wealth...In history religion has always been a great tool for the controlling powers to get people riled up enough to go to wart when the real reasons are always the same...conflict over resource. | |
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/9/2006 7:23:27 AM | I've got a negative impression of organized religion: period...
Although I'm a Christian, organized religion seems to be just another way to politicize and polarize people for/against each other to suit the interests of certain powerful people in society.
In fact, in earlier societies religion and politics were one and the same. Only afew hundred years ago did heads of state stop naming themselves "Gods" and so forth.
The US was one of the first great nations to stop recognizing a special connection between "gods" or "god" and the head of state; making it so common people could become leaders based upon their ability to do the job of leading...
Too bad that whole process has been subverted by private wealth of certain individuals. It had alot of potential....
We're no better in this regard than Islamic countries now; all our mythology about "democracy" and "freedom" believing we have been ordained by God to steal any other nation's resources we feel like taking and calling them "evil" when they fight back.
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/9/2006 7:48:01 AM |
^^^We don't have the Quran as a motivator though. This is life and death for them.
Unbelievable. We don't have the Qur'an, but we sure as hell have the Bible! I don't think the Qur'an started the Crusades? Did it?
Religious fanatics cover the globe, ours and theirs. And the reality is, for every person who interprets teh Qur'an to mean violence against others, there are 100 others who don't.
So give the generalizations a rest...
How many Muslims are there in the world? Lets divide the number of extremists, and include those rioting over the cartoon, into the total? Who thinks that's going to be a big percentage??? | |
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/9/2006 8:04:41 AM |
Unbelievable. We don't have the Qur'an, but we sure as hell have the Bible! I don't think the Qur'an started the Crusades? Did it? If you see a comparison in the Quran and Bible, you havent read the Quran....or probably the Bible for that matter. The Bible, btw, didn't start the crusades. | |
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/9/2006 8:13:51 AM | It's interesting how someone can take the views of a very small radical group and apply it to millions of people. It is also completely irresponsible on the part of those who continually perpetuate these erroneous views.
1. Islam is the largest religion in the world. There membership is in the millions, and they like Christian are broken into many different sects, with different beliefs but one holy book.
2. Most Muslims are NOT terrorist. Let me repeat myself, most Muslims are NOT terrorist. They are peace loving individuals who just want to be free to worship their God in peace. You've heard of peace, freedom from strife.
3. The Quaran does not teach hatred, no more so than the Bible. In fact, if you read it, which I have, it actually teaches love and tolerance. Just as the Bible teaches it, which I've also read.
Ignorance breeds ignorance, as this poll clearly shows. To indiscriminately blame all Muslims and a religion that mostpeople know absolutely nothing about, other than heresay because of the actions of a minority of people is the height of idiocy
That's the same as saying that the KKK represent the American ideal and average Americans. Or that Neo-Nazi's are the voice for Germany and Europe. Or that the Black Panthers exspoused the views of all blacks. It's ridiculous, obviously there are those who follow that ideology, but it's not all or most. They are a minority.
I'd like for anyone to tell me that if an army from another country came here and attempted to take over and run our country, that we'd just let them and not fight back. It would not happen, we'd train our children, women, and senior citizens to help with the fight. American Revolution and Civil War. By any means necessary, for all my NRA friends.
I'd like to know how many people actually know anything about, let alone understand the Iraqi culture, their societal structure, or even their history ancient and recent. It's easy to have an opinion on a subject, but I'd like to see one based on knowledge, fact and understanding of the subject being spoken on. | |
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/9/2006 8:23:59 AM |
The Bible, btw, didn't start the crusades.
Nope, you're right. But it provided quite the justification. Just as your implication that the Qur'an provides the impetus and justification for terrorists.
And you're right, I've read neither. And as a result feel unqualified to make general assumptions about how they motivate their seperate believers. | |
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/9/2006 8:26:26 AM | The difference.
Offensive cartoon about God.
Christians - write letters to the editor & religious leaders.
Offensive cartoon about Allah
Islam - riot and burn down embassies
Currently Islam is going through it's dark ages, just like Christanity did many years ago. Hopefully it doesn't take them 400 years like they did. | |
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/9/2006 8:31:41 AM |
Islam - riot and burn down embassies
Islam??? Don't you mean "some of Islam" or more accurately "some extremists of Islam".
Think you could blame another massive amount of people for the actions of a few? | |
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/9/2006 8:49:16 AM | | Well the only outcries I've heard is from Non-Islam. Only the odd Cleric as spoken out against it. So if the rest of Islam isn't speaking out against all that viloence, are they not part of these few than. | |
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/9/2006 9:01:46 AM | Ah yes. The "support through inaction" theory.
I guess that means that you are actively out there protesting all the injustices in the world right? No? Does that mean you support them? Hmmmm
And really, just because the North American Media isn't showing it, doesn't mean it's not happening. You really have no idea whether or not there is a strong protest against the violence.
So again, feel free to lump millions in with a few thousand, or even hundreds of thousands. I'm sure the logic works out.
It's like this right? "Some Canadians own guns, some Canadians with guns shoot people, therefore, all Canadians with guns shoot people!"
Or more to the topic "Some Muslims are extremists, some extremists are suicide bombers, therefore all Muslims are suicide bombers!"
Give me a break... | |
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/9/2006 9:07:42 AM | Um, you got the inaction support theory wrong
It's like this right? "Some Canadians own guns, some Canadians with guns shoot people, therefore, all Canadians with guns shoot people!"
It's "Some Canadians own guns, some Canadians with guns shoot people, most Canadians don't protest against the Canadians that shoot people. Thus Canadians support them shooting people.
If a selected group was making either you look very very bad or an organization you are with look very very bad would you not voice your opinion to make sure that these people do not speak for you? | |
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/9/2006 9:31:20 AM |
Well the only outcries I've heard is from Non-Islam. Only the odd Cleric as spoken out against it. So if the rest of Islam isn't speaking out against all that viloence, are they not part of these few than.
There are many Muslims fighting against it on the side of the US. If you thinking they're not speaking out about it, you've got to be deaf or ignorant. | |
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/9/2006 9:41:17 AM | see how good some Religious Leaders are at creating Hatred! i think they better soon learn how to laugh at themselves. could you imagine if i couldn't make fun of PM Harper? or make fun of the Pope! welcome to the millennium where they are no more borders.
Religion has been highjacked as has our Governments and Banks and Media. when weren't they corrupt? and you are so right anicon it - "had allot of potential". and it still does.
to see only differences we are means we are only using part of the brain. it's the Male fight or flight side side. the Warrior side. it has to be able to divide everything up instantly and find friend or foe. this gets invoked daily by our Media and is now kept at the top of our reality.
the negative perceptions of Islam is increasing directionally proportional to the fear growing in America and Canada. and vice versa. and versa vice. and it's being done to both sides on purpose! the 'Media' will soon be found guilty of inciting hatred. as our Armies. they always try to end in a civil war - as is happening in Iraq, followed by genocide. who has controlled the 'Media' and 'Information' in Iraq after victory was claimed? let alone from "shock and awe"?
have they instilled unity or hatred in Afghanistan and Iraq?
the thing is, the rest of us live in peace. there are only few Political and Religious leaders that are trying to make War and control our natural resource that we should be sharing. the sooner we realize that all these male dominated "books' of domination have been used to control a population the better. and the same with politics. Democrats and Republicans are the same thing in more ways then they are different. and we need to come together soon.
Religion is free and undefinable by any 'book', as is "GOD" (?) so by definition everything that is not written down is Religious and everything Written is Manmade.
by defining certain words certain ways thru certain times gives words Power. i think "Bush" is way better at defining and manipulating the masses than is "Islam" though they seem to better at showing emotional outburst on command. but i think that there is only really one side against the rest. the Multinationals playing all other sides against each other. supplying all the know how and weapons to each and every side.
but don't worry, we are now catching on to all of their Good Tricks.
that's why Indigenous cultures always being wiped out all over the world throughout history. don't what to let too many Good Tricks out of the bag. | |
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/9/2006 9:43:15 AM | Ok Dartguy, you've got me. Let's suppose that you are right.
How many things are you tacitly supporting by your own inactions? Lot's of serial killers are white guys. You're a white guy. So, by your theory, if you're not ACTIVELY protesting (which you should do as they are part of a group you belong to) serial killers you must support them?
You're logic does not work. Not on any level. I think you might be one of those "trolls" I keep hearing about.
The actions of the few do not indicate the actions of the many. Inaction does not indicate support. It's just simple, easy to follow logic... | |
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/9/2006 10:10:24 AM |
46 percent -- have a negative view of Islam, seven percentage points higher than in the tense months after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks
UK polls seem to indicate the tide is turning here too.
And I don't think the London bombings themselves are the reason.
Rather it was the half-hearted dissaprovals expressed by "moderate" community leaders
following the event, coupled with the outright indignation expressed by Muslims
on the same London streets where so much blood had been shed just months earlier ....
.....and over cartoons which weren't printed in a single British paper.
The French are increasingly suspicious following the Paris riots and judging from this thread…..
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts3519791.aspx
….the Aussies are too. | |
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/9/2006 10:12:00 AM |
3. The Quaran does not teach hatred, no more so than the Bible. In fact, if you read it, which I have, it actually teaches love and tolerance. Just as the Bible teaches it, which I've also read. The major difference is the teaching that no one is assured they will get to heaven from the Quran teachings..........unless you die (blow yourself up) for your cause.....then you are assured. I don't think their commitment was taken into consderation when the US decided to take them on in battle. . | |
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/9/2006 10:13:44 AM | How many things are you tacitly supporting by your own inactions? Lot's of serial killers are white guys. You're a white guy. So, by your theory, if you're not ACTIVELY protesting (which you should do as they are part of a group you belong to) serial killers you must support them?...
we as a society pursue and punish serial killers and for that matter anyone who breaks the law.....I don't see the mulsims doing that.....the most some of them do is apply a little bit of lip service...... | |
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/9/2006 10:14:36 AM |
Nope, you're right. But it provided quite the justification. No. I dont think it justified it either. The Bible was used by tyrannical forces very improperly. Otherwise, the Crusades would still be going on. | |
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| Negative perceptions of Islam increasing
Posted: 3/9/2006 10:36:51 AM | Archangel,
Rather it was the half-hearted dissaprovals expressed by "moderate" community leaders
following the event, coupled with the outright indignation expressed by Muslims
on the same London streets where so much blood had been shed just months earlier ....
.....and over cartoons which weren't printed in a single British paper.
half-hearted..is your opinion.
The major difference is the teaching that no one is assured they will get to heaven from the Quran teachings..........unless you die (blow yourself up) for your cause.....then you are assured. I don't think their commitment was taken into consderation when the US decided to take them on in battle. .
False and ignorant
Thousands of innocent Palestinian civilians have been killed by Israel, the Jewish state. How many Jews are protesting this in the streets of NY. Does that mean most jews condone the killing of innocent Palestinians? I hope not.
Tens of thousands of Iraqis have been killed in a war that by most accounts was initiated under false pretenses. No, it wasn't a religious war per se, but does it make those lives lost less significant? Yes there have been some anti-war protests, but there is no expectation that every American should be protesting on the streets. I would argue that Americans as a whole are more blameworthy for the loss of innocent lives than any muslim is for lives lost as a result of actions perpetrated by individual muslims. Bush was democratically elected. The London bombers, or even the 9/11 bombers didn't have a mandate to do what they did from the muslim world. Some will argue that Islam justifies their actions. Some muslims may even believe this. The vast majority don't. | |
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