| Are American women out of control [Thread Closed]
Posted: 2/21/2005 11:00:24 AM | Now easy does it Ladies.
I am sure this is going to arc something in a few.
I am just asking a question.
Both my brothers are with foreign women, they seem to be much more content with them than some of the American women they where with.
I know my luck with American woman has not been good, I have never been with a Foreign woman but I sure as heck am much more open to the idea.
The one thing I see is these Foreign women come from places like the Middle East, Thai Land, Mexico, etc., where a Man is a Man and a Woman is a Woman, like its been and its worked since the begining of time.
Now, like everything else in this Country, freedom is going overboard, Men & Women are NOT the same, why do we as humans want to try an change this, its like trying to change the color of the sky, ya can not do it.
Now clearly, by no means do I think the women should be a slave, like I think some Men think, well I don't, I think the traditional role worked better than whats going on today, we have less marriage, more divorce, more spouse abuse, its bad, we all know it is. | |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 11:13:11 AM | | I think today's American women are far more independent then they were even 10 years ago and therefore less needy of the idea of getting married at a young age. They want to go out and have some fun and enjoy life before settling down and i see nothing wrong with that, we men have been doing this since the beginning of time. Those who do marry at a young age or more then likely to end up in divorce court this is a proven fact because they did'nt get a chance to know their partner and what they really wanted out of life so lets not knock them for being smarter | |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 11:13:46 AM | I tried to find a clear question in this, ...."Why do we as humans want to change this", is as close as I got.
Just an answer:
Because nature no longer holds the reigns of our evolution, we do.
BTW, Many of the "points" you are trying to make are already being discussed here:
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts387202.aspx | |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 11:29:33 AM | It's a good discussion but you can't have it here. The avenging angels of the sisterhood will descend upon your thread like locusts and leave only bare stalks where the wheat should have grown.
For example,
Let's say you were put off by antagonism, hostility and bigotry against men, and you wondered whether women knew or cared they have turned into the anti-sweetie. You might think, I will wander down to the forum and raise this to gather people's ideas. You would be like the unsuspecting rebok coming to the edge of the water, unaware of the panther on the branch above.
You will be told harshly these things:
a) quit whining
b) quit blaming women
c) if you can't handle independent women, you have no testicles
Then a few milder mannered men will chime in to support the new ruling gender, in hopes they will curry favor and be alowed access to the portal of ecstacy.
Lastly, think not your sense of humor will protect you: it is powerless against the wrath of the avenging sisters.
Now I have to go change my name again...good luck, guy... | |
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| Are American women out of control
Posted: 2/21/2005 11:33:11 AM | lol at you quix - this is too hard to type anyway
you could have saved yourself by saying Canadian women aren't *wink* LMAO  | |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 11:38:58 AM |
Then a few milder mannered men will chime in to support the new ruling gender, in hopes they will curry favor and be alowed access to the portal of ecstacy.
Me thinks you doth project too much,
Some men have daughters, those "chimes" have no such hidden agenda.
Conversely:
Some men really should avoid becoming a parent, for the sake of the yet to be born, baby/girl/woman. | |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 11:40:49 AM | Ok Fire ... when the purple sky that exists in your world turns blue again then maybe you will realize that society has changed since the 1800s and women are actually allowed to have an education and think for themselves. They are even allowed to have a career.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with not wanting a marriage. Marriage costs way too much money, and if it ends up in Divorce Court it costs even more. Besides ... why do 2 people need a piece of paper to say they are a couple???? | |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 11:42:27 AM |
Then a few milder mannered men will chime in to support the new ruling gender, in hopes they will curry favor and be alowed access to the portal of ecstacy.
Nice statement. Just replace "milder mannered men" with "more evolved men". | |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 11:50:37 AM | @ Jen
Many men can't wrap their heads around this, ....not wired that way.
Some MUST project their fear of "strong" woman on others of their own gender, by implying either weakness or duplicity........
Otherwise a carefully crafted house of cards must be abandoned.
@ baby
Too funny! | |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 11:54:04 AM | | Yes, if I was more evolved I would welcome hostility and abuse. I will stay not evolved for now. Raw meat and muscle cars for me. | |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 11:56:32 AM | | Who say's it's all women that are out of control, some of us women know what we want, and there are alot of out of control men out there too. I think it's an equal tie... | |
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Missy
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| Are American women out of control
Posted: 2/21/2005 1:25:44 PM |
where a Man is a Man and a Woman is a Woman, like its been and its worked since the begining of time.
I think you should do a bit of research before the world was a patriarchal society and was a matriarchal society. Maybe a bit of understanding of this would help you to see that it wasn't and hasn't been like that since the beginning of time. It sure opened my eyes.
Personally, I'm think that people are going for a balance, a better balance. If you look in the past, women were oppressed very badly and even at one point there was a vote on if women were the same species as males. Look it up! It's all there.
However, I'm not totally in agreement with the women's movement either, only some of their aspects are good and well. Some has been taken a bit far yet I also understand why this is so. Today and I mean this very day right now, women are still paid less.
Things as such will remain to be a constant fight until it is equal. Well aspects as such that is.
Now on the other hand about men and women in America not knowing their "roles" since the say.. 1950's, when things were still more male dominated. I still say it's a matter of balance. So instead of men and women going off on each other about this or that, I feel more understanding of one another and growing is what is needed. Not the fighting of this or that.
My husband and I have worked a lot on this. There were things he had pushed on him growing up and being a male in today's society that he just really was annoyed with. We changed that. For instance, it was his job to take out the garbage. I know this may seem like a small thing but he was told to do it with the belief that it was a "male role". So guess what, I take it out in our home. He does it when he feels the need to and isn't so bothered by it because it's not his job to do so based on him being a male. On the reverse, I don't like doing the bathroom cleaning as I was told growing up it was the girl's job to do. He'll clean the bathrooms and I'll do it sometimes as well.
A partnership should be based on the two people. NOT what's been taught is either 'female' or 'male' roles. I teach this to my children as well. Once they started school I noticed more fighting about "Oh that's a girl thing!" or "Oh that's a boy thing!". So I've had lots of talks with my children on this and all of my kids seem to be catching on that the roles placed on them are something that isn't of their thinking or how they were brought up but rather what society and in school has taught them. It's nice to see them work together instead of fighting over who does what based on their gender. I think if we all, as a whole, did this a lot of the debate would blow away and we'd see each other as humans, not a gender.
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Posted: 2/21/2005 2:20:40 PM | | How do you like being needy and wussified? I assume you're including yourself..? Explain this one to me if you please. | |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 2:21:37 PM | men's and women's roles in society are ALWAYS changing...
During the nineteenth century, many people had it so bad they couldn't even afford to get married and raise families.
The choices all of us have now are way better than they've ever been and men shouldn't begrudge women what they've been cheated out of almost forever...
Alot of us guys are all upset about women getting equal rights in the workplace and so forth, but they're not going to give them back... They've earned them and fought and died to get them and they deserve them.
Unless you want to join some Taliban or something or live in a society where the only people who have anything are the Dubyah's of the world and the rest of us are just making pyramids, I don't think you'll ever live in that kind of society again as women aren't going to let it happen and they DO have the power whether or not to do so.
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Posted: 2/21/2005 6:18:47 PM |
Now clearly, by no means do I think the women should be a slave, like I think some Men think, well I don't, I think the traditional role worked better than whats going on today, we have less marriage, more divorce, more spouse abuse, its bad, we all know it is.
On the surface, this assumption has some truth to it, BUT you fail to realize that women in those particular countries of which you speak, do NOT have a voice to defend themselvs with. Spousal abuse is rampant in the middle east, it is EXPECTED for the man to beat his wife at least for the first year of their marraige until he trains her. These women may WANT to leave their arranged marraiges and abusive husband, but do not have the freedom nor the means to do it. FURTHERMORE...if these foreign women are so wonderful (not bagging on foreign women, just making a point folks) then why do they feel the need to go outside of their own culture to marry?? The observation that north american women are out of control is misdirected. The only reason it seems that way is because american women have a voice, do not keep silent about their abusers as much anymore and have the power to make an effort to make a change and escape the situation alive. | |
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Posted: 2/21/2005 6:21:09 PM | I would like to thank everyone for the reply,
I have learned alot here and thats a good thing.
dark_ice_angel, your right, its both are out of control, not all.
schweetassdoll you said alot of good stuff, I'll probably read it again, sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders.
For someone to never of ran accross an out of control Woman or Man here in America, well I would have to say either you don't get out much or are in some kind of denial or very naive.
Hey quixoticus, whats "The avenging angels of the sisterhood", there gonna descend upon my thread like locusts and leave only bare stalks where the wheat should have grown.
Say what ?
Thats funny!
Don't change your name profile cause of what you wrote, I am not easily offended.
I honestly go out on the edge with discussing things, however I do the most important thing in this, I listen and more important I understand I will keep asking questions over and over until I do understand, if thats what it takes! I do not know everything, I have much to learn, learning will stop when I stop, 6' under!
Hey again thanks for the responses.
See ya................... | |
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