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 joefixit

Joined: 11/17/2004
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Posted: 2/10/2005 3:42:36 PM
SENATE BILL S. 3: The Protecting America in the War on Terror Act of 2005
What does this Bill mean to children with autism?

Here are some key points to SB.3:
- S.3 preempts state legislation on vaccines, repeals CA and IA mercury-ban bills and stops others in their tracks, prevents states from even warning people about thimerosal (MERCURY), controls regulation of vaccine safety and restricts access to information (in other words, sealing documents that contain valuable information about our children's illness).

for more info, google up: National Autism Association
Click on the radio portion
 26yearoldguy

Joined: 3/22/2006
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Posted: 11/28/2006 7:00:02 PM
Frig that dosen't sound good.

The mercury in vaccines is serious @$#$. It pretty much caused problems for my brother he got a bad fever and regressed a year in speech. He's smart as a whip but it did give him some problems.
 newguyinventura

Joined: 5/18/2006
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Posted: 11/28/2006 9:06:45 PM
If you think the current vaccines are bad, please for the love of god dont vaccinate your kids. Allow the gene pool to thin a little.
 SoTexMan

Joined: 8/23/2005
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Posted: 11/28/2006 9:41:00 PM
Hey, all:

Well, doesn't everyone know they faked research showing that thimerosal wasn't implicated in the incidence of autism? So they could let Big Pharma off the hook? This is the U.S. government--"of the people, by the people, for the people"?! HEARINGS!!!!!

This bill will further indemnify Big Pharma, and they are trying to push it through with these goddam lame duck Republican corporate whores. And Joe Lieberman.

David


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 Outdoor2

Joined: 4/1/2006
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Posted: 11/28/2006 9:43:21 PM
^^^^Cripes...thats harsh words....(new guy)....true, nonetheless.
I have 4 nieces/nephews...first 2...no vaccines...no problem...2nd two got vaccines...they have problems....
 newguyinventura

Joined: 5/18/2006
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Posted: 11/28/2006 10:20:15 PM
I went to a small school, roughly 80 kids per grade, k-12.

All were required to be vaccinated before entering kindergarten.

None had issues after the vaccinations. Hell, I havent heard one story from my old k-12 school of any kids having issues caused by vaccinations.

kinda a small sample but still, a 0 percent occurance.

You must be the same people that somehow believe that aspartame and mercury will end all human life? or is being used as mind control?

Look at japan for example, as a culture, they survive off fish. Don't you think the whole mercury thing woulda been a problem for them?

EDIT - In response to sissy VVVVVV

I think I already professed my love for you in another thread :)
 Redheadgidget

Joined: 11/3/2005
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Posted: 11/28/2006 10:28:25 PM
ventura,

I wish you were about 20...oh heck...even 10 yrs older. You are one guy I would pursue.

We think so similar on several issues I've noticed on forums here.

OT:

Without vaccination, look what is coming back...or has the 'news' 'stats' not been watched by those who would have vaccination halted. I'm glad we had em back when I did.

And, agree on the mercury.

Hell, anything overdone can cause problems. Common sense. Simple concept.
 Sombient

Joined: 9/29/2006
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Posted: 11/29/2006 5:17:07 PM
If very small quantities of preservatives in vaccinations cause autism, then why are there so many children with autism (CDC released a new study this year documenting the rapid rate of increase in autistic symptoms in children surveyed over a 10-yr period.

Its not the mercury thats the cause. Its something far more sinister. Its a lack of adequate glutathione in developing infants and youngsters.. And it has its start in the influence of hormones (stress, insulin, and sex hormones), nicotine, and an important gene regulatory process called methylation, in parental gametes. The mental wellness and stress status of the mother during egg formation and after fertilization is key.

It boils down a lack of the very same nutrient factors that can help reverse the symptoms in young children.

While the brains neurophysiology is altered, the gene expression problems can be partially (in the most severe cases) and nearly totally corrected by diet and supplements in the more average autistic child.

The evidence for thimoseral is weak. Here is why it may play a minor role:

Mercury toxicity is kept in check by selenium.

Low selenium, low glutathione (this potent free radical scavenger must be recycled by proteins that have selenium at their core; this is the body's primary defense against free-radical oxidation that occurs naturally in all cells, from glucose metabolism)

Low glutathione, low stress fighting ability and elevated neuroexcitability. (glutathione is also converted to another compound that actively regulates stress hormone activity in cells)

Low glutathione, low methylation rates. (glutathione synthesis is tied directly to methyl group chemistry in liver)

Low methylation rates, excitatoxicity plus elevated stress hormone in Mom and Dad--> autism

This dietary and lifestyle induced shortage of methyl groups and glutathione activity is now common in most adults and very common in sedentary children fed unhealthy diets


So this association between the mercury in thiomeral and the incidence of autism is conincidental, an indicator of a larger problem in maternal health and in childhood lifestyle habits.

This is what the refuting evidence reports stated. I am simplifying the chemistry.

Pay attention. This is important. Where you find autism, you find a bevy of other chronic disease once unheard of in children, and now rapidly becoming commonplace.

 ecleo

Joined: 11/16/2006
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Posted: 11/29/2006 6:10:59 PM
I'm pleased to see a discussion concerning children and vaccinations. My son is a nonvaccinated, BEAUTIFULLY HEALTHY four year old. While it may not be everyone's choice, I advise parents who do not feel comfortable with vaccinations to trust their instincts.

Sombient (above) made excellent points. I do not think mercury is the sole cause of autism, but the correlation was too high for me, personally, to take a chance, especially with a male child. In addition, I don't practice western medicine, so nonvaccination reflects my beliefs and lifestyle.
 Sombient

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Posted: 11/29/2006 6:55:20 PM
Every cell in your body uses oxygen. Oxygen is chemically combined is used to make energy. A side product of this reaction is called 'free radicals' - chemically hyper-active oxygen.

Your body makes a special compound, called glutathione. It used sulfur to take up the extra energy from hyper-active oxygen, making it act normally (not destructively).

Selenium is needed in to take away the energy absorbed by the glutathione, so that gluthione can repeat its 'scavenging'.

You make glutathione from amino acids present in foods. In order to make glutathione, you must have: B vitamins, zinc and vitamin C.

These are often shorted in fast food laden diets. Glutathione is also produced in response to energy consumed. It makes sense if you think about it. More energy made --> more free radicals formed, more glutathione needed to 'scavenge'.

Glutathione is also converted to two other very similar compounds that control brain functions, called neurotransmitters.

They are made in liver, where glutathione is made. They counteract stress effects in the body, as does glutathione, since stress caused energy consumption.

Bad diet, rich in saturated fats, low in fresh vegetables and fruits and high in simple sugars, causes livers to malfunction.

Bad diet, low in fiber, causes the GI tract to malfunction. It stops being able to regulate cholesterol and bile acids, and this leads to a problems with vitamins A and D made in liver. Fiber also keeps bile acids in check. Stress causes bile acids to be made very acidic. These excess acidic bile acids act like drugs throughout the body and brain when they are not bound up by dietary fiber and removed from the body.

Bad diet and lack of exercise, causes liver malfunction to slow down the production of stress fighting compounds I've mentioned.

These stress compounds DIRECTLY turn on genes that are normally kept quiet. We call them 'silenced' meaning that they are not actively read and made into cell products.

Autistic children have problems with stress related compounds in the brain and other cells, especially the liver.

They also have gut problems - they don't absorb and convert the necessary cofactors - those B vitamins, zinc and vitamin C.

They also have another liver malfunction, they don't make and cycle what we call 'methyl groups'. These methyl groups also control gene expression.

And its why autistic children respond to dietary, lifestyle (sleep regulation) and supplements.

I hope this makes more sense. Sorry for the terminology, its very difficult not to use at least a few terms to describe the purported (suspected) cause of this condition and its effective treatment.
 SoTexMan

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Posted: 11/29/2006 7:52:19 PM

Provide citations that prove
low glutathione
causes
autism.


http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/06/16/thimerosal/index.html

"Deadly Immunity"

First 4 paragraphs:


June 16, 2005 | In June 2000, a group of top government scientists and health officials gathered for a meeting at the isolated Simpsonwood conference center in Norcross, Ga. Convened by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the meeting was held at this Methodist retreat center, nestled in wooded farmland next to the Chattahoochee River, to ensure complete secrecy. The agency had issued no public announcement of the session -- only private invitations to 52 attendees. There were high-level officials from the CDC and the Food and Drug Administration, the top vaccine specialist from the World Health Organization in Geneva, and representatives of every major vaccine manufacturer, including GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, Wyeth and Aventis Pasteur. All of the scientific data under discussion, CDC officials repeatedly reminded the participants, was strictly "embargoed." There would be no making photocopies of documents, no taking papers with them when they left.

The federal officials and industry representatives had assembled to discuss a disturbing new study that raised alarming questions about the safety of a host of common childhood vaccines administered to infants and young children. According to a CDC epidemiologist named Tom Verstraeten, who had analyzed the agency's massive database containing the medical records of 100,000 children, a mercury-based preservative in the vaccines -- thimerosal -- appeared to be responsible for a dramatic increase in autism and a host of other neurological disorders among children. "I was actually stunned by what I saw," Verstraeten told those assembled at Simpsonwood, citing the staggering number of earlier studies that indicate a link between thimerosal and speech delays, attention-deficit disorder, hyperactivity and autism. Since 1991, when the CDC and the FDA had recommended that three additional vaccines laced with the preservative be given to extremely young infants -- in one case, within hours of birth -- the estimated number of cases of autism had increased fifteenfold, from one in every 2,500 children to one in 166 children.

Even for scientists and doctors accustomed to confronting issues of life and death, the findings were frightening. "You can play with this all you want," Dr. Bill Weil, a consultant for the American Academy of Pediatrics, told the group. The results "are statistically significant." Dr. Richard Johnston, an immunologist and pediatrician from the University of Colorado whose grandson had been born early on the morning of the meeting's first day, was even more alarmed. "My gut feeling?" he said. "Forgive this personal comment -- I do not want my grandson to get a thimerosal-containing vaccine until we know better what is going on."

But instead of taking immediate steps to alert the public and rid the vaccine supply of thimerosal, the officials and executives at Simpsonwood spent most of the next two days discussing how to cover up the damaging data. According to transcripts obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, many at the meeting were concerned about how the damaging revelations about thimerosal would affect the vaccine industry's bottom line.



http://www.jpands.org/vol11no1/geier.pdf

Early Downward Trends in
Neurodevelopmental Disorders Following Removal
of Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines


ABSTRACT
Contemporaneously with the epidemic rise in neurodevelopmental
disorders (NDs), first observed in the United States
during the 1990s, the childhood immunization schedule was
expanded by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
(CDC) to include several additional thimerosal-containing vaccines
(TCVs). On July 7, 1999, a joint recommendation was made by the
American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) and the U.S. Public Health
Service (PHS) to remove thimerosal from vaccines. A two-phase
study was undertaken to evaluate trends in diagnosis of new NDs
entered into the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System
(VAERS) and the California Department of Developmental Services
(CDDS) databases on a reporting quarter basis, from 1994 through
2005. Significant increasing trends in newly diagnosed NDs were
observed in both databases 1994 through mid-2002. Significant
decreasing trends in newly diagnosed NDs were observed in both
databases from mid-2002 through 2005. The results indicate that
the trends in newly diagnosed NDs correspond directly to the
expansion and subsequent contraction of the cumulative mercury
dose to which children were exposed from TCVs through the U.S.
immunization schedule.

Background
In 2004, the Department of Health and Human Services and
the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) issued an Autism
A.L.A.R.M., stating that 1 in 166 children currently have an
autistic disorder, and 1 in 6 children have a developmental and/or
behavioral disorder. Autism, once rare, is now more prevalent
than childhood cancer, diabetes, and Down syndrome. Epidemic
trends in neurodevelopmental disorders (NDs) were first
observed in the United States during the 1990s, and cannot be
explained by immigration, changed diagnostic criteria, or
improved identification.


Big Pharma. Coverup. Corporate whores. Indemnification. SB3. A puzzle with five pieces. Put it together.


"Practically..."
 newguyinventura

Joined: 5/18/2006
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Posted: 11/29/2006 8:28:53 PM
I say we vote mercury as the problem for everything, then we have solved the problem once and for all.

I can't even begin to wonder how people can believe this crap. We've been vaccinating kids for 60 years, all the sudden autism gets national attention and we blame the..................OMG OF COURSE ITS THE VACCINES!!!!!!!

Tell that to all the kids that had polio, small pox, and other diseases that are vaccinated against. This anti-vaccine crap makes me sick to me stomach.

Just remember, history repeats itself, so when polio or another disease comes back strong and hammers your unvaccinated kid, don't go crying to the government or anyone else for help, this is your own fault.

I seriously just want to scream, I'm only 24 and even I have read how bad things were before vaccines.

I'm done ranting, I'm gonna go vomit now.
 gabryela

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Posted: 11/29/2006 8:45:26 PM
Let's be neither hair-trigger nor wilfully ignorant here.

The question is, has mercury (thimerosal) preservative been used in vaccines for 60+ years? The vaccines we adults received as children may not have contained this components, thus we did not see the upsurge in neurological disorders now observed. (The incredible prevalence of these problems should alarm ANYONE - 1 in 166 autistic? 1 in 6 with behavioral problems?)

So, WHEN DID MERCURY BEGIN TO APPEAR IN VACCINES?
 Sombient

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Posted: 11/29/2006 8:50:49 PM

Pervasive Developmental Disorders in Montreal, Quebec, Canada: Prevalence and Links With Immunizations. PEDIATRICS Vol. 118 No. 1 July 2006, pp. e139-e150

BACKGROUND. The prevalence of pervasive developmental disorders has increased in recent years. Links with the measles component of the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine and the cumulative exposure to thimerosal through other vaccines have been postulated.

OBJECTIVES. The purpose of this work was to estimate the pervasive developmental disorder prevalence in Montreal, Canada, in cohorts born from 1987 to 1998 and evaluate the relationship of trends in pervasive developmental disorder rates with: (1) changes in cumulative exposure to ethylmercury (thimerosal) occurring through modifications in the immunization schedule of young children and (2) trends in measles-mumps-rubella vaccination use rates and the introduction of a 2–measles-mumps-rubella dosing schedule during the study period.

METHODS. We surveyed 27749 children born from 1987 to 1998 attending 55 schools from the largest Anglophone school board. Children with pervasive developmental disorders were identified by a special needs team. The cumulative exposure by age 2 years to thimerosal was calculated for 1987–1998 birth cohorts. Ethylmercury exposure ranged from medium (100–125 µg) from 1987 to 1991 to high (200–225 µg) from 1992 to 1995 to nil from 1996 onwards when thimerosal was entirely discontinued. Measles-mumps-rubella coverage for each birth cohort was estimated through surveys of vaccination rates. The immunization schedule included a measles-mumps-rubella single dose at 12 months of age up to 1995, and a second measles-mumps-rubella dose at 18 months of age was added on after 1996.

RESULTS. We found 180 children (82.8% males) with a pervasive developmental disorder diagnosis who attended the surveyed schools, yielding a prevalence for pervasive developmental disorder of 64.9 per 10000. The prevalence for specific pervasive developmental disorder subtypes were, for autistic disorder: 21.6 of 10000; for pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified: 32.8 of 10000; and for Asperger syndrome: 10.1 of 10000. A statistically significant linear increase in pervasive developmental disorder prevalence was noted during the study period. The prevalence of pervasive developmental disorder in thimerosal-free birth cohorts was significantly higher than that in thimerosal-exposed cohorts (82.7 of 10000 vs 59.5 of 10000). Using logistic regression models of the prevalence data, we found no significant effect of thimerosal exposure used either as a continuous or a categorical variable. Thus, thimerosal exposure was unrelated to the increasing trend in pervasive developmental disorder prevalence. These results were robust when additional analyses were performed to address possible limitations because of the ecological nature of the data and to evaluate potential effects of misclassification on exposure or diagnosis. Measles-mumps-rubella vaccination coverage averaged 93% during the study interval with a statistically significant decreasing trend from 96.1% in the older birth cohorts (1988–89) to ~92.4% in younger birth cohorts (1996–1998). Thus, pervasive developmental disorder rates significantly increased when measles-mumps-rubella vaccination uptake rates significantly decreased. In addition, pervasive developmental disorder prevalence increased at the same rate before and after the introduction in 1996 of the second measles-mumps-rubella dose, suggesting no increased risk of pervasive developmental disorder associated with a 2–measles-mumps-rubella dosing schedule before age 2 years. Results held true when additional analyses were performed to test for the potential effects of misclassification on exposure or diagnostic status. Thus, no relationship was found between pervasive developmental disorder rates and 1- or 2-dose measles-mumps-rubella immunization schedule.

CONCLUSIONS. The prevalence of pervasive developmental disorder in Montreal was high, increasing in recent birth cohorts as found in most countries. Factors accounting for the increase include a broadening of diagnostic concepts and criteria, increased awareness and, therefore, better identification of children with pervasive developmental disorders in communities and epidemiologic surveys, and improved access to services. The findings ruled out an association between pervasive developmental disorder and either high levels of ethylmercury exposure comparable with those experienced in the United States in the 1990s or 1- or 2-dose measles-mumps-rubella vaccinations.


Full paper: http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/118/1/e139


Assessment of metallothionein and antibodies to metallothionein in normal and autistic children having exposure to vaccine-derived thimerosal. Pediatr Allergy Immunol. 2006 Jun;17(4):291-6.

Allergic autoimmune reaction after exposure to heavy metals such as mercury may play a causal role in autism, a developmental disorder of the central nervous system. As metallothionein (MT) is the primary metal-detoxifying protein in the body, we conducted a study of the MT protein and antibodies to metallothionein (anti-MT) in normal and autistic children whose exposure to mercury was only from thimerosal-containing vaccines. Laboratory analysis by immunoassays revealed that the serum level of MT did not significantly differ between normal and autistic children. Furthermore, autistic children harboured normal levels of anti-MT, including antibodies to isoform MT-I (anti-MT-I) and MT-II (anti-MT-II), without any significant difference between normal and autistic children. Our findings indicate that because autistic children have a normal profile of MT and anti-MT, the mercury-induced autoimmunity to MT may not be implicated in the pathogenesis of autism.
 Sombient

Joined: 9/29/2006
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Posted: 11/29/2006 9:36:01 PM
The only publications to date that call into question thimerosal have been a father and son research team. They published three recent articles (2005-06).

Read the Wikipedia webpage and decide:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Geier

BTW, they are under investigation for promoting use of a highly questionable chelation therapy for the supposedly mercury afflicted children - a thriving private business for them that has raised ethics questions among the autism caregiver and research community.

Can we say "conflict of interest"??
 newguyinventura

Joined: 5/18/2006
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Posted: 11/29/2006 11:48:12 PM
The prevalence of pervasive developmental disorders has increased in recent years. Links with the measles component of the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine and the cumulative exposure to thimerosal through other vaccines have been postulated.


I'll bet they just started studying these disorders recently too, or it could be the fact that there are 150 million more people in the US than back in the 40's?

Or maybe we could go a step further and say it's the mothers diet that is to blame. Hell, I can postulate 100 different things about what's wrong with todays youth. Perhaps the drug culture of the 60's caused genetic defects to pass through the sperm and now it's generational, should I keep creating these neat postulations? All of which could have just as much proof as the thermosil crap if it was studied by one group of scientists. Perhaps I should write the government for a grant to do this research! Then I too can make money off fear mongering!!

BLAME TUNA!!!
 SoTexMan

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Posted: 11/29/2006 11:52:09 PM
Hey, all:


The only publications to date that call into question thimerosal have been a father and son research team. They published three recent articles (2005-06).
Uh, wrong:

http://www.generationrescue.org/pdf/pages/evidence_reports.pdf
Looks like there are a lot more than just one Dad and Jr. team.

And, here is a pretty good page to examine:

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/new_page_4.htm

Hmmm, let's look at the Wikipedia Thimerosal (ethylmercury) entry and the Timeline there.

Oh, by the way, here's a leetle secret--come closer--a little more--okay--now listen up: Mercury has no known metabolic function in any living thing. It is universally toxic. Got that? Oh, wait--also, the body has great difficulty eliminating mercury from the body--once it's there it tends to stay.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thimerosal

Vaccines with ethylmercury, starting with the mid-1980s--DPT, HIB, Hep B, more HIB---oh, what's this? In 1999 the American Academy of Pediatrics called for removal of thimerosal from all pediatric vaccines. Hmmm, precedes Geier and Geier....

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/104/3/568

[B]ecause any potential risk is of concern, the US Public Health Service (USPHS), the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), and vaccine manufacturers agree that thimerosal-containing vaccines should be removed as soon as possible. Similar conclusions were reached this year in a meeting attended by European regulatory agencies, the European vaccine manufacturers, and the US FDA, which examined the use of thimerosal-containing vaccines produced or sold in European countries. The USPHS and the AAP are working collaboratively to ensure that the replacement of thimerosal-containing vaccines takes place as expeditiously as possible while at the same time ensuring that our high vaccination coverage levels and their associated low disease levels throughout our entire childhood population are maintained.


And the Wiki entry Thiomersal (ethylmercury) controversy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal_controversy


From the early 1970s until present day, the number of vaccines regularly received by children in the US before the age of four has risen from two or three to up to twenty-two.
This is why we have seen a rise in developmental problems: the use of ethylmercury in vaccines for infants and children was much more limited before the 70s. It rose to its highest levels in the 90s.

Should we be injecting babies and children with a toxic substance that requires a MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet)?

http://www.909shot.com/HgNo/msds.pdf

We tell pregnant women not to eat large pelagic finfish, because of the bioaccumulated mercury present in the tissues of the fish are consumed and cross the placenta and the blood-brain barrier of the fetuses. We tell them not to do that, then inject their babies directly starting at less than 2 months of age.

The toxic effect of organic mercury have been known since 1860.
Hunter, D. (1969) Diseases of Occupations. Little Brown & Co., London.


Whose interest is served by ignoring the clear connection between ethylmercury and developmental problems in vertebrate brains, including human children, and instead focusing only on still more and more detailed molecular biochemistry? All of it has its place--but the known danger of ethylmercury has been around for many generations. And yet we don't see.


Can we say "conflict of interest"??

*squints, crosses eyes, eyes roll back into head*

All of this is another in a long line of risk assessment exercises by the corporate oligarchy-controlled government in public health, where the risk is assumed by the public and Big Pharma assesses its billions of dollars in healthy profit. So goes the corporate oligarchy.


David


"...Heartless."
 neil89

Joined: 8/16/2006
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Posted: 11/30/2006 8:16:52 AM
and what about the mercury in the silver amalgam fillings dentists put in people's mouths????
 Trewq36

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Posted: 11/30/2006 8:31:11 AM
Like David said, Mercury is Toxic, to every living thing. Know where the term "Mad Hatter" comes from? Mercury was used in the making of Hats, People who made hats had their brains eaten away. We have known this for a loooooooong looooooong time.

Why would anyone put mercury anywhere near their bodies?


many at the meeting were concerned about how the damaging revelations about thimerosal would affect the vaccine industry's bottom line.


Follow the Money. They don't care about our well being only their bottom line.
Snake Oil Salesmen in three piece suits are still sellin snake oil.

People eat more fruit.
 Internetdatingpariah

Joined: 10/17/2004
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Posted: 11/30/2006 8:45:01 AM
Mercury is toxic...
Thimerasol is not mercury. It is a mercury containing compound.
Sodium Hydroxide is a caustic.
Hydrochloric acid is a strong inorganic acid.

Yet mix them together and you get NaCl...table salt.
 SoTexMan

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Posted: 11/30/2006 9:18:40 AM
Hey, all:

^^^Sorry, weak understanding of basic chemistry--thimerosal is ethylmercury, with the mercury atom on one end, and the bond is easily and handily broken in the body, yielding elemental mercury, at which point it causes widespread injury to a large array of organs. Even at low concentrations it causes the destruction of brain cells, slowing and denying normal developmental processes. Embryonic brains of fetuses and growing brains of newborns are especially vulnerable to this damage.

Vastly different from NaCl--both are essential elements--biogenesis likely began in water with high levels of NaCl. In stark contrast, read what I wrote about mercury above--mercury has no known metabolic function in any living thing. It is universally toxic. Don't make the mistake of confusing classes of chemicals based on your understanding.

You'll have to do much, much, much better to find a valid comparison. You might consider lead, cadmium, arsenic, selenium, or all the heavy metals, etc. Understand, though, that these will not support your position.

David



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 Internetdatingpariah

Joined: 10/17/2004
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Posted: 11/30/2006 9:43:38 AM
Gee tex, I wasn't comparing the two really, just the fact that you can take two or more toxic and deadly compounds react them and the result is non-toxic.

I thought that was obvious.

Oh, btw...sorry for my limited understanding of basic chemistry theory.
I've only been a scientist for a little over 25 years.
Now I work in medical devices for one of them evil pharma co's.
My apologies.
 Trewq36

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Posted: 11/30/2006 10:29:30 AM
Oh yea for those in Ontario at least, it has been reported that this year's Flu Shot uses the same "mercury containing compound".
Think about it before you get one.
 cedar77

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Posted: 11/30/2006 8:11:21 PM
OP....
I think that there is alot of controversy on whether or not vaccines are causing autism .....and personally from what I have read I think there is a strong possibility they are atleast very suspect.
One of the reasons vaccines look guilty to me is that there seems to be a huge effort to repress honest inquiry into whether they are responsible or not .
The system attempts to marginalize anyone who ask's too many questions...this raises my suspicion!
The other thing that concerns me is that the system seem's bent on forcing vaccines and flu shots ...all the while the controversy increases...not good!!
And if this isn't serious stuff ....I don't know what is!!!
 cedar77

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Posted: 11/30/2006 8:48:50 PM
OP......
IMO .....I think that when it comes to general health there is essentially one extremely large factor ....Immune system .
It seems to me most all the disease today is related to damaged or disfunctional or over active immune systems .
I think that the human immune system is extremely complex and well beyond man's understanding at present ...and to meddle with it through vaccines seems to me to be a very dangerous prospect.
If chronic illness of every sort is on the rise in tandem with the proliferation of vaccinations then vaccines have to be at the very least suspect....personally I would have gone with a natural healthy un-altered immune system and relied on my natural defenses ....(had I had the choice!!)
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