The Value of Women. East vs West Free Dating, Singles and Personals

Joined: 2/8/2005
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The Value of Women. East vs West Posted: 2/9/2005 7:57:48 AM
Most North American women are not aware of the silent male revolution unfolding before them. The revolution of west meets east and the resultant pursuit of common satisfaction. Where women vocalize their sorrows and complaints to everyone within braodcast range, men do not. They simply remain silent as they have been taught to be, then embark upon a different course of action. The new course of action is leaving the states to find romanza. Something most NA women have forgotten. In business, we often determine how we are doing by looking at the results of our actions and benchmarking the competition. Then, we have a clear understanding of how we are performing in the marketplace. So guys, how are NA women measuring up these days???

Joined: 2/8/2005
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The Value of Women. East vs West Posted: 2/9/2005 8:34:38 AM
I will have to ignore the premise to answer the question, having no way to see for myself there is a silent male revolution unfolding. I see a noisy males unravelling. but it's not the same. How do NA women measure up? Nothing has changed since the dawn of time when it comes to men and women, at heart. The difference now is only in the media and methods of expression. Each person is still an individual, each group is still your own idea of them. Maybe the point is, what ideas are commonly availabel fro describing groups of women? In print there are as wide a range of theories about 'how women are these days' as there are types of publications. Take your pick. To me the interesting question is how does this women I am speaking to seem to me? I find that changes depending on the woman. There are similarities based in following archetypes. The current NA archetype that resembles your question is the liberated aggressive feminist woman who is a champion for all women in the war against all men. Fortunately very few women adopt her wholesale. To the extent that she influences behvaior in women, the result is men being put off, and perhaps then eager for an archetype of their own that serves the occasion without too closely resembling the "enemy" of the women's movement. Things tend to settle back down after an adjustment is made. I think the extremes of both sexes have common ground between them where men and women want to get along more than they want to do battle. Nothing is being done by western cultures that isn't also done in eastern ones, although it may seem different on the surface. In all cultures the goal is the same between men and women.

Joined: 2/8/2005
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The Value of Women. East vs West Posted: 2/9/2005 8:44:19 AM
Excellent professional opinion. However, you avoided the question. This is common behavior when one is not familiar with the subject matter.

Sundown32

Joined: 12/25/2004
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The Value of Women. East vs West Posted: 2/9/2005 8:52:22 AM
Well... lets face it. NA women are not taught how to be wives and homemakers any more Its not in our culture If you want a wife and a homemaker you hvae to look where the still produce that kind of commoditiy. But In our country, Everyones taught to get a peace of the American dream. Besides Who the hell teaches men to be husbands and fathers any more. If the girl says Im pregnant, the guy wants a test to see if its his. If it is The girl will be luckey If he pays. Everyone wants a house thats part of the dream but everyone in our country is taught very few skills in making a home, and you can see this every time you look at a person thats been married and divorced at least three times. What is the major part of the American culture Is to get a winning job, or go to School to have that rewarding carrier. The old saying Is true. Americans by tradition, love a winner and wont tollerate a looser. Granted there are some outside forces also at work here. ( He just wants to get laid. She thinks she's in love.) But the underline is the same go to school, Work and get money for success. This is the mark of the winner in this country. Granted there is some social programs in this scheme, In reality noone wants to take care of you, so get up off your duff and go to school or work. With all that said and done what you look at Is a few gentilemen who have or in the process of slicing off this American pie, deciding that they Legitimatly want a family now, and they want someone with a little more home making skills rather than have (and Im not saying All american girs are like this but Hey guys you know what im talking about. ) The increased pressure that a NA gal brings to the table. thesd guys will look to have a family somewhere else. Also I have heard a saying from other countrys that NA men make the best Husbends ans NA women make the worst wives.

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The Value of Women. East vs West Posted: 2/9/2005 8:58:41 AM
Thank you for your comments and I shall cite a good Russian joke whicjh illustrates your closing statement. What is a Russian mans best dream? To live in Russia Eat European Food Drink French Wine Earn American wages Be married to a Russian woman What is his worst nightmare? To live in Russia Earn Russian Wages Eat English Food Drink Romanian Wine Be married to an American woman I was told this joke by several different Russians. They enjoy it!!

scott546

Joined: 1/18/2005
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The Value of Women. East vs West Posted: 2/9/2005 9:00:18 AM
I would love to leave NA to find a better life and companion and would have done so already if not for leaving my son. So in my opinion they are not measuring up too well.

Joined: 2/8/2005
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The Value of Women. East vs West Posted: 2/9/2005 9:03:55 AM
Excellent professional opinion. However, you avoided the question. This is common behavior when one is not familiar with the subject matter. Is this a common reply when one doesn't understand the answer given? The rejection of the premise comes from seeing the question in a wider sense than it can survive. I agree there was no point in answering, beyond the fun of writing. Expressing anger at a group of people doesn't do anything for me, especially as a way of explaining why I have trouble with relationships. But you go ahead and enjoy!

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Msg: 8

The Value of Women. East vs West Posted: 2/9/2005 9:05:02 AM
There are ways to do this Scott. Make a long term plan centered around the seperation date of you and your child. In the meantime, visit a few Baltic States on vacation. Read literature about the target countries to familiarize yourself with their cultures and why they are who they are. Visit a few websites where eatern European women are found. You will notice a huge difference immediately. Good luck to you. There are alternatives thank heavens.

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The Value of Women. East vs West Posted: 2/9/2005 9:10:44 AM
Hapcamp, Your answer was well understood...and professional. But again, not eveyone here is a PHD in human behavior. So, come back to earth and speak plainly to them. One thing I have leaned is that professionals are the ones who can tell you the boundaries of subject matter. Not how to expand the boundaries. As for expressing anger I see none. Only opinions. I do sense undelying hostilities from you however simply because I have an opinion. Perhaps you are a female in disguise? Where is your photo Hapcamp? :) Enjoy.

scott546

Joined: 1/18/2005
Msg: 10

The Value of Women. East vs West Posted: 2/9/2005 7:38:52 PM
Sorry, cant leave my son. If I did I would concider and have researched Costa Rica. I would like to experience the culture and be sure I have an "out" if ex tries anymore legal games. My current situation dictates that I either find another destined to fail relationship with the locals or bring one in from a different culture and risk them becoming americanized. What do you know about importing? How long before they spoil?

squeak365

Joined: 12/21/2004
Msg: 11

The Value of Women. East vs West Posted: 2/9/2005 11:40:02 PM
Funny thing is - I don't notice droves of men looking elsewhere for wives..... This guy must live in his own little world... Somewhere over by his version of Utopia...where men are men and women are slaves... Squeak =\./=

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The Value of Women. East vs West Posted: 2/10/2005 2:35:43 AM
Squeak speaks from an unimformed and biased platform. She has never been anywhere, her opinions have no basis of fact and she deviates from the subject matter. When she brings something of value to the conversation then we are more than willing to listen. Otherwise, she remains just a voice lost in the wilderness.

Joined: 12/13/2004
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The Value of Women. East vs West Posted: 2/10/2005 3:39:41 AM
wondering where you mean when you say "east", as most mean places like china and japan. if so then squeak is very on-target, whether you want to admit it or not. you don't have to have been to a place to know something of it's culture. what most refer to as "eastern" cultures, are very much geared towards keeping women as docile as possible. your arrogant attitude does not make you sound any more intelligent, nor does your obvious condescension towards the only other woman to post on this thread. the only men i know of who would want a woman from an eastern culture are the ones who have the "keep 'em barefoot and pregnant" attitude. a REAL man, who doesn't feel threatened by an intelligent, independent woman who's not afraid to speak her mind and insists on treated with the respect due an equal, isn't interested in a doormat. most american women have an excellent appreciation for romance, we just hardly ever see any actual examples of it. what we usually get are cheap come-ons from guys who can't handle rejection of any kind. you seem to think all it should take is a "well composed e-mail" to get a favorable response. if this garbage is typical of what you write, i can understand why you get blown off. try some sincerety, if that's not too modern a concept for you. like squeak, i haven't noticed any mass exodus from the u.s. by men, nor do i really hear many men express the desire for women from other countries for any other reason than they are more exotic due to accents, etc. what "silent revolution"? i have never known very many men who could keep from b!tching about ANYTHING, let alone that they have a problem with the attitudes of women. what you have a problem with is that american women have found their voices, and have issues with being treated as lesser creatures. are you still pissed that we get to vote? read my profile before you come up with another dismissive response. i have never been the doormat type, and do want that in a man either. i have, through much searching, found a man who is very romantic, intelligent, and caring, who is STRONG enough, and secure enough in his masculinity not to feel threatened by a strong woman. one possibility that you refused to consider in your diatribe against american women, is that maybe it's not the women who are the problem. if you have a problem with the attitude of american women, consider the fact that it's american men that gave it to us. i will never say that there are no good men, as i know and work with some truely exceptional ones, but they are in the minority.

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The Value of Women. East vs West Posted: 2/10/2005 3:54:34 AM
good men are in the minority? is this gender, or are good women also in the minority? just curious if your view of people is dim, or if it is just your view of men that is dim.

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The Value of Women. East vs West Posted: 2/10/2005 4:05:21 AM
people in general, darlin'. i'm a paramedic, so i see a lot of the worst crap that people are capable of. that, however, wasn't the topic of discussion. the person who posted this was putting down american women and implying that most men, including him, are merely poor, downtrodden angels who are unjustly persecuted by the bad women in this country.

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The Value of Women. East vs West Posted: 2/10/2005 4:34:39 AM
I think you proved his premise by saying that most are bad and only some are good. This hostility towards men is universal, or cultural? Blaming a group for your disdain of it seems reasonable unless the culpability of the group is not obvious. My experience with people is both the good and bad they are capable of. I was talking to a guy who quit his job as a cop, and he said it was because the job put him in contact with people at their worst, and he didn't like how it was changing his attitude about people. I don't know whether I am overly sensitive to hostility towards men, or if there really is as much as I think there is. From my view it is extreme these days. To imagine there were women somewhere on the planet that did not share your very dim view of men would seem too good to be true. In this I have to agree that my own view of women is equally dim. I keep meeting individual women who claim to like men themselves, but who also share in this idea that good men are rare. Whether I am a good or bad man seems to depend on whether or not I agree with what they are saying at the moment. Popular culture presents men as stupid, lazy, dishonest, and worse. This forum is generally hostile, and much of it is women reminding one another that most men are pigs, but there are a few good ones. A woman feels badly, a man is to blame. A marriage ends, the man did something wrong. I say a play here some years ago that treated this with humor. The darkness onstage was suddenly broken by a bright spotlight, a woman standing with a book, announcing her poem about love. She reads a few lines about her hopes being dashed, life ruined, etc, then a pause, and "He did it!" , with great emphasis on He. Then a few more lines, another pause, and the chorus again, He Did It! Everyone was howling, because we have all been there. Then the stage went dark again and a man showed up to read his poem..."She did it!". It is unfortunate when any one group sees itself opposed to another. I see how it happens. Th significant thing to me is that attitude and prejudice greatly influence how people end up being treated. To go out into the world thinking of most men being bad, well, that has to have an effect.

Joined: 12/13/2004
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The Value of Women. East vs West Posted: 2/10/2005 4:50:21 AM
guess you didn't read my last post dude. i think PEOPLE, in general, suck. think i'm wrong? ever notice how many people will slow down to LOOK at a car wreck? i'm talking about before the first responders get there. how many ever stop to help? i happen to like a lot of men, and have spent a lot of time DEFENDING the opposite sex in these forums(take a look at MEN=@SSHOLES if you don't believe). in the first post i was addressing the person who posted this. i happened to like your first post here, too. notice that the original poster cut you down the same way he did squeak? almost in the same words too. by the way, if you are one of the men who doesn't suck, then you aren't part of the problem.

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The Value of Women. East vs West Posted: 2/10/2005 5:02:35 AM
I brought on the personal attack by addressing you. It was a mistake. I should have kept my comments general.

Joined: 12/13/2004
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The Value of Women. East vs West Posted: 2/10/2005 5:05:47 AM
huh? i wasn't attacking you. relax, dude.

squeak365

Joined: 12/21/2004
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The Value of Women. East vs West Posted: 2/10/2005 8:41:22 AM
wondering where you mean when you say "east", as most mean places like china and japan. "arabianknight's" profile says Minnesota......and my, he looks mid eastern too...not whoooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaa That is East --- of the Rockies anyway... Seems to me someone is living in his own little corner of the "East" Squeak =\./= Everyone is free to be themselves around me <- THIS IS IN HIS PROFILE...... Yet he says derogatory things to women...what I think he meant is MEN CAN BE THEMSELVES AROUND ME...women must be quiet and submissive....gag choke gag....another sheepherder me thinks... Dude, stop - you are hurting my feelings.....I might just have to - um - ah - nope - not gonna happen...never mind.....

Joined: 12/13/2004
Msg: 21

The Value of Women. East vs West Posted: 2/10/2005 10:58:20 AM
nice to have you back, squeak. i didn't think you'd be terribly disturbed by mr. dismissive. apparently he can't come up with a decent argument when anyone disagrees with him, so he pulls the "i am all-knowing, and you are a plebian" ploy. he's so infatuated with himself it's a wonder he even wants a woman... that's in reference to the original poster, so nobody else get yer knickers in a twist.

blackmanx

Joined: 10/28/2004
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The Value of Women. East vs West Posted: 2/10/2005 11:04:40 AM
North American women are among the most misandristic and violent females I've ever encountered. The system is built to let them get away with anything. NA men dont speak up for themselves....yet. It will happen, though. I KNOW that men can hate women a lot more than women can hate men. Trust in that. I hope that the genders can resolve their differences peacefully and create a non-anti-male, non gender-biased justice system. Otherwise you'll have countless angry men becoming violent towards women on a continental scale. It wont be pretty. I've seen it happen. Men are taught to respect women but women dont respect them anymore and think that they can hurt a man and push him to the limit without him reacting. They think that calling police can solve all their issues. Guess what ? most cops are men. Men dont like women anymore. They are just horny. I say men should stand up for themselves and demand their rights PEACEAFULLY and that women should take a look at themselves and stop being misandrists or man-hating feminazis otherwise the results wont be pretty.....at all.