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 kitsguy4u

Joined: 11/19/2005
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Posted: 5/8/2006 3:20:39 PM
President Mamoud Ahmadinejad sent a letter to GWBush on monday. This is the first time there has been correspondence between leaders of both countires sonce the US severed ties in 1980. The letter proposes discussions to find "new ways" to end the current tensions over their pursuit of nuclear power. That is for electricity not for weapons.

Should Bush accept this as an offer to find a diplomatic solution or should he ignore it and use military force?

Now Bush hasnt taken the tactical nuke strike off the table. However his ally Blair has called this "absolutely absurd".

I would like to know how people are thinking on this issue. Should bush accept this offer for the 2 countries to talk face to face for the first time in 26 years or should bush ignore it and use force? or what will it be?

 dashance

Joined: 11/18/2005
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Posted: 5/8/2006 4:09:06 PM
not unless Iran can show that they really and truly have put absolutely everything on hold! (how can they show that?),.... otherwise they are just utilising the so-called diplomatic solution as a delay tactic. We all know that they are irrational,.... like even a single nuke in their possession could deter the 10,000 or so that the US has? How can THAT be mutually assured destruction? I think they couls only show good faith there, if they handed over Osama Bin Ladin,... I wouldn't be too suprised if he's over there!
 kitsguy4u

Joined: 11/19/2005
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Posted: 5/8/2006 4:23:18 PM
What do you want them to put on hold? The reactor for electricity? or the weapons? Remeber up until recently the UN was in Iran and they were not doing anything towards creating weapons. Only that the enriched uranium used for the reactor could be enriched further and used for nukes.

Osama isnt in Iran. He is working as a valet at the White House
 rks58

Joined: 1/28/2006
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Iran sends letter to Bush, Now what?
Posted: 5/8/2006 4:36:11 PM
c'mon kitsguy

You're falling got that leftist liberal dope-addled hippie crap AGAIN!! You know that even if they offered GWB a personal guided tour it would be through fake facilities.
 dharma_bum63

Joined: 2/4/2006
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Iran sends letter to Bush, Now what?
Posted: 5/8/2006 4:57:21 PM
some quick quotes from truthdig.com

1. IRAN is a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, and does not interfer with inspections.

2. No nation that permits inspections has ever developed a nuclear weapon.

3. The US's own National Intelligence Estimate says that even if "the international atmosphere were favorable", it would take 10 years to develop a nuclear weapon.

so where then, is the 'real and present danger' ?
 JacksSmerkingRevenge

Joined: 4/16/2005
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Posted: 5/8/2006 5:04:58 PM

so where then, is the 'real and present danger' ?


They hate our freedoms!!!!
 cougar99

Joined: 6/1/2005
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Iran sends letter to Bush, Now what?
Posted: 5/8/2006 5:17:28 PM
I wonder why they didn't send the letter to cheney, since he is the real president.
Funny how cheney got several deferments from serving in the Vietnam war, but has no problem threatening the use of American forces to fight.
 rks58

Joined: 1/28/2006
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Posted: 5/8/2006 5:18:56 PM

They hate our freedoms!!!!


No, they hate democracy and they hate American values.

Actually, seriously, I doubt that there will be any movement on the part of the U.S. gov't regardless of the content of the letter. I suspect the U.S. won't release an accurate, unedited text of it's contents and will claim that it is all fluff with no substance. If the Iranians release the full text the U.S. will claim it is false propaganda and things will continue as they have.

I certainly hope that GW will make a liar of me but I don't have a lot of confidence in that.

Hopefully the Iranians had the good sense to send a copy to a third party that is beyond reproach, even for the U.S.
 poshrat

Joined: 7/3/2005
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Posted: 5/8/2006 5:22:11 PM


They hate our freedoms!!!!


..and we hate the fact they have ''our'' oil?

Or would this have more to do with the current situation?



Iran Seeks Euro-Denominated Oil Market

The Associated Press Friday, May 5, 2006; 6:22 AM

TEHRAN, Iran -- Iran's oil ministry took a step toward establishing an oil trading market denominated in euros, rather than the U.S. dollar, by granting a license for the bourse, state-run television reported Friday.

Just who would trade on the market wasn't immediately apparent. Iranian television did not mention traders or governments willing to market or purchase products on the exchange, nor did it say when it would open for business.

"Iran has registered an oil bourse on the Persian Gulf island of Kish in which oil would be sold in euros," the broadcast said. Kish, located off the coast of southern Iran, houses the offices of some 100 Iranian and foreign oil companies.

Oil trading is currently only conducted in dollars on markets in New York and London.

Iranian legislators earlier this year urged the government to set up the market to reduce the United States' influence over the Islamic republic's economy. They also criticized Oil Minister Sayed Kazem Vaziri Hamaneh, saying he had delayed setting up the bourse.

If the market succeeds, observers say euro-denominated oil sales could eventually convince central bankers to convert some U.S. dollar reserves into euros, possibly causing a decline in the dollar's value.

First floated in 2004 when reformist president Mohammad Khatami was in power, the idea of a euros-traded oil bourse gained new life after the stridently nationalist Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was elected president last summer.

As the fourth-largest oil producing country in the world, the second in the Organization of Petroleum Exporting countries and controlling about 5 percent of the global oil supply, Iran has a measure of influence over international oil markets. Tehran also partially controls the Persian Gulf's Strait of Hormuz through which much of the world's oil supply must pass.

Iran has sought to wield its oil resources as a bargaining tool in Tehran's ongoing standoff with the West over its nuclear program.



Maybe the correspondence sent to Bush, was a diplomatic way of saying 'You threaten us...we can destroy you WITHOUT nuclear weapons!"
 JacksSmerkingRevenge

Joined: 4/16/2005
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Posted: 5/8/2006 5:28:10 PM

No, they hate democracy and they hate American values.


Okay then.. Last time I try and make a funny without stating my position first. I'm sure the Iranians don't give a good goddamn about democracy or American values. What they probably hate is Western influence over their part of the world. This is most likely because they don't see an eagle, or a beaver as a symbol of this part of the world; they see soldiers.


..and we hate the fact they have ''our'' oil?


Not Iran.
 Frrosty

Joined: 3/21/2004
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Posted: 5/8/2006 5:38:35 PM
so where then, is the 'real and present danger' ?


The pocket books of war contractors and their war pig friends.

Hopefully the Iranians had the good sense to send a copy to a third party


I suspect that approximately 49 countries got a copy of this one. I also suspect that the historians are hiding and waxing these letters away for some lesson in the far future.
 rks58

Joined: 1/28/2006
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Posted: 5/8/2006 5:49:52 PM

Okay then.. Last time I try and make a funny without stating my position first.


Oh, you make your funnies and points in whatever order you feel like. Just remember, it's a tri-partite funny: freedoms, democracy and values
 bob0colo

Joined: 4/9/2006
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Posted: 5/8/2006 6:01:48 PM
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I'm sure the Iranians don't give a good goddamn about democracy or American values. What they probably hate is Western influence over their part of the world. This is most likely because they don't see an eagle, or a beaver as a symbol of this part of the world; they see soldiers.

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Why would they hate us????



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POLITICS-US:
How Neo-Cons Sabotaged Iran's Help on al Qaeda
Gareth Porter*

WASHINGTON, Feb 21 (IPS) - The United States and Iran were on a course to work closely together on the war against al Qaeda and its Taliban sponsors in Afghanistan in late 2001 and early 2002 -- until Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld stepped in to scuttle that cooperation, according to officials who were involved at the time.


It was thanks to the Northern Alliance Afghan troops, which were supported primarily by the Iranians, that the Taliban was driven out of Kabul in mid-November.

But in March 2002, Iranian official met with U.S. special envoy to Afghanistan James Dobbins in Geneva during a U.N. conference on Afghanistan's security needs. Dobbins recalls that the Iranian delegation brought with it the general who had been responsible for military assistance to the Northern Alliance during the long fight against the Taliban.

The general offered to provide training, uniforms, equipment and barracks for as many as 20,000 new recruits for the nascent Afghan military. All this was to be done under U.S. leadership, Dobbins recalls, not as part of a separate programme under exclusive Iranian control.

"The Iranians later confirmed that they did this as a gesture to the United States," says Dobbins.

Dobbins returned to Washington to inform key administration officials of what he regarded as an opportunity for a new level of cooperation in Afghanistan. He briefed then Secretary of State Colin Powell, National Adviser Condoleezza Rice and Rumsfeld personally. "To my knowledge, there was never a response," he says.

*Gareth Porter is an historian and national security policy analyst. His latest book, "Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam", was published in June 2005. (END/2006)

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There have been many overtures from Iran.

“Its not written very well” and Rambles? Comments made by an official, regarding this letter.

Give the letter to Bolten,or Rummie, they seem to be good with this stuff.


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 Sactowndude

Joined: 5/13/2005
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Posted: 5/8/2006 7:24:27 PM
I personally think this official letter is a good thing,I also think Iran and the US have been talking for years(pre 9/11) through backdoor channels.Haliburton* has had oil and gas operations there for years even though it's illegal for US corporations to do business with Iran.
With that said...I don't believe the Iranians will only be using the reactors for "peaceful" means,they have enough natural gas to provide electricity for the entire region.

*Haliburton's corporate office is in the Carribean but everybody knows it's a US company.
 anticon

Joined: 2/18/2006
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Posted: 5/9/2006 9:08:49 AM
I think the letter to Bush was probably a personal missive criticizing him for the shower of lies made up by the Bush administration as an excuse to invade the middle east. I don't know what else it could be about...
 msquared

Joined: 8/31/2004
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Posted: 5/9/2006 12:48:41 PM

Nuke thew **stards before they nuke us


That could be more difficult than you think. First, we have to find out who these 'thew' are, and then we have to find out which ones were born to parents who weren't married, and separate them from the legitimate ones. Also, we don't know what the nuclear capabilities of these thew are, so we have to do some investigation into that. Tell you what, we're trusting you to come up with all this information. Please get back to us when your research is complete.
 msquared

Joined: 8/31/2004
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Posted: 5/9/2006 1:42:41 PM

Forgot to use spealchock when i speeled thew. I geuss you are right we will need a special selective nuke that only kills the **stards and not the ones with father's,Ill be working on it diligently and get back to you later after you kiss my politically incorrect ass


How does a person find out if their derriere is politically incorrect? Is there a test?
 anticon

Joined: 2/18/2006
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Posted: 5/9/2006 1:53:33 PM
Our president's a joke... This is like someone throwing a drink in his face. He's such a dope... *ugh* but who can blame them? How did this dunce ever get into the office of the president?

Blame the republicans... who spend every day preserving the interests of big business uber alles...regardless of anything else...
 arri

Joined: 10/5/2005
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Posted: 5/9/2006 3:22:37 PM
Iran wants membership in the World Trade Organization, lifting of the sanctions and potentially the return of 10 to 20 Billion of Shah's money in the United States and they are going to milk the nuclear issue until they get it.

Lets face it, the Mullah regime in Iran is on it's last stand. Iranians fought hard to achieve democracy early in the 20th century with their constitutional monarchy revolution of 1909. The only reason the Mullahs came to power was because the Shah had eliminated all other political oppositions.

Despite the popular opinion here in the north America that Iranians are all fanatic Islamic suicide bombers, the Persian culture is far from fanatic. The old mullahs are dead now and the new group are being man handled by the academics and scholars.

A friendly Iran that could revert back to its roots and into secular government will be a great lesson to the region that is choosing to follow a Islamic doctrine.

If they want to make friends ... make friends. What do you have to lose. Down the road, the military option is always open. But if Bush thinks that he could regime change by force, Iraq is a good indication that it won't work and Iran is 5 times larger and 4 times as populated.
 anni

Joined: 3/10/2006
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Posted: 5/9/2006 10:15:49 PM
It seems to me in regular life as well as in political situations there should always be an attempt to keep the peace before jumping the gun and fighting. What's talking going to hurt?
All this nuke talk is a bit nervewracking I really don't want to glow in the dark.
 justanormalguy68

Joined: 11/19/2005
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Posted: 5/9/2006 10:52:46 PM
This whole mess is not about nuclear weapons.

In a practical sense, it's not even about ideology.

It's about imperialism, money, political power, and control and influence over the world economy.

Western democracy versus Middle Eastern tyranny makes for a good smokescreen, though.
 rainpanda

Joined: 10/2/2005
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Posted: 5/10/2006 12:18:55 AM

Actually, seriously, I doubt that there will be any movement on the part of the U.S. gov't regardless of the content of the letter. I suspect the U.S. won't release an accurate, unedited text of it's contents and will claim that it is all fluff with no substance.


You were so right. First, the Bush admin passes up an offer by Iran to talk to the US about their concerns of IEDs manufactured in Iran being used in Iraq. Now, the scoff at the request for talk, while all the while Bush is telling us through press conferences (still today) that he believes the solution to this problem will be through diplomacy. Apparently he's volunteering Euro diplomacy, and then trying to do all he can to make it difficult for them.

~ Panda
 Frrosty

Joined: 3/21/2004
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Posted: 5/10/2006 3:58:03 PM

there should always be an attempt to keep the peace


The US is all ABOUT keeping the peace. Don't you SEE: THAT is why they must go declare and fight in their wars!!

*Scratches head*

hhmm; wait a second.
 Frrosty

Joined: 3/21/2004
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Posted: 5/10/2006 4:24:49 PM

JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) - Iran's president dismissed western concerns over its nuclear program as "a big lie" Wednesday, one day after key UN Security Council members agreed to present Tehran with a choice of incentives or sanctions in deciding whether to suspend uranium enrichment.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who was in Indonesia for a three-day state visit, told reporters in Jakarta that Iran will "absolutely not back out" of defending its right to pursue new technology, accusing the United States and other western countries of monopolizing the nuclear technology market to secure profits while engaging in non-peaceful proliferation.

"They pretend that they are concerned about the nature of the nuclear program of the Islamic republic of Iran," he said after meeting with Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono. "This is a big lie."

Meanwhile, in a letter to Time magazine published on its website, a representative of Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei offered new options for solving the impasse with the United States and its allies. Hassan Rohani, Iran's former top nuclear negotiator, said Tehran would consider ratifying an International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) protocol that provides for intrusive and snap inspections and would also address the question of preventing a pullout from the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.

The current Iranian negotiator, Ali Larijani, said Tuesday that Tehran had no intention of withdrawing from the treaty and promised to co-operate if the UN atomic watchdog agency, rather than the Security Council, dealt with the issue of its nuclear program.

Iran ended all voluntary co-operation with the IAEA in February, including allowing snap inspections of its nuclear facilities.

At a meeting Tuesday, representatives of the United States, Russia, China, Britain, France and Germany agreed to tell Iran the possible consequences of its refusal to halt its enrichment program and the benefits if it abandons it.

The move will delay a U.S.-backed draft UN resolution that could lead to sanctions and possible military action if Iran does not suspend uranium enrichment.

U.S. State Secretary Condoleezza Rice said Wednesday she and her counterparts on the UN Security Council agreed to give Iran another two weeks to reconsider its position.

"We agreed to continue to seek a Security Council resolution but that we would wait for a couple of weeks while the Europeans design an offer to the Iranians that would make clear they have a choice that would allow them to have a civil nuclear program, if that is indeed what they want," Rice said on ABC's Good Morning America.

The Chinese and Russians have balked at the British, French and U.S. efforts to put the resolution under Chapter 7 of the UN Charter. Such a move would declare Iran a threat to international peace and security and set the stage for further measures if Tehran refuses to comply. Those measures could range from breaking diplomatic relations to economic sanctions and military action.

The United States accuses Iran of seeking to develop nuclear weapons, a charge Tehran denies, saying it aims only to generate energy.

Yudhoyono, speaking at a joint news conference after he met with Ahmadinejad for about 90 minutes, said he believed Iran was willing to resolve the nuclear standoff peacefully through further negotiations, and offered to help mediate. Yudhoyono's spokesman, Dino Pati Djalal, said Iran was receptive to the offer.

"We need to breathe new life into the negotiations," he said.



Such a move would declare Iran a threat to international peace


At which point the US goes and breaks the peace by starting another war? Isn't WAR a threat to peace? (kind of?)
 rks58

Joined: 1/28/2006
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Posted: 5/10/2006 4:52:52 PM
Isn't WAR a threat to peace? (kind of?)


You obviously haven't been listening have you?

Let me explain it to you.

War is a bad thing. We should always avoid war. What I mean to say is that.. war gives us peace, like that Indian fellow, I think his name was Gandhi, said in his book "War and Peace". After you have war, you have peace.
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