| Hurrah for the Aussie Miners!!!!
Posted: 5/9/2006 4:57:18 AM | Incredible that those two men were still alive-- and thank God and all those who helped get them out of that deep shaft and in time.
Well done!!!!
From Charlie Girl in America
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Posted: 5/9/2006 5:06:50 AM | Thank"s Charlie Girl!!!
Yes two very brave and courageous men!!!I was up at 4 A.M.,watching and waiting.I do not know if you have seen any of the Video Footage?When the Cage came up, the two Men nearly ran out,then punched the Air!!!!I had a Tear in my eye, as thousands of others did too.I was so surprised at how fit and well the two Men were, considering what they had been through!!!Initially when the two Men burst out of the cage,I for a second thought they were the Rescuer"s and not the Men who had been trapped!!!Brillant to see the two Men reunited with Family,Friends and Mates!!!!
The day would have been a mixture of many emotions for the local community, as only hours after the Release of the two Men, was the funeral of their Deceased Friend and Workmate. | |
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Posted: 5/9/2006 8:52:47 AM | I am in awe of the courage and stoicism these brave boys showed. My mum knows Brants Mum so needless to say we have paid extra attention to this story. They are living legends and really when you stop to think about it they have incredible strength of character and it is more than luck that saved them. Ever since Anzac Day they have been in our thoughts, it's almost as if we know them and expect them to walk through our living room door as we have envisaged them reuniting with family, friends and work colleagues.
I don't mean to turn this discussion into a political debate as it would be disrespectful to the man who lost his life. But it does give a renewed and invigorated strength to the Australian Workers Union. If ever I was in a similiar situation, I would like Bill Shorten on my side.
Larry Knight, RIP you are in our thoughts and prayers. And Todd and Brant, may you both walk the path to freedom in every facet of your lives. You are special men and this path has been chosen, embrace each and every day of the rest of your life. | |
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Posted: 5/9/2006 5:43:37 PM | I don't mean to turn this discussion into a political debate as it would be disrespectful to the man who lost his life. But it does give a renewed and invigorated strength to the Australian Workers Union. If ever I was in a similiar situation, I would like Bill Shorten on my side.
I don't mean to turn this into a politcal debate either ....but ...where was Bill Shorten when they had the tremor last year and the workers had fears about returning to work then?... it does make me think. Mining companies always talk about pro-active safety rather than re-active safety but when it comes down to it they would really much rather re-active, sadly (have seen this first hand time and time again). The companies don't want any of their employees involved with any unions anymore ...is it easier that way, I'm sure Matt Gill is about to face some very, very hard questions to answer right now.
I work in the mining industry (open cut though) and I also worked in Tassie for 4 years at a mine there, finished up a couple of years ago and came back to W.A. In the time that I was there I was shocked at the amount of deaths underground (8...we didn't all hear about those though), from one reason and another.
These 2 blokes were so so lucky and one unfortunately wasn't, may he rest in peace.(After they found Larry I honestly didn't hold out any hope of those 2 guys being found alive sorry...I am so so glad a miracle happened). I had tears running down my face (probably just like the rest of the country) watching them come out. I even had tears running down my face listening to it on the radio in my truck (night shift at the moment).
Whats really sad is that... maybe not Todd and Brant, but give it a little while and the mates that managed to save their lives are probably going to go and work back down there. The whole town survives because of that mine, I wonder if the safe road will be taken and shut the mine down, or if they let it re-open because if they don't the town will more than likely close down too.
I am so sorry for Larry's family.
I am so happy for Todd and Brants families
I really don't mean to upset or offend anyone by posting this, its just my frustrated thoughts.
of a frustrating industry that doesn't seem to be getting any safer.
I probably should of posted a separate thread! | |
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Tatguy
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| Hurrah for the Aussie Miners!!!!
Posted: 5/9/2006 6:21:24 PM | Having done rescue work many years ago, I want to say congrats to the two guys trapped.
They are alive and back with thier loved ones.
Thier main function while underground and trapped was to stay calm, listen carefully to what the rescue personell were telling them and to follow direction without fail.
The entire scenario as it played out was indeed gripping and at times, questionable as to the ability of the rescue personell actually reaching them..........mother nature can throw some pretty dangerous curves in the form of weather and obstacles but everyone perservered.
It's unfortunate that in a time of joy for two families receiving thier sons/husbands/fathers back from the earth, one family is greiving and returning one son/husband/father back to the earth.........
Godspeed to all involved. | |
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Posted: 5/9/2006 8:20:17 PM | Free speach means you can say what you want.
It doesnt mean that the person saying it has to know what they're talking about, how they say what they say or, how it's perceived by others.
The thread title is:Hurrah for the Aussie Miners!!!!
The thread title is not: Express your opinions on God or how anyone expresses thier thanks towards the families involved. | |
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Posted: 5/10/2006 12:57:43 AM | Mark, you have missed what I said (again??!!). I never posted that Bill Shorten could do any of those things, legislations passed, safety,inspections,holding people accountable. I have had enough dealings with the unions to know how they work (re-active) How is it grandstanding what he has been doing this week?? He hasn't been up there sprouting off union shit. He has been a spokesperson for the workers aswell as the company! He has done a good job of being unbiased in this pretty hard time they have all been going through. It might prove time saving if you take 10 minutes after reading this to actually understand what I have said and not pick out a few words and react off those. It sounds to me like you are grandstanding! How about instead of telling me you try talking to me, or not ..................sigh of exasperation. I think I need to go back to bed~! | |
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Posted: 5/10/2006 1:07:11 AM | Maybe I should of just taken a leaf out of your book dreamcatcher....................blah blah prince of passion.
Funny thing tatguy........... sounds like you were giving your opinion??? | |
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Posted: 5/10/2006 4:15:19 AM | well damn it i will turn it into a political debate,
ok unions bought in the 8 hr day many years ago as mining capitalism was running rampant,a bloody good thing they did,men were working big hours,safety was most likely not a word heard of,safety equipment consisted of candles.but maybe they were just to see with.
in the 70s retrenchments became a new catch phrase for the mining industry managers,maybe they were right for at the time most base metal prices were at historic lows so the deadwood so to speak had to go,and there was a lot of deadwood about as the unions had made the working man strong in numbers but maybe a little lethargic in the singular.
the unionism began to decline and is only now starting to incline again,slowly but surely as the cycle repeats due to many factors including lil johnnies new laws.
80s saw contractors beginning to appear,then slowly stabilise during the 90s,of course we also now have the stockholders to consider from the management point of view.
the worker now has bank foreclosures to consider in this credit society also it is much harder to strike from a legal viewpoint.
so to bill shorten,is he a genuine gentleman,a friend of the fellows who were in trouble,or merely a union official interested in furthering his political career.i dont know i have no idea so you must draw your own conclusions.
to matthew gill,i have worked under him at another gold mine overseas and there was a high mortality rate there in my humble opinion.
anyway to the men
bloody top job all around,
to the media
i have probably totally confused you all now but if you like to read try the peaks of lyell by geoffrey blainey.....its where im at... | |
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Posted: 5/10/2006 5:59:03 AM | Actually redneck.
The issue was raised about the removal of too many naturl rock coloums which held up the chambers.
There was a uranimum mine in the territory with a similar problem and they solved it by just drilling a few vertical drop holes and dropping a whole heap of either tailings or just town garbage down there. The dozers just pushed it into all corners as it fell down the shafts. You still got some subsistence but it was minimal. Not earthquake standard.
They ended up setting some silly world record for the worlds deepest rubbish tip. | |
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Posted: 5/10/2006 6:09:49 AM | Dream catcher
I've done year 12 gelogy with straigh As and have always had a big interest in it since then.
Tasmania is not even on minor fault lines so shouldn't have any problems for anotheer hundred thousadn years or so when it drifts over teh hot spot which cereated the Victorian volcano called Tower Hill.
This "earthquake" wasn't a quake at all. It was something called subsidence.
This happens when too much material is removed from a mine and no props or fill left to hold up the roof. The chamber eventually collapses.
Some mines, especially mines located far away from towns, will actually mine this way deliberiately. Clean the whole chamber out of ore and let it collapse. Give that area a few years for the rocks to settle and only then go back in.
But the Beaconsfied mine wasn't being worked in this way. Natural rock suporting colums were meant to be left to prevent these bave ints andthey wernt because they contained valuable ore. There was a cave in, that caused a local ised earthquake, which caused further cave ins, which trapped the miners.. | |
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Posted: 5/10/2006 3:53:28 PM | 'blah blah to tatguy'
For what?
For reading your innapropriate diatribe about God in a forum started to express thoughts towards the well being of the miners that were trapped, and commenting on it being in the wrong forum????
And so what if I was expressing an opinion?
Oh yeah, one more thing........why was this thread started by an American?
Hmmmmm.
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Posted: 5/10/2006 4:05:22 PM | So thrilled to hear about the 2 miners safe return home!
Whether it be luck, man or God that got them home we can all agree its incredible. Our hearts go out to all the families in this ordeal.
off topic a bit.. i personally think its a bit arrogant to think man alone got these men out of there. I think most men would have given up a week ago based on our science and experience. If it werent for hope, miracles and faith there would have been no reason to make this a rescue mission. By our own admission it was fairly unlikely they would reach them in time but yet we hoped and prayed world wide for the best of outcomes....why? because we all know miracles and something outside of mere men's control determines outcome in alot of situations.
I for one dont question God or why bad things still happen. I know in my life bad things have happened...horrible things in fact that later contributed to greater purposes. Maybe God isnt all good or non-existant...maybe its something in between....and just maybe as humans we cant assume to know or ever figure out the answer to that.
By the way I am not a particularly religious person but i KNOW miracles happen. | |
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Posted: 5/19/2006 5:45:15 AM |
Oh yeah, one more thing........why was this thread started by an American?
Hmmmmm.
because if the american bothered to look there were already 3 threads started by australians concerning the welcome relief that the miners have been rescued safe and well.
Well, I started this thread as the only thread at the time. I did a search before doing so; perhaps, I overlooked other threads, but I think not.
As an American who sincerely cares about Australia and who hopes to travel there someday, and whose own land has mining tragedies almost on a regular basis -- a few very recently -- this story of this miracle affected me and I just wanted to express my feelings. I didn't realize that to some of you, these emotions coming from an interested American, were not welcome.
That said, I still plan on traveling to your beautiful country. | |
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Posted: 5/19/2006 6:04:14 AM | I'm not offended, but thanks for making me feel better.
Yeah, your PM seems to have the same affliction that many others do, and there seems to be no cure in sight. A cure. Now that's a miracle we should ALL pray for. | |
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Posted: 5/19/2006 6:44:30 AM | it would make a good porn movie
lil john doing the chimp and vicey versa
serioous but,it was f//uc//king ,amazing that they came out | |
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Posted: 5/19/2006 6:48:39 AM | 
Now that's priceless!! Put 'em both in there.
I am a former airline employee and have traveled quite abit but never got to your country. I do know what is meant by "not defending" my government. I think if you were to read some of my comments in the current events/political forums you would notice that I am very adamant about what is happening to our people -- our country.
But on topic -- I think that perhaps, your country has better means of rescue. Of the miners, I mean. From all the film footage on tv, apparently your mine is solid rock and so very, very deep. Ours, are mixed medium, and usually cave in or the toxic gas get them before the miners can get out--alive. We lost 6 recently who scrawled their last remarks on whatever they had available--brave souls to the end. | |
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Posted: 5/19/2006 7:02:03 AM | brave souls to the end???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
just probably poor old bu.gger,s who could not quite make the payments
they may of been seen to be brave souls and in that situation i would agree.
where the f u/ck are the owners/managers in this day we can send man to the moon,i dont know it just makes me wild,if our p.ms son was leading troops somewhere i may think different
cowardly no good bas tar ds yes i have gone off topic cruisading again | |
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Posted: 5/20/2006 12:05:56 AM | Yes Hurrah for them and those that got them out and sympathy to the family of the man that didnt make it. I watched this stroy on the news and it didnt look good for them with all the difficulties and the time it took. I think that Australia should be proud of these guys that remained in good spirits and came out giving a smile and a thumbs up. Almost brushing it off like it wasnt a big deal. They showed that spirit that seems to run through all Aussies. These guys wont be buying their own beer in the pub for a while. Great story all around.   | |
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Posted: 5/22/2006 4:49:27 PM | No matter what technological improvements - goin down to the bowels of the earth is always goin to be dangerous.
The 3 American miners made big news here too. Sorry that they couldn't be rescued - I guess we all can empathise.
My dad was a coal miner in england and tells me stories:
about the blind pit ponies that lived & died down in the darkness (except for christmas day when they were brought up to breathe fresh air)
the 14 year olds working down in the most dangerous parts of the pit because they were still small and agile
the 15 year olds put to work to save the family from eviction because the father had been killed or injured down the pit (thats how my dad started down).
The miners deserve every penny of compensation they get. | |
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