|
|
|
|
|
| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 2/16/2005 5:52:12 AM | I've scanned through many of the threads on this page and found this....some people will go to extreme lengths to try and disprove the existence of either God or Jesus, they will also argue into the small hours about things which they claim means nothing to them and yet they seem so adamant. If God, Jesus and all things Religious make you lose so much sleep trying to disprove them, would your time not be better spent having a few extra hours sleep to catch up. Once you are fully awake you may be able to figure out that for some of us God, Jesus and all things Religious are not things to be questioned and torn apart but instead are things to be simply accepted. I am all for the discussion of any subject i am also up for the idea of anyone being able to join in any game with anyone etc. etc. etc. however if i found that someone had jumped into my paddling pool simply to take a p1ss i would not think twice about casting them aside and asking them to stay away.
If all things Religious rub you up the wrong way is that 'Religion' or 'your tolerance', or is it simply that you want to pick a fight with anyone and you see Religious people (mainly Christians it would appear) as an easy target.
It seems to me that spending your whole time trying to disprove the existence of anything is a fairly fruitless exercise... after all, if you succeed you end up with NOTHING! Is there not more constructive things for people to be getting on with. | |
|
| |
| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 2/16/2005 8:27:38 AM | Thanks, i think you've cleared a few things up there in one sweeping statement - 'FREEDOM OF SPEECH'. You have also become caught in the web of speech without prior thought. I would have thought that this thread title was so blatantly close to the other one on this page that anyone would have seen it as a 'response to' not a platform on which to repeat tired and worn out statements.
Why does 'FREEDOM OF SPEECH' always pop up when there doesn't seem to be a clear answer. Would it not be more constructive to just keep quiet than to say 'FREEDOM OF SPEECH' at every end and turn, it seems such a waste of energy to have to enforce the 'FREEDOM TO IGNORE' rule every time someone enforces the 'FREEDOM OF SPEECH', further more it's so f**king boring.
Doesn't everyone exercise the FREEDOM TO SPEAK? So why point the finger at various groups, remember, "when we point the finger of blame - three finger point back at ourselves"
Speak if you wanna, don't speak if you don't wanna & don't worry about expounding or not expounding your virtues and beliefs because surely no-one is so weak that they can't listen without becoming oppressed. | |
|
| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 2/16/2005 8:34:52 AM | Jesus and all things Religious are not things to be questioned and torn apart but instead are things to be simply accepted.
I don't worry about God,Jesus and all things religious and I don't press my beliefs onto other people.But I do express my beliefs and there is nothing wrong with that in my opinion.I do have a really big problem with any mindset that teaches me there are things which just "must be accepted".No way.Can't do it.It's my nature to disect,to debate and find out the reasons why.I feel it's wrong to "just accept" everything you're told just because some book that claims holy source says so. | |
|
| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 2/16/2005 12:45:36 PM | oujki,
this is an easy one! 
it's the same reason Christians and other religious people try to convince others of their views..... because they feel they're belief is right.
If all things Religious rub you up the wrong way is that 'Religion' or 'your tolerance', or is it simply that you want to pick a fight with anyone and you see Religious people (mainly Christians it would appear) as an easy target.
i'd say Catholics are the easiest target IMO. i'm not religious but i do like to talk religion every now and then. see if someone can't convince me that their religion is right. i'm open to new ideas. i sometimes like to argue in hopes that i might learn something new. that's just me though i guess. | |
|
| |
| |
| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 2/16/2005 3:40:00 PM | I'm of the opinion that you can't avoid the 'spreading the word' problem. It's a doctrine for some, and that's gonna be that.
However, since they aren't going to stop, I have taken the opinion that this is also open season for me to raise my beliefs.
If I'm at a family gathering (back in the day with Ex, who's family has a great number of fundamentalist christians) and someone is going to spout off about this or that need to find Jesus. Then I speak up on behalf of the opposition.
"Just for the record, there are a fair number of people who don't believe that praying is going to make anyone better..."
Or if I'm asked (and I have been) when I'm going to let Jesus into my heart...
"When you let common sense into your brain."
If there's some political debate based on religion, say on Roe vs. Wade or the (gasp!) teaching of evolution like it's (double gasp) the only possibility...I get in there too.
Often non-religious people in these situations sit quietly and uncomfortably while Christians feel they are getting the word out...of course, they don't get anything out other than a little mental note to try to stay as far away from them as possible (unless they're more Christians, in which case you're preaching to the converted...).
Well, don't. If they feel they can spout off...get in there and let the other side be heard. It's rude what they're doing, forcing an issue most prefer to leave personal into the public space and they have as much right to say it as you do to say "I disagree with you, and why do you feel as though you have the right to assume any sense of superiority over anyone, including me, because of you're belief system?" Because that's also what it is, a little pat on the back saying 'look how holy I am' in the grand game of spiritual one-upmanship so many seem to consider de riguer. | |
|
| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 2/17/2005 12:07:16 AM | I DON'T feel the need to press my beliefs on others. If someone asks, I usually answer to the best of my ability, as opposed to broadcasting on TV, Radio, Newspaper, and "door-knocking." If someone poses a legitimate question on here, I try to answer. If a person contradicts themselves, I try to point that out too....
Not all non-Christians impose their thoughts, as well not all Christians do. Some of us try to merely put our thoughts on a table for observation, instead of forcefeeding masses of propaganda. | |
|
| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 2/17/2005 12:31:19 AM | SORRY, i didn't realise that everyone was simply going to miss my point - Christian or non-Christian, Religious or Not, doesn't every part of society have it's own members who choose to 'PRESS THEIR BELIEFS ON OTHERS' and some members who choose not to.
I suppose what i was really trying to say was 'WHY DOES THE SUBJECT OF PEOPLE PRESSING THEIR BELIEFS ONTO OTHERS APPEAR IN THE RELIGION SECTION'.
Personally i 'BELIEVE' that instant coffee tastes really nice in the morning particularly when accompanied by carrot cake.... oops, there I go again - pressing my opinions upon the world.
PLEASE ACCEPT MY APPOLOGIES IF YOU FEEL OPPRESSED AND HAVE SUFFERED AS A RESULT OF READING MY OPINIONS ON COFFEE. I REALISE THAT THEY ARE A LITTLE STRONG AND THAT I REALLY SHOULD KEEP QUIET IN FUTURE.
Look, if anyone chooses to misunderstand the point of this thread, which was written in a 'RIGHT BACK AT YA' frame of mind, then so be it. The fact that people saw the need to respond highlights the futile nature of most of the comments within.
My point is this - Everyone voices opinions in one way or another. Some choose to listen, others to ignore. This is not specific to any one part of society, this is specific to human. | |
|
| |
| |
| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 2/17/2005 3:18:44 AM | | why do you think if your all non-christians,you are anti-religious or have anti- religious beliefs. to say that they dont believe in a god, or that their god is not right.no one religion is wronge, its the point that you have a belief,no matter how insignifagant it may seem to another. im shammon and wiccon and i have never tried pushing my belief apone another.espeacialy if it wasnt something the wanted to know about.just because i am non-christion,dosnt mean im not religious.i was born and raised a methodist,i choose to be who i am and what i believe in. like in shakesphear,"he said, a rose by any other name ,whould still be a rose,and yet would it not smell as sweet",so i say to you,"god is god,and in any other name would his love not be so magnifacent and glorious,can it not hold the same purposes.a greater power than we all cant truely comprehend.his love is true,no mater what religion you choose to be,its what your spirit shows threw in the end.my friend and i have had many disturbing messages from a so called christion on the fish,just because im not white and not christion.so it comes down to ignorance on all sides.i know this doesnt pertain to the threads ,ingeneral the fish,but more so in life.this is a life long arguement that has alway existed.the point is to have exceptonce of anothr no mater what the religion,sex,creed,color. its called being a humanbeing,no mater the differances.we dont have to believe in every thing the same way,just beleive in what feels right for you and end the end we will all or not know.its not to pass judgment on each other,but inbrace the differances in life and make your on choices wisely. | |
|
| |
| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 2/17/2005 3:57:20 AM | I went out camping with a friend of mine who is an athiest. He told me that believers were less intelligent than non-believers because they refused to listen to hard evidence that pointed in the direction of non-theism. The arrogance in that statement was enough to make me reconsider my friendship with him.
The same would hold true for a Christian who said that athiests were less intelligent. We are all working on the same knowledge - we just do not know. I would prefer it if we could all discuss our beliefs without stomping on others, but that isn't human nature.
Seeing that he said such an assinine comment to someone who IS a believer, I felt it was a direct insult to me, and I'm not 'less intelligent' than him. It just so happens that he is highly intelligent, but he is completely bereft of social/emotional intelligence. He knew that my faith kept me sane with respect to life after death (I've had a lot of close people in my life die).
What an idiot. | |
|
| |
| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 2/17/2005 5:58:46 AM | Mikey! Not to belabour the point, nor be accused of beating a brain-dead horse...
But what the lady above you was doing was talking seriously about something she finds both painful and very personal. Her efforts to do so, I suspect, aren't necessarily going to be helped with you popping off with your suggestions of running off to the woods to shag.
Secondly...just as a rule, any time you hear a problem/issue/question and you think you've come up with a 'Solution'...You need to back up, take a deep breath (through your nose, if that's been mastered, but do whatcha gotta) and remember that the liklihood of you actually having found a solution to anything is somewhere in the range of you building a perpetual motion machine out of Shreddies.
And finally, Mikey, it sounds like in a roundabout way, you're out there trying to undertake the process required for you to procreate. I thought the folks at the "Institute for Preserving What Dignity's Left in the Human Genome" had been in touch with you to explain why that's a bad idea...
Good to see ya again though Mikey... | |
|
| Hi to you too, twit.
Posted: 2/17/2005 6:30:54 AM | Wouldknow;
But what the lady above you was doing was talking seriously about something she finds both painful and very personal. Her efforts to do so, I suspect, aren't necessarily going to be helped with you popping off with your suggestions of running off to the woods to shag.
And maybe some humour is just the ticket to aid recovery, but if not, at least my statement amused me, which in my world is the #1 most important consideration.And I think she's proven herself eminently capable of speaking for herself. She doesn't need a twit like you for a mouthpiece.
Secondly...just as a rule, any time you hear a problem/issue/question and you think you've come up with a 'Solution'...You need to back up, take a deep breath (through your nose, if that's been mastered, but do whatcha gotta) and remember that the liklihood of you actually having found a solution to anything is somewhere in the range of you building a perpetual motion machine out of Shreddies.
I don't " need" to do anything you pretentious twit.I would like it however, if you would take your box of shreddies and shove it up your ass.And what the heck, see if you can't get a carton of shreddie boxes up there while your at it.
And finally, Mikey, it sounds like in a roundabout way, you're out there trying to undertake the process required for you to procreate And finally, Mikey, it sounds like in a roundabout way, you're out there trying to undertake the process required for you to procreate
Really? If that's what it sounds like to you I think you should be spending less of your time at parties where sniffing gasoline from parked vehicles is the primary attraction.
Good to see ya again though Mikey... redundant, as its already apparent from your preceding spew of infantile babblings. | |
|
koiguy
|
Joined: 10/21/2004
Msg: 19 | |
| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 2/17/2005 7:07:56 AM |
Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
I would say, at least in my case, I don't. Why did I start a thread called "Why do Christians feel the need to press their religous belief's on people?", because I am tired of being told that if I do not follow Jesus I am going to hell. I am a Buddhist, I was raised Catholic, I went to my old church to hear my dad sing in the choir, during mass I was reminded that Jesus was the only why to heaven, I feel that any religion that claims it is the only to heaven is close minded. Also here in the USA they are banning gay marriage, a christian movement, I do not aprove of laws that are based on religious views. Universal truths are one thing like murder is wrong, stealing is wrong, etc, etc, but banning homosexual marriage is purely a christian and catholic thing. Another thing is that CHRISTanity is based on CHRIST who said Galatians 5:14
14 For the entire law is fulfilled in one statement: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
and
Matthew 19:17-19
17. If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments." 18 "Which ones?" he asked Him. Jesus answered, "You shall not murder; you shall not commit adultery; you shall not steal; you shall not bear false witness; 19 honor your father and your mother; and you shall love your neighbor as yourself.
Yet I see no love comming from most christians, just statements like this
Because they are agents of Satan. A good example of this would be the faggots who attack the Catholic church because ot the Church's teachings on the sanctity of marriage and the sin of homosexuality.
Where in that statemeny is the love, calling people faggots, the sin of homosexuality, ya that guy loves his neighbor....HAHAHAHA. I only speak out against christanity because Jesus was all about love, not judging people, accepting others, I mean come people his best friend was a prostitute. Don't tell people of other faiths if they don't convert they are going to hell, don't outlaw gay marriage, if your God really has a problem with those things he will deal with it at the end, until then live and let live. | |
|
| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 2/17/2005 7:43:29 AM | koiguy - You seem to be professing to be open minded and yet you have not grasped this simple reality
"I would say, at least in my case, I don't." anyone/everyone can say that and anyone/everyone can oppose it. The point of this thread is this 'There is no point to your thread or my thread', not with just a very, very small amount of rational thought.
Sorry was this all too complex.
My next thread might be "Does anyone know the way back to Earth?"
Bye for now SPACE CADETS! | |
|
| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 2/17/2005 9:55:36 AM |
Because they are agents of Satan. A good example of this would be the faggots who attack the Catholic church because ot the Church's teachings on the sanctity of marriage and the sin of homosexuality.
by 'faggot' i'm assuming you mean homosexual. but you really don't want to start talking about homosexuals and Catholics in the same sentence. cause then you're gonna have to throw in a few more words like corruption and pedophile because both of those words are very well related to the catholic church.
as for the actual thread, i stand my my original post. people try to convice others because what they believe is 'right' in their minds. | |
|
| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 2/17/2005 11:39:08 AM | I am a Christian although I don't preach or push my beliefs on people. I will discuss the issue with people but debating the unknown is about as productive and useless as trying to kickstart a semi-truck. I was not pushed into believing what I believe, I was raised in a churchless home but I did accept Jesus just after I finished high school simply because I tried it and it worked for me.
I don't think it really matters what you believe as long as it works for you. I use my relationship with God as a means to better my life and if what I believe is false at least I know that I've done positive things toward a worthy cause if nothing else just to make the world a better place for those around me.
I am no saint but at least I know right from wrong. I didn't need a book to learn morals but the book is a great outline on getting along with people in the world and the story factor is rather enticing. I think without the religions of the world, the human race would assume there is nothing to live for and we'd have destroyed ourselves a long time ago. Anyway, I have no idea where I was going with this other than to state my own experience on the subject. | |
|
late™
|
Joined: 1/9/2005
Msg: 23 | |
| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 3/5/2005 7:13:02 AM | Yeah, .....sometimes Soullll just seems to fall into things naturally.
Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 2/16/2005 5:52:12 AM
I've scanned through many of the threads on this page and found this....some people will go to extreme lengths to try and disprove the existence of either God or Jesus, they will also argue into the small hours about things which they claim means nothing to them and yet they seem so adamant. If God, Jesus and all things Religious make you lose so much sleep trying to disprove them, would your time not be better spent having a few extra hours sleep to catch up. Once you are fully awake you may be able to figure out that for some of us God, Jesus and all things Religious are not things to be questioned and torn apart but instead are things to be simply accepted. I am all for the discussion of any subject i am also up for the idea of anyone being able to join in any game with anyone etc. etc. etc. however if i found that someone had jumped into my paddling pool simply to take a p1ss i would not think twice about casting them aside and asking them to stay away.
If all things Religious rub you up the wrong way is that 'Religion' or 'your tolerance', or is it simply that you want to pick a fight with anyone and you see Religious people (mainly Christians it would appear) as an easy target.
It seems to me that spending your whole time trying to disprove the existence of anything is a fairly fruitless exercise... after all, if you succeed you end up with NOTHING! Is there not more constructive things for people to be getting on
(........sigh..........)
All I've ever asked for is a clarity in the dialectic, in terms that are honest, ......your's are not honest terms.
You express a wish that you only want to discuss things of a religious nature with those that agree with you,
There IS an option:
......I suggest you email Soullll/Unito or Sealacamp, ....they will happily agree with you and you won't have to resort to deliberate misunderstandings, misattributions and misinterperetations of other's statements and queries, answering them only with dishonest and fallacious replies..
Aside from that, what you propose:
....and I quote:
" i would not think twice about casting them aside and asking them to stay away."
Is intolerent, ......this is self-evident, and so diametrically opposed to the stated peurpose of this place that it belies the fact that you do not want to accord others the respect and dignity that you demand.
Please see-
A) No *Thread may exist designated exclusively for Response from a specific Gender, Ethnicity, Orientation, Religion, Public, etc. Such a Thread will be deleted. The entire Concept of a *Forum is for anyone to post their Opinions and Thoughts, providing they are On-Topic, on any Threads he or she sees fit.
.....and please note: It's probably the fist rule at the top of the "Posting" rules.
.........for a reason.
| |
|
| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 3/5/2005 7:44:35 AM | | We dont press our so-called "anti-religous" beliefs on other people, it's just I simply refuse to give in to some false doctrine saying the world is flat and was made 4,000 years ago, and as science and philosophy progressed, the church felt it was losing power because people began to find objective and spiritual truth for themselves. | |
|
late™
|
Joined: 1/9/2005
Msg: 25 | |
| Why do Non-Christians feel the need to press their anti-religous belief's on people?
Posted: 3/5/2005 9:47:07 AM | Soullll,
I have never misunderstood the meaning of faith in the context of the perspective of those that apply it to their beliefs.
The issue here is whether or not the words put forth by some who wear the shield of "faithfull", actually support the ideas they express and/or honestly represent an understanding of queries given and answers posed by those that reply "specificaly" to those contridictions, not percieved but verifiable in the words of those not being honest in their own questions and answers. As always this can be expressed in an evidentiary manner, .......as is evidenced by staying within the dialectic.
In short, I only expect, in the context of expressed dialog, the...
truth
n 1: a fact that has been verified
n 2: conformity to reality or actuality
When it is self-evident by the words used to express that there is no honest expression.
I point that out.
quid pro quo is all that's being asked for here. | |
|
|
|
Home
login 
