| Religion is a joke!
Posted: 4/24/2006 10:58:04 PM | | would anyone here like to explain to me how the earth was created 6000 years ago according to the bible and how anything in the book could be fact.. I honestly think you would have to be very small minded to still beleive the world is governed by one divine power. | |
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AK338
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Joined: 3/14/2006
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| Religion is a joke!
Posted: 4/24/2006 11:08:20 PM | | Is it possible that your unbelief in God is actually an unwillingness to submit to Him? | |
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| Religion is a joke!
Posted: 4/24/2006 11:15:16 PM | | is that 6000 literal years, or "figurative" years. And as for radio carbon dating and the "theories" on how old the universe and the earth really are, how can you believe them, they aren't even close to accurate. Think ya better take a closer look before you judge, stories from the bible aren't put there entirely as fact, but as simple analogies for the purpose of explaining God and his teachings to ALL. Only a fool would take the Bible for 100% truth, but it's teachings can help us live better lives, all you have to do is try and you'll see that it does make a difference. | |
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AK338
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Joined: 3/14/2006
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| Religion is a joke!
Posted: 4/24/2006 11:28:36 PM |
explain to me how the earth was created 6000 years ago according to the bible
The Bible contains geneologies starting with Adam to Jesus, taking into account how long they lived(recorded), it's about a 4,000 year span. Then tac on another 2,000 years and you get 6,000 years. : ) | |
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| Religion is a joke!
Posted: 4/24/2006 11:54:27 PM | OK Noga, so you do not have faith that God is there. Would you like to explain to us how you came to put so much faith in carbon dating?
I am sure you will give an intelligent well thought out reponse that you have been working on for years. | |
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| Religion is a joke!
Posted: 4/25/2006 4:42:19 AM | who here said they had faith in carbon dating?
i believe in the Christian, muslim, jewish and other gods, but i do not worship them. i merely like to observe. furthermore, i also believe that the current war we are facing against terrorism will escalate into our third World War. WWI and WWII were both wars of Empires, Wars of Nations. after those wars, the races were more unified in the belief that we are all equal. the Third War, WWIII is at our doorstep, and it will be the War of the Gods. i believe that the gods are dying, and this war will be how they have decided their death. science (not scientology) will be the new religion of the world, and it will unify us even more by assigning us goals to further our civilizations as one and continue out of the modern age and into the space age.
the reason i do not worship the gods is because the major gods of the world try to lure you in by appealing to your own greed. (as a christian, you rule in heaven as kings beside God. as a Muslim, you recieve 40 virgins.) i do, however respect other people's beliefs, and when someone offers a prayer i do enjoy praying with them. | |
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| Religion is a joke!
Posted: 4/25/2006 6:51:41 AM | Message: would anyone here like to explain to me how the earth was created 6000 years ago according to the bible and how anything in the book could be fact.. I honestly think you would have to be very small minded to still beleive the world is governed by one divine power. Yes, much smarter to think we came from Monkeys and a big accidental bang in the cosmos. | |
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| Religion is a joke!
Posted: 4/25/2006 1:38:30 PM | Does everyone supporting the bible here actually believe the earth is only 6,000 years old?
I just want to be clear what people are arguing for. If you do believe this, should the schools be teaching that the earth is only 6000 years old? | |
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| Religion is a joke!
Posted: 4/25/2006 1:51:06 PM | Ok, so because a portion of Christianity believes in young earth creation all religions are a joke?
There are some very good reasons to reject religion, and some completely absurd reasons. This is clearly one of the latter. | |
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| Religion is a joke!
Posted: 4/25/2006 2:04:10 PM |
would anyone here like to explain to me how the earth was created 6000 years ago according to the bible and how anything in the book could be fact.. I honestly think you would have to be very small minded to still beleive the world is governed by one divine power.
Would you like to explain to me how you can make a comment like *religion is a joke* then only target Christians? | |
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| Religion is a joke!
Posted: 4/25/2006 2:04:30 PM | Robert
I was only asking if most Christians believe in the young earth creation. I did not ask it with the intention of rejecting religion but rather to supplement it with my own thread of interpreting the bible literally vs. figuratively. | |
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late™
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Joined: 1/9/2005
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| Religion is a joke!
Posted: 4/25/2006 2:05:31 PM | There are some very good reasons to reject religion, and some completely absurd reasons. This is clearly one of the latter.
Agreed, mixing faith and science is like using architectural drawings as a recipe for bran muffins
Yes, much smarter to think we came from Monkeys and a big accidental bang in the cosmos.
Strawman fallacy, ......there isn't a branch of science that advocates either one of these misinterpretations.
Religion is a joke!
That may very well be, ....but the price to hear the punchline is pretty steep. | |
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| Religion is a joke!
Posted: 4/25/2006 2:28:16 PM | | Personally I agree with evolution for the most part as to how life on Earth developed. Please note that there are a lot of misconceptions about evolution out there. We did not evolve from monkeys, we share a common ancestor with them. I think it is possible that life was influenced in some way by a more intelligent life form from somewhere else. What that life form was, how it got to Earth, and how it evolved are mysteries to me, and I don't put too much thought into it. I would like to think that it is a being/race of beings that is scientifically and technologically advanced. But if someone wants to label it God, fine go ahead. I don't worship anything however, because I don't believe in hierarchies of greatness. From my point of view, any king should be equal to his peasants, and any god should be equal to his believers. If the believers bow down, God better be bowing right back. I do think that organized religion is an unhealthy institution, as it promotes segregation in society. If everyone had one unified belief, there could be a peaceful unity. But because there are so many different systems each claiming to be "correct" we have multiple groups, each unified amongst themselves, but divided from others by religious differences. | |
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| Religion is a joke!
Posted: 4/25/2006 8:19:13 PM | at shatir
[-I think it is possible that life was influenced in some way by a more intelligent life form from somewhere else. What that life form was, how it got to Earth, and how it evolved are mysteries to me, and I don't put too much thought into it.-]
^.........this statement sounds like a 'cop-out'..........by insinuating that there is a more intelligent life form out there that gave rise to humans will AUTOMATICALLY oblige you to provide an explanation of how this "more intelligent" life form was created!
[-From my point of view, any king should be equal to his peasants, and any god should be equal to his believers. If the believers bow down, God better be bowing right back. -]
^......actually, this is what Jesus Christ did!
[-If everyone had one unified belief, there could be a peaceful unity.-]
^.........just like there was when we had communism!
[-But because there are so many different systems each claiming to be "correct" we have multiple groups, each unified amongst themselves, but divided from others by religious differences. -]
^.......we have different systems that claim to be correct BECAUSE, these systems are borne of religion..............and RELIGION is man's FUTILE attempt to reach out to God......BUT, thru christianity, you are actually seeing God's attempt to reach out to man!!!!!! | |
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Joined: 1/9/2005
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| Religion is a joke!
Posted: 4/25/2006 8:33:22 PM |
.......just like there was when we had communism!
What, the label? or the actual real thing (hint: only ever existed in one place, and it wasn't Russia, isn't China, not a country at all as a matter of fact.)
thru christianity, you are actually seeing God's attempt to reach out to man!!!!!!
This is only valid if you're preaching to the choir, .....(hint, .....don't do this here, this isn't a "fellowship" site.) | |
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| Religion is a joke!
Posted: 4/25/2006 8:49:35 PM | at late
[-What, the label? or the actual real thing -]
^..........it doesn't matter.....its just the myth that it portends!
[-This is only valid if you're preaching to the choir, .....(hint, .....don't do this here, this isn't a "fellowship" site.) -]
^........i'm not at all preaching!......i'm just capsulizing what the NT is all about (whether you wanna believe it or not)............i know this is not a "fellowship" site!.....if it was, i wouldn't need to make that kind of statement!
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late™
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Joined: 1/9/2005
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| Religion is a joke!
Posted: 4/25/2006 9:08:57 PM |
.......it doesn't matter.....its just the myth that it portends!
A classless society that shares wealth?
myth
n : a traditional story accepted as history; serves to explain the world view of a people
m'kay | |
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| Religion is a joke!
Posted: 4/25/2006 9:23:32 PM | A classless society that shares wealth.
Now THAT would be heaven.
Faith in a religion is pretty personal. It certainly is no joke.
To borrow from John Lennon...whatever gets you thru the night...is alright. | |
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| Religion is a joke!
Posted: 4/25/2006 10:51:37 PM | | Part of the issue here is the thought or notion of time. What is time exactly and how is it calculated. You see Linear time is an invention of MAN, not god, so for you sum1reel, God does not necessarily have to have a beginning, nor any other matter, living, dead, in limbo or otherwise. There has always been matter, however the invention of linear time started with the existence of intelligent life (humans), for this is the only way we can understand things. We're born, we live, we die. All part of a time LINE in a natural life cycle. We can see it in all things, how long (long refering to lineal measurement) will a car last is one example. To believe in linear time as a constant, and unchangeable thing is folly, scientists themselves don't even believe in one set time. So if the earth is only 6000 years old, how many years are we really talking about, and is it really that important? We could be refering to a pluto year. or a jupiter year, and what about other dimensions that scientists say exist, how is time calculated there? And by whom. Really people, you have to set aside this silly notion of linear time, mostly because it only applies to earth time. It's hard for some to hear that matter has always existed, and perhaps God always existed, this is because they think in a linear mind set in regard to time itself, but the truth is, time in an essence does not exist, but we use it to measure our short lives and understand the environment around us. Just a thought for you. You can't deny the existence of God nor depend on Man's judgement of time. This thread is pointless, because nothing in it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. | |
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| Religion is a joke!
Posted: 4/26/2006 5:59:28 AM | at late
here is a more apropos definition of Myth....as it relates to communisn
(from websters)
3b: an ill founded belief held uncritically especially by an interested group
by the way!........how do you create wealth (if we both have the same definition of it) in a "classless" society (where you have "all captains and no privates").......maybe you could give us an example of a working model of such a society!
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[-You see Linear time is an invention of MAN, not god, so for you sum1reel, God does not necessarily have to have a beginning, nor any other matter, living, dead, in limbo or otherwise. There has always been matter, however the invention of linear time started with the existence of intelligent life (humans),-]
^.......i'm not sure what this has to do with what i wrote up above but let me say that 'time' is certainly not an 'invention' of man........space-time is one continuum......and this came into existence at the time of creation of our universe...which is way before 'physical' man came into being........God is a 'timeless' being......he just simply IS, and it couldn't be any other way! | |
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| Religion is a joke!
Posted: 4/26/2006 6:24:11 AM | I don't subscribe to any organized religion because all of them view earth and man as the center of the universe, the apple of God's eye.It views God as a celestial parent figure and man as his wayward children.A cute fantasy, but one I believe is just that, fantasy.
The universe is just so vast and infinite that to limit it's creator to an anthropomorphic form is something akin to blasphemy imho. | |
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| Religion is a joke!
Posted: 4/26/2006 8:10:26 AM | Some religions could be a joke but not all. The primary three religions with the most followers are not a joke. Even though I agree that some followers have their own but wrong interpretations of these religion’s doctrines. So here is my response to your punch-line that – “religion is a joke”.
All religions are not a joke.
Believing all religion is a joke – is indeed a joke! (Without investigating)
Believing in only the practitioner’s interpretations – is a joke.
Believing in the non-believers versions – is a joke. (Just listening is okay).
Listening ONLY to the critics/ skeptics – is a joke.
Losing fate altogether because a few things don’t make sense – is a joke.
Believing only in religious teachings or only in the science’s explanation – is a joke... … (Both can be true – what if God created the world a long time ago but just put Adam here not too long ago?)
By the way ”JOKE” is relative term. My post could be a joke to many who don’t agree with me. So be my guess and joke your way away to the moon or to the bottom of the sea!
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Hezron
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Joined: 12/15/2005
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| Religion is a joke!
Posted: 4/26/2006 12:53:37 PM | | I have never had trouble reconciling spiritual beleifs with science...i really do not see the argument...in many ways i often read the bible as figurative...and the entire history of science is based upon learningfrom past errors. I think one of the biggest problems with our society today is that we do not question science enough. The history of science is simply...we do what works and when parts of the theory we are using do not fit...we set those apart on a shelf...eventually the shelf has too many items and it breaks and a new theory is required and the process continues. Yet scientists...not all..but in general the academic community generally project that everyhting they say is correct because it is science...this makes me laugh. Nobody is always correct and nobody knows everything. When people say yeas but it is a scinetific fact that so and so is correct...i like to have them watch a tape of the bikini island detonations....all the top top minds...the experts in science...collecting data at ground zero half an hour after an atomic balst getting all excited about the geiger counter readings. Always question. Einstein, a person I very much admire always knew that even his work was probably mostly incorrect...closer to the potential truth perhaps..but still flawed and he knew other minds one day would take the next step and bring us closer to scientific truth in the future. When you think all science is "correct" remember...even Albert was unable to come up with the grand uniication theory. Remember..all the math still breaks down at singularity...I still beleive this is a result of the minds that create the math..human minds need to differentiate...we have no ability to be simultanious in knowing everything. I beleive the trinity s also manifest in how the mind operates and functions and therefore applies to how our scientific models are created... | |
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| Religion is a joke!
Posted: 4/26/2006 1:53:56 PM | Excellent post Taurus!!
Unfortunately all those with religious zeal will overlook it or ignore it. But that is exactly how I feel that man is way too centric for his own good. It has not been a long time passing that we have learned that the earth is not the centre of the universe.
The fantasy continues..... | |
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late™
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Joined: 1/9/2005
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| Religion is a joke!
Posted: 4/26/2006 2:02:36 PM | by the way!........how do you create wealth (if we both have the same definition of it) in a "classless" society (where you have "all captains and no privates").......maybe you could give us an example of a working model of such a society!
A kibbutz, ...which also fits the definition of "democracy", is a classless society that shares it's wealth.
Convenient use of vernacular to make a point, misses the point if the idea is just fodder for fallacy.
Like: ".....came from monkeys(misinterpretation)", "....only a theory(incorrect vernacular)", "(....created by accident(misunderstanding, willful or otherwise)" etc.
Faith should be enough to sustain faith, fallacy is deceit, and in reality, negates one's faith when it is employed.
In the frame of reference of both logic, and faith. This kind of concurrence is rare, thus enlightening.
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