| The CBC needs changes....
Posted: 6/10/2006 7:19:20 PM | | what is with the CBC? When will Bob Cole step down and make room for young blood? Heck, he doesn't even call the play any more. Even i can say "Edmonton has the puck...turnover at centre ice...now Carolina has posession...."...Sheeesh! This is Ridiculous! And, even Don Cherry is losing it! He, in the past, has always had a pro-Canadian way of doing things, expressing himself, etc....but what was with him wearing a suit, which I might add, he would call someone a 'fruit' for wearing only a few years ago, going out on the ice with Ron McLean pre-game and having a speil? reminds me of an American championship game that is played in January....again, a few years back, for the integrity of the Canadian people, things like this would not have happened for the sake of being Canadian; having a Canadian identity!!! It is a sad state of affairs on that network and I feel changes should be made...through-out. Maybe have Tom Green replace Cherry, I dunno. But, again, change is needed.....Go Oilers! | |
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Posted: 6/10/2006 8:01:40 PM | | Here I thought I just might have been the only one that felt this way. I can't stand the way Bob Cole calls the game. Your example is definitely a good one. One thing that drives me up the wall is "Edmonton clears the puck...they didn't get it out though" or there's "what a shot by Smyth, would've been a goal had it gone in"...like really, what kind of play by play is that?? I'm also not that fond of his colour man either. Harry Neale could be replaced and not much would be lost. And I think Don Cherry changed due to the censors. He can't act/speak the way he used to. It sucks. | |
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| The CBC needs changes....
Posted: 6/11/2006 12:07:42 AM | You're both fired for speaking ill of Bob Cole.
As for Don Cherry.... I find him overly redundant... BUT, well worth watching for those stylin' suits he has. =) | |
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| The CBC needs changes....
Posted: 6/11/2006 7:03:49 AM | The biggest problem with the CBC is their head of sports Nancy Lee,
While the broad has been in charge of network sports, their CFL coverage somehow got worse, she lost the Olympics to CTV, almost lost Ron McLean, fired Chris Cuthbert and has managed to let Brian Williams escapte to CTV.
If she were a man she would have been fired long before her more recent mistakes
Cun/t | |
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| The CBC needs changes....
Posted: 6/11/2006 8:37:43 AM | | ...and what is with that Elliotte Friedman? Everytime when he talks, his bottom lip 'curls' around backwards...most annying to watch. They should sent him to linguistics class.... | |
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| The CBC needs changes....
Posted: 6/12/2006 10:10:19 PM | i don't wacth cbc hockey, enless they are the only once carring the game. there camra's are always benind the play, or zoomed in to much. its horriable. and the sportscasters drive me nuts, i hate how you can tell what teams they are pulling for, as a live broadcaster you should try and keep your personal prefence to yourself. at least during the game. and they have no clue whats going on in the game for the most part. heck i am at home wacthing on there poor angles and i can tell who got the penilty. they never seem to know. and as for cherry, i still like him wish he could be on nbc.
try nbc next game. they do a great job. way better to wacth then cbc. the broadcasters are alittle better. camras not so zoomed in. its just a better broadcast. | |
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| The CBC needs changes....
Posted: 6/13/2006 1:18:19 PM | bob cole was a good commentator. WAS. He makes too many mistakes now and rambles on about nonsensical matters during the course of play.
The CBC should hire Pierre McGuire! | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 4:01:31 PM | "The CBC should hire Pierre McGuire! "
Good lord!! Are you serious!! That guy is SO annoying!! Especially when he refers to the boards as "the wall"!! What total bullshit THAT is!! Makes him sound like a complete moron who knows absolutely nothing about hockey.
What's next? Referring to the net as a 'greenhouse'?!
*** Special note to Pierre McGuire: The upright structure surrounding the ice surface of a hockey rink is referred to as "the boards" and NOT "the wall"!!! ***
Please stop 'dumbing it down.'!
This is Canada. We KNOW our hockey!!!
Back on topic; it's not just in hockey that the CBC needs changes. They've been in a flat spin for years and desperately need to clean out the dead wood at the top.
As for the HNIC theme fiasco, it looks more and more like CTV did the dirty and sleazed their way in there before negotiations were actually finished between CBC and the composer's agent. Depending on just when they moved in, I wonder if there might be grounds for some sort of 'tampering' charges. I would love to see that!
In any case, a bad PR move by CTV. First with the sleaze; then in their poor choice of buying a theme which is inextricably linked with the CBC. Nice one, bozos!! | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 4:58:16 PM | """...As for the HNIC theme fiasco, it looks more and more like CTV did the dirty and sleazed their way in there before negotiations were actually finished between CBC and the composer's agent. Depending on just when they moved in, I wonder if there might be grounds for some sort of 'tampering' charges..."""
Sorry grog. Dead wrong on that one. CBC had 4 years to get their sh1t together with this woman. She's been in court with these bozos for the last 4 years for breach of contract and they've been playing the game of runaround with her ever since. This time last year they knew they had generated such illwill with the woman that they started making preparations for a new song.
They announced a 100K grand prize for a new songwriter and a new song. Once they made that announcement their phones rang off the hook with irate fans demanding they keep the old song.. They decided to hire Gord kirke to try and rengotiate with a woman that has been trying to sue them for the last four years. Too late to try and be nice after four years of jerking the woman's chain. The execs at CBC Sports should be handed their hat and walked right out the door. They're morons to the nth degree for losing that song all on their own. They were selling ringtone downloads and not compensating the writer on royalties. That was just one item of the lawsuit.
Thread: Hockey Night in Canada Song
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts10126864.aspx
"""...In any case, a bad PR move by CTV...Nice one, bozos!! """
On the contrary. The bozos reside at CBC.
After 4 frustrating years the lady basically told CBC to stick it where the sun don't shine. They blew it all on their own contrary to what their execs are saying on cbc.ca | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 7:49:50 PM | | The question is does the cbc need changes?If you are old school you would stick with bob cole, don cherry and his suits , the song ,.Or you would modernize the whole presentation, with all new personalities.The question is, what responsibility does the cbc have to our heritage and to the taxpayer. After all its the canadian taxpayer who funds the cbc..My opinion is make wholesale changes.Get with the youth of this century and make sure the sports you present are progressive. otherwise i think you will loose a large part of a whole new generation.For guys like me who remember foster and bill hewitt, gordie howe etc its the past.Concentrate on the youth of the nation after all they are the future.The past keep in a museum | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 9:20:42 PM | "CBC had 4 years to get their sh1t together with this woman. She's been in court with these bozos for the last 4 years for breach of contract and they've been playing the game of runaround with her ever since. This time last year they knew they had generated such illwill with the woman that they started making preparations for a new song."
Could you please post a link where one could read up on this interesting tale of woe?
"On the contrary. The bozos reside at CBC."
That goes without saying. However, it simply cannot be denied that every time people hear that theme, they will think of HNIC and, by extension, the CBC. Not too clever a move, is it?. Kind of like Canada buying the rights to the Star Spangled Banner.
I say let Stephen Colbert have the theme! | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 11:29:36 PM | ""Could you please post a link where one could read up on this interesting tale of woe?""
Composer of 'Hockey Night in Canada' theme sues CBC
Thursday, November 18, 2004
http://www.cbc.ca/arts/story/2004/11/18/hockeytunesue041118.html
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http://www.hockeytheme.com/StatementOfClaim.pdf
http://www.kemplaw.net/hnic-litigation.html
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...2008 licence renewal negotiations with CBC
Published reports indicate that the impasse was caused by the CBC's offer to buy the theme outright for significantly less than Claman's representatives believe it to be worth, as well as the complications relating to the ongoing lawsuit.[18]
The CBC were presented with a number of solutions by the publisher including a license virtually identical to the one in place for the better part of the previous ten years. This calculated to between $400 and $500 per three-hour game. One exception being that "as a gesture of goodwill" the publisher and Claman were offering that there be no increase in fee for the first two years. The CBC had until the end of June 6, 2008 to accept this offer but, instead, announced their contest to find a new theme.
While negotiations resumed late on June 5 and continued the following day, in the early evening of June 6 the CBC announced it could not reach an acceptable agreement, and would proceed with a contest for a new theme in collaboration with music label Nettwerk, with the winner receiving $100,000 (the CBC would presumably have full ownership of the theme thereafter).[19]
“ We share with all Canadians the disappointment of this news, as we feel as strongly about the theme as they do. We are proud of the association with the former theme song and are saddened that we were unable to reach a deal, especially when we presented an offer which we believe was not substantively different from what the rights holders had proposed to us. We love the song and know this is a huge disappointment for us and for millions of Canadians. As of today, CBC Sports is moving forward with our plan to have the Canadian public compose the new Hockey Night in Canada theme song.[19] ”
—Scott Moore, executive director of CBC Sports
“ This afternoon John Ciccone communicated with Scott Moore of CBC and requested a meeting on Monday to further discuss the issues surrounding the Hockey Theme. At 4:59 PM (one minute before CBC's deadline) Mr. Moore advised that CBC intended to proceed with an announcement of a National contest unless he had the basis for an agreement. Ms. Claman is saddened and disappointed that CBC is not prepared to negotiate further.[15] ”
—Statement from Copyright Music & Visuals, Dolores Claman's publisher
The CBC said it had offered nearly $1 million for perpetual rights to the piece,[20] but that Copyright Music was asking for $2.5 to $3 million for those rights. According to Claman, the CBC had offered her $850,000.[4] The proposal to CBC suggesting they purchase the song outright, was based on industry standard formulae to derive a purchase price.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hockey_Theme#cite_note-17
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CBC fumbles negotiations on Hockey Night theme
Globe and Mail
June 5, 2008
A lowball offer by the CBC to buy the Hockey Night in Canada theme song from its composer prompted the temporary collapse of year-long negotiations and a national furor Thursday over the future of the iconic anthem, the man in charge of its copyright says.
...But a bigger stumbling block, Mr. Moore noted, is the ongoing lawsuit Ms. Claman and Mr. Ciccone's firm filed against the CBC in late 2004. The plaintiffs argue the network was using the song beyond the scope of the contract.
“You wouldn't do business with someone who's suing you. So we've offered many different ways to settle that litigation,” Mr. Ciccone said.
A day of mediation failed last week, and things came to a head when CBC set a deadline of noon Wednesday, on grounds it would need time to find a replacement song if a deal could not be struck, Mr. Ciccone said...
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080605.whockey06/BNStory/Front/home
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Then on friday, June 6th, CBC gave it up and finally announced the contest
CBC Press Release:
CBC'S HOCKEY NIGHT IN CANADA to introduce $100,000 search for new theme song
National songwriting contest open to all Canadians
TORONTO, June 6
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/June2008/06/c9522.html
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Over the weekend they were flooded with angry callers and Monday morning they announced they were going to pry Gord kirke away from his busy duties and responsibilities finding a GM for the Maple leafs and hire him to reopen negotiations using him as an arbritrator. Unfortunately Ms. Claman had other plans that Monday and sold the rights to her song into perpetuity.
Hockey Night song dispute going back to mediator
Last Updated: Monday, June 9, 2008 | 11:33 AM ET
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/story/2008/06/09/hnic-theme.html
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""... The deal between CTV and Copyright Music & Visuals was agreed to in principle after the CBC publicly announced last Friday at 5 p.m. ET that a deal could not be reached with the rights holders. Due diligence was completed earlier today.
..."I am very moved by how so many Canadians have taken the hockey theme to heart. We are so pleased the song has found a new home," said Claman. "CTV has displayed a tremendous amount of respect for my family and the song in our discussions. 'The Hockey Theme' means so much to Canadians, and we know it's in good hands with CTV."
...'The Hockey Theme' song will now live on CTV Inc. properties TSN, RDS and across Canada on CTV during coverage of the upcoming Vancouver 2010 Olympics as outlined below...
... The announcement complements TSN's new six-year multi-platform NHL deal, featuring more coverage of Canadian teams than ever before with at least one
Canadian team in every game. Earlier this year, RDS extended its exclusive rights agreement with the Montreal Canadiens through the 2012-13 season. CTV, together with TSN and RDS, boast the most powerful and prestigious sports programming lineup in the country...
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/June2008/09/c9921.html
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So now that the dust has settled, some of the sordid details of CBC's arrogance toward Ms. Claman that went on right from many years ago:
Open Letter (which gets longer every day)
From John Ciccone -Publishing Copyright Administrator:
"""... looking back to all that the CBC said and did over the last six years, and especially over the last year, it is clear in my opinion that they just wanted to be rid of the song all along. Perhaps they didn't like the fact that they didn't own the song... or that they couldn't control it by forcing their size on you. Or perhaps they just wanted it on their terms which was a small part of what others had offered in the past. Years of hearing over and over and over, that the song simply wasn't that important. That people didn't care that much. That they'd forget about it...
Since that first meeting in autumn of 2002 when another CBC lawyer and executive looked at me and said "We'll just drop the song if we don't get what we want", I knew we were in trouble.
Trouble because of their decision to 'bully' one of the most forgiving, and fair-minded people I'd ever met. This is how they chose to treat Dolores, the woman who forgave 25 years of unlicensed use. Who agreed to a royalty fee worth a fraction of the cost of one netcam per game. All because she thought it'd be best to have an amicable, friendly relationship and move ahead to the future. Better for everyone and maybe even for Canadian history. To this day, 6 years later, I still do not understand the mindset that would make that call and turn against Dolores.
... as a matter of public record, you can obtain from the courts the transcripts of CBC executives in discovery under oath. CBC's direct responses to our claim can be found there. I'm confident that you would find it compelling.
As another solution, we gave the CBC a license that was virtually identical to the one we had in place for most of the last ten years. This was the $500 per 3-hour game broadcast idea... not the multimillion dollar sole option that Mr. Moore of the CBC painted on this evening's news!
But had they signed that same $500 license any time up to Friday evening, they'd have the song today. And for years to come. Instead, they chose to try another 'bullying' job at one minute to five and tell us we had to accept their deal or they were going ahead with the contest, and that no-one would care, and if the public of Canada did care they'd forget about it soon enough, it's not worth continuing the same license... and just about anything else that can continue to drag this song and it's composer through the mud. As you can see, instead of signing our offer, they announced their contest.
We also suggested that they could purchase it the way any music publisher buys a song. That's an easy one: take the average annual earnings of a song, multiply by 13, there's your price tag. Simple as that. At that same time I showed, with facts, how the song could earn and save money for the CBC. All going towards recovering their costs. Maybe taxpayers might like that idea..."""
June 9, 2008
http://www.hockeytheme.com/
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Anyway his letter is pretty long and sheds light on what appeared to be a fairly contentious situation. Then we have the songwriters daughter spouting off a bit at the CBC but i suppose that wouldn't be out of the ordinary:
How CBC Lost Its Hockey Theme
Inside story includes angry account by composer's daughter.
...Dolores Claman has been looking for respect from the CBC for a long time. Twenty years ago, not long after complex changes in rights began to earn her royalties for the song, there was another controversy. She wanted a credit at the end of the broadcast. You know, "Theme Song: Dolores Claman." Even though the federal government had just introduced a law requiring such credits, CBC refused to add her name to the long list of gaffers and knob-twiddlers....Ciccone told The Tyee the CBC continued to regularly omit Claman's name when it ran full credits, despite a contract that required it. "
Ciccone also says CBC failed for years to provide a requested accounting of numerous uses of the song outside the terms of their contract. That prompted Claman to sue the CBC in 2004 for $2.5 million...
http://thetyee.ca/Mediacheck/2008/06/13/HockeyAnthem/
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As to what effect this will have on people thinking it's associated with HNIC and henceforth and therefore CBC, I dunno. Time changes things as the years roll on by. Twenty five years from now the hockey fans won't remember it as CBC's song just like 25 years ago some might be able to remember Foster and Bill Hewitt, Brian MacFarlane, D1ck Irvine, Danny Gallivan and Howie Meeker, Bob Goldham, Dave Hodge and all the other old CBC cronies including Neil Young's dad at one time in the early years. But nobody twenty or thirty years younger remembers these guys. Time passes and things change. That song was like a call to arms for 40 years across the nation on saturday night. CBC sports execs blew a tire on this one for sure. But hey that's the way it goes sometimes I guess. Life carries on. I'm sure we'll all get thru it.
that tyee article linked above at the end kind of addresses it a bit:
"""...how much damage has CBC done to its Saturday night hockey franchise? Is it true, as Scott Moore said, that everything beyond the game itself on Hockey Night in Canada "is just window dressing"? How do Don Cherry's suits feel about that?...
...Will hearing Claman's iconic music on TSN and CTV make it easier for English Canadians to detach themselves from CBC's Hockey Night in Canada tradition -- and for CBC to write off sports entirely?
...Hockey Night in Canada is a brand that depends on its symbols. "If a brand intentionally loses its symbols, the owners have lost their marbles."""
http://thetyee.ca/Mediacheck/2008/06/13/HockeyAnthem/
http://web.canoe.ca/search?sen=yahoo&q=hockey%20theme&ie=ISO-8859-1
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So there you have a lot of the rest of the story behind what's quite often referred to as our 2nd national anthem. Some taxpayers are happy that CBC didn't pay even though it didn't sound like the going rate at renewal time was anymore or much more than it had been the prior decade. I guess we're supposed to believe that an 80 year old woman tried to get greedy on the CBC. hmmm. Anyway, it's gone now. Changes... | |
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Posted: 6/22/2008 8:44:51 PM | ^^^
Perhaps I should have been more precise!?!
When I said "link" I just meant the address of the story...not the whole damn story!!!
Anyway, it IS just a song. This story, as they say in the media, does NOT 'have legs.' I don't think anybody really cares anymore... | |
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| The CBC needs changes....
Posted: 6/22/2008 9:35:03 PM | What sporting events does CBC have left? They've lost the CFL (took them how many years to realize they play all summer long and the season doesn't just start on Labour Day?). I believe they've lost curling. They've lost the Olympics. How long before they lose Jays broadcasts and the NHL? What are they going to have left... equestrian and the Commonwealth Games? While it sucks for people who do not have access to channels like TSN... what can you do? They're showing a real commitment to sporting leagues who need television revenue and exposure.
The CBC has taken for granted that, being a public broadcaster, they should just get everything handed to them. No. CBC has just as many commercials as anybody else... maybe even more. They should have plenty enough advertising revenue to compete for broadcasting rights and show some longterm commitment. Then they mope and cry about how they've lost everything on their final broadcasts of the Grey Cup and the Brier? Boo f*cking hoo hoo! The "end of an era" was your doing, not ours. I'm not going to petition Mark Cohon to let the CBC continue their poor coverage when TSN has been forging a solid partnership to build stability of the league for how many years now. They have a passion for the game that hasn't existed on CBC in my lifetime. | |
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