| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 1/31/2005 7:28:47 PM | | Reading some of the threads, I see many here have made up their minds that there is no God or have decided that Christianity is not for them. Fair enough. I would just like to hear how some of you came to these conclusions. No, it is not a set-up to debate you, I just want to know why you do not believe in God or Jesus and what brought you to this decision? | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 1/31/2005 8:07:31 PM | | I guess I really should not have expected too many thoughtful answers to this question. I was hoping someone would mention the writings of Bertrand Russell or Jean Paul Sarte, but I expected smart aleck answers and that is what I got, because most people really do not have a clue to why they believe the way they do. | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 1/31/2005 8:12:52 PM | I share your sentiments, Rd.
What made me believe that Roman Catholicism was not for me was the sheer lies and propaganda it is guilty of.
Also, the RCC is less about the message of God and Jesus and more about Dogma. So, I decided to remove all of the fluff and get back to the real message.
I know you spoke of "Christianity", but I do believe that the RCC was the creator of Christendom as we know it today. | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 1/31/2005 8:18:20 PM | Au contraire, most people of faith hold their beliefs not out of any particular choice, but because they grew up with them. They believe out of habit. Whereas someone like myself, who was raised in a devout Lutheran household, and chose to stop believing in the judeo-christian mythology as a teen, have very specific and defined reasons.
I just like being a smartass. | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 1/31/2005 8:22:33 PM |
Au contraire, most people of faith hold their beliefs not out of any particular choice, but because they grew up with them. They believe out of habit. Whereas someone like myself, who was raised in a devout Lutheran household, and chose to stop believing in the judeo-christian mythology as a teen, have very specific and defined reasons.
That's the story of my life! I grew up RCC, and when I had the chance to question the teachings (and had the balls to get over the 'guilt' of rejecting them) there were NO plausible explanations for the severe contradictions taught to me by my strict and all-encompassing RCC upbringing. | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 1/31/2005 8:27:28 PM | Mr. Plow, that dosen't surprise me. I think most on here who dog Christians just like being smartasses. I created this thread for the purpose of seeing if any of the critics of Christianity really have studied this in depth or were just blowing hot air. So far, the latter seems to be the case. While I do agree with you that many raised in Christian homes probably are not sure why they believe, I would like to hear how you came to the conclusion that Judeo-Christian beliefs were a myth. You did study this in depth I take it? It would be hard to believe that someone would just one day say "I don't believe in God anymore". It is a serious question, and I hope to get some serious answers.
Babylonia, I wish you would start a thread on that topic of the RCC. It goes beyond the scope of this thread but I think it would be an interesting discussion. | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 1/31/2005 8:34:25 PM | | I have never been involved in the Roman Catholic Church so I would not be the person to start such a discussion. I personally do not believe that the RCC had anything to do with the growth of Christianity for the first couple of hundreds years anyways. | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 1/31/2005 8:39:40 PM | You are right, the RCC was not in existence until the schism in the 13th century.
However, Peter was the 'founder' of Catholicism in it's rudimentary form, yet the Nicene Creed was what formed the RCC staple of the Trinity and defined Jesus as a deity rather than a mortal prophet. | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 1/31/2005 9:20:03 PM | There I have to disagree with you. If you read the writings of the Apostolic Fathers in the Pseudopigrapha, Jesus was considered God from the beginning. This was a few centuries earlier than the Nicene Creed.
Peter may have been the first father of the Church, but he was the not the first Pope and had no inclination to start Roman Catholicism. | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 1/31/2005 9:22:14 PM | | my parents sent me to church by myself at age 5...the nice church people got upset when they found out i didn`t have money for them...that`s when i figured the whole rotten plan out...it`s like a sickness...the whole thing is based on lies and deceit...makes we wanna puke just thinking about the whole nasty concept...when i later found out about the way it spread...the Inquisition,the cutting of peoples tounges out,torture,dismemberment...how sick-and the people who follow it are either blind or just as sick | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 1/31/2005 9:32:08 PM | Sorry, RD, we are going to have to disagree on this point.
Whereas Jesus was always considered the son of God, it wasn't until the Nicene Creed that he was considered a deity in the same breadth and strength as God the Father. It was a vote, actually.
Lol...you are also wrong with respect to Peter's role in the RCC. While there was no way Peter could have known about the RCC, it is nonetheless he that the RCC considers to be its first leader.
There are a number of fantastic websites out there if you wish to find this out for yourself. One is religioustolerance.org.
There is so much more info I can type on this subject because I had a deep interest in it and did in fact carry it from highschool (I went to a Catholic High School) into my undergrad studies at at U of T. I moved my interests on over to pol sci after that...naturally (religion/politics - in bed together).
Do some research on the Schism between Orthodoxy and Catholicism, why the shift of the Catholic stronghold from Constantinople to France and then Italy. It's quite interesting - and YES, Catholicism is responsible for the divine "Trinity". | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 1/31/2005 9:35:21 PM | | Bluemeanie, I appreciate your candor. I too probably would have turned my back on the Church if my introduction to it was the same as yours. Like everything else in life, the Church has its opportunists who will one day have to face up to their crimes. The other events you mention I am guessing you are referring to "the Inquistion". This was an act of the Roman Catholic Church who at that time was the biggest political machine in the world. The Inquistion had nothing to do with the Christian Faith and everything to do with Power. I do want to point out that many Christians who disagreed with the RCC were the intended victims of the Inquistion. | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 1/31/2005 9:40:14 PM |
Whereas Jesus was always considered the son of God, it wasn't until the Nicene Creed that he was considered a deity in the same breadth and strength as God the Father. It was a vote, actually.
In order to clarify....it was 'decreed' in the Nicene Creed that God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit were one. This was the formal birth of the Trinity.
Other than Eastern Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism was THE Christianity of the time, and it set the course away from the teachings of Orthodoxy and surpassed it in terms of political strength.
Further, prior to the Schism which split Constantinople (which remained the base for "Greek" Orthodoxy) and what was to be known as the RCC (based first in France, then in Rome) these two veins of Christianity were one. So therefore, Catholicism PRIOR to the schism was what indeed shaped Christendom and influenced it throughout history. | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 1/31/2005 9:52:59 PM | http://reference.allrefer.com/encyclopedia/P/Peter-St-peter-and-the-papacy.html
^^^^Here's is info on "Petrine Supremacy".
I wish I had 100 posts already, so I could've just edited the last one to include this info.
Perhaps a new thread is in order? Your call. | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 2/1/2005 1:04:36 AM | My exit from Christianity started with my frustration that God wasn't helping me avoid sexual temptation no matter how often I prayed etc...
Then all the doubts that had popped up over the years started to make me think more about what I really believed.
I'm just not cut out to be a Christian. I see a lot of people happy that they are...but I'm happier now that I'm not.
http://exchristian.net/index.php
http://www.infidels.org/electronic/email/ex-tian/stories.html
http://www.users.bigpond.com/pmurray/exchristian/ | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 2/1/2005 1:34:03 AM | Well, this being the 'net and an open forum and all that, smartass comments are to be expected - one just has to take them with a grain of salt. Most of the time people are just kidding around. Baiting, otoh, is simply being an *ss, and I don't agree with that.
Nice tattoo, btw. :)
(checks ferry schedules) | |
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| What made you decide that Christianity should be ignored?
Posted: 2/1/2005 2:08:26 AM | What made me turn from Christianity is the fact that they contradicted themselves way too much for my liking. Throughout history, they preached about Jebus, but they wen t as far killing any who wasn't their own. My ancestors fled the old world in 1500s to escape their "ethnic cleansing", which most noe seem to avoid in dicussion. My family made sure the children never forget, and was handed down through genrations to mine. These wer ethe same people preaching that we were supposed to love all and commit no sin LIKE KILLING!! They muredered so many that cultures disappeared of the face of the earth. Who here remembers what it was like before the Christians invaded Europe? My point is proven. Only a handful of us, the ones whose ancestors hid the knowledge of the old world 'till they were alone with their families, actually remember that we, of European ancestry are not of Arabic descendance and therefore, not Christian. They are the world's oldest tyrants.
they told us that if we killed, we'd go to hell, then your God's spokesmen endorse our ancestors' death for not believing...bit of an oxy moron, idnit? The fact that Christians stop doing this for the past forty years, isn't worth mentioning "We don't do that now!" either, 'cause it was still happening in my parents' time. Going blindly in Church is another contradiction...according to the "Good Book" as y'all call it, Jesus only stepped foot in a temple once, then sacked the place. So if he said, and pardon my slang:"Do as I do" why do they not? He never went to church, why do you? He said that all children of God could do what he did, so why can't you? and more importantly, why did you kill most of those who could? your so called "heathens" could heal men by touch or even will, cure many just by saying a few words and giving them herbs, yet your spokesmen of god (priests) called them blasphemers and witches doing the devil's work....most were actually closer to being like Jesus than any church going person ever will be. Hypocrit is the church as, if you look, you will find evidence at the Vatican that point to old ways (what you call witchery) being employed there. The church using old forms of manifesting energy, yet deeming it heresy?
I have much to say on this subject, but am waiting for the 200th posting on my
RELIGIOUS STANDOFF/DEBATE posting..........'till then.
this next part is for all the Jesus freaks out there,
You are still great people and should not be
to disturbed by what I write. Just don't let
the past happen again, keep Jesus off the political
agenda, and let people come to you instead of
holding their hand while draggin' their a$$ to the confession box.
If people believe they will come on their own,
and to try and justify your God all the time poses
question as to why you even need to so bad... maybe
your trying to convince yourself, deep down inside... | |
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