| What is women’s position in your religion?
Posted: 7/3/2006 7:11:10 AM | Do you feel women are degraded in your religion or any other religion?
If you are going to make a point regarding any particular religion – then please back it up with true verse or quotations from their religious doctrines. I don’t want to hear your false ideas or false impression regarding a particular religion.
Good things - whether they are true or not – are not as harmful as some untrue negative stuff regarding a religion. That is why I believe negative implications that are not true (regarding any particular religion) should be avoided.
There are many negative stuff regarding woman’s issues in most religion. Some of them are true, some of them are product of misinterpretations and some of them are viciously put out by evil critics.
I basically want to see the true ones but if you don’t know your source then please mention that - it is your personal opinion or mention that you heard it somewhere. But PLEASE DO NOT put it out as a fact.
Okay—let me mention my position on this…
When God said – “all men/women are made equal”--- he meant it literally. He meant they are equal to him and he loves both equally. Even though as different genders – our value to God is equal. However, while creating man and woman – God did make certain differences. Everyone knows what these differences are!!
Yes! The differences are quite obvious. There is difference in physique and also there are some differences on emotional grounds. Men are IMO naturally lustier beings. Women on the other hand are too “trusting” and as a result can be fooled quite easily (forbidden fruit incident). Other than physique there are many controversial differences – so I am not going to get into details BUT my point is – there are certain differences!!! So, my second question is – do these differences make any difference? And if so how?
Well I believe the difference will somewhat come into play on the day we will be judged by God. I believe on the judgment day – God will take into account whether someone was man or a woman. A woman who went through nine months of pregnancy and gave birth to a child and raised him will be rewarded for their deeds. A man doesn’t get pregnant – so this is a woman’s advantage. Many women think of pregnancy as an unjustifiable burden. They ask – why man got away from this excruciating experience. They fail to realize that - they will be rewarded for this deed. So they should think of themselves to be blessed rather than cursed IMO.
I believe traditionally women have been degraded since the days most famous religions made their debut and later established. Because of difference in strength – women were suppressed ever since the beginning. Only recently things are changing for the better.  
But the problem is – since most famous religions were introduced at a time of suppression of women – its influence has effectively made its way into those religious practices. This has nothing to do with the true teachings of those religions IMO. It makes me mad  that why people don’t take into account the existing situations of those societies and then try to understand the reason behind certain teachings.
You cannot introduce a religion to some primitive ruthless people and tell them to completely change their old outlook and practices. If a true prophet wanted to make drastic change in the way of thinking of the people he was dealing with - then he couldn’t have been able to make even one step before he would have been eliminated from the face of the earth. That prophet could never succeed in introducing his religion, let alone spread it. As we already know that - many prophets died in their endeavor.
Let me give an analogical example --- You cannot go to a biker’s bar and tell hundreds of bikers that – riding bike is wrong, tattoos are wrong and drinking is wrong. If these things were wrong then you have to start somewhere nice and easy. Imagine what will happen to you if you tell those bikers straight up on the faces that unless they change - they will be doomed!!!
So, it is safe to say that - the prophets gave us indications to the best of their ability (in a hostile atmosphere). We need to understand this and try to evolve into what God actually wanted us to believe. And that is – Men and women are absolutely created equal. So IMO a righteous woman should be allowed to be the head of a Godly house … (at a Godly house where at least just the women could visit… that’s just a minimum IMO).
Now let me hear what you think about – women’s position in certain religions. | |
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| What is women’s position in your religion?
Posted: 3/28/2007 6:18:23 PM | | As someone who follows a Spiritual Path where there are both gods and goddesses, the position of women in my religion is equal to that of the men. Among the acient Norse/Viking peoples, which is what my path is based on, women could own property, vote, divorse her husband just as equally as he could divorse her, and when a man got handfasted/married, he often moved in with his wife's family. Women were treated better among the ancient Norse peoples than among most other ancient cultures with the exception of their neighbors, the Celts. On a personal note, I feel that women should have equal rights that men have in ALL things. | |
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| What is women’s position in your religion?
Posted: 3/29/2007 6:35:59 AM |
You cannot go to a biker’s bar and tell hundreds of bikers that – riding bike is wrong, tattoos are wrong and drinking is wrong. If these things were wrong then you have to start somewhere nice and easy. Imagine what will happen to you if you tell those bikers straight up on the faces that unless they change - they will be doomed!!!
Well, I've seen this happen. And they laugh. Quite histerically. Some of them get a little roudy, some of them start a philisophical debate...and quite often win. They're not all a bunch of hoodlums wanting to fight on a regular basis - they only fight when they think they have to. Usually *Not* when someone makes some kind of ridiculous remark. They always give warnings - "You're not wanted here. Go away."
That being said - on the subject of womens positions in religion. The path I follow holds women in high regard. Perhaps that's part of the reason why I went to it in the first place - being a woman and all - but there are religions that do not hold women in high regard. At least not to my opinion of what high regard is.
I think that even in those cases - it is not necessarily the religion but the people claiming to be party to the religion. If an extremist says they're of X religion, and that X religion says "blah blah blah" then most people who don't know a lot about that religion are going to lump said extremist in with all the rest...and that's where we get our problems.
People screw up religion. That's just the basic fact of life. | |
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| What is women’s position in your religion?
Posted: 3/29/2007 1:20:15 PM | Amongst the Anglo-Nordic folk women have long been held in great esteem. As far back as the writings of the Roman historian Tacitus we read that our ancestors consdiered there to be a sacred quality to women, and that our males ancestors scorned neither them or their counsels.
Amongst the all of the Anglo-Nordic peoples, women had the right to own, inherit and distribute property, and the right to marry, divorce, and enjoy lovers. Despite having no general formal right to speak at assembly, they enjoyed MUCH informal power and often not only spoke at assembly, but also swayed the assembly to their own opinion. They were once looked to to say when and when not to go to war. There are instances of them leading in war, with brilliant successful, they served a diplomatic role, both between families and between tribes from which they were gained the name "frithweavers" (frith = peace, teamwork, abundance), and there are also examples of women leading entire tribes in their own right... with great success once again.
A study on Anglo-Saxon noblewomen concluded, based on their knowledge and duties, that they had the equivalent of a modern Bachelors Degree. And of course, maintaining a household in the elder era was much more of a task than it is today, involving the preparation of food from slaughtered to table, to weaving of clothing and other textiles, to say nothing of the cleaning, and was respected as an "honest job".
Mythologically, based on the Icelandic Eddas, man and woman were created simultaneously, out of the same substance and bequeethed with he same gifts at the same time.
From the writings of Tacitus we learn that one of the divine progenitors of our folk was named Mannus, which is an elder spelling of the Modern English word Man. Amongst the elders, this term was indicative, not of gender, but of genus, with gender being denoted by such prefixes as "wera" (male) and "wifa" (female) or "sword" (male) and "spindle" (female). Interestingly, one of the divine offspring of this god is named Ing, who is the same as the Norse Yngvi-Frey. He is known in the Eddas to have a twin-sister named Freyja, who is portrayed as wielding no small amount of power within the pantheon. The names Frey (Anglo-Saxon Frea) and Freyja (Anglo-Saxon - Freo) basically mean "high-priest" and "high-priestess" respectively, and spring from the same root word as *free* and *friend*. They are also familiar titles given to the heads of any household, as the terms are still used amongst the Deutsche. | |
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| What is women’s position in your religion?
Posted: 3/30/2007 12:18:56 AM | Woman. Man. Both are equal, and both areequally irrelevant in my faith-system. Gender is a physical trait, sexual identity is mental, and both can be either controlled or exploited.
It doesn't matter what you are born as, so long as you stay true to your nature and attempt to better yourself in some way. Women who sit around and complain that they aren't treated fairly are as culpable as those who flaunt their bodies in exchange for career perks, and both are as guilty as men who complain about nice guys finishing last or jerks who beat their wives.
So, to answer the OP question as simply as possible: Yes, men and women are equal. Both mean nothing, and nothing always equals itself. | |
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| What is women’s position in your religion?
Posted: 8/9/2007 2:00:13 AM | "Unlike some religions, Wicca doesn't view Deity as distant.The Goddess and God are both within ourselves and manifest in nature.This is the universality;there is nothing that isn't of the gods...In the past ..the Goddess and God were as real as the sun and moon.
"The Goddess is the universal mother.She is the source of fertility, endless wisdom and loving caresses.The God ...is neither the stern, all-powerful deity of Christianity and Judaism, nor is He simply the consort of the Goddess.God or Goddess, they are equal, one."Wicca a Guide to the Solitary Practitioner-Scott Cunningham(RIP)
The Goddess is symbolized by the moon, the God, the sun... | |
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| What is women’s position in your religion?
Posted: 8/11/2007 8:36:59 PM | Cool quite a few pagans have posted, no need for me to post then lol. Other then to say merry meet and blessed be fellow wiccans and pagans :D | |
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| What is women’s position in your religion?
Posted: 8/12/2007 2:10:39 AM | Forgive me, sometimes I can't help myself. But you said:
If you are going to make a point regarding any particular religion – then please back it up with true verse or quotations from their religious doctrines. I don’t want to hear your false ideas or false impression regarding a particular religion.
Then you said:
Okay—let me mention my position on this…
When God said – “all men/women are made equal”--- he meant it literally.
I wish you would have backed this up with scriptures or verses of some religion. I never saw this in the Bible. I would ask any readers, to take the time to go through the entire post. You might take offense at the beginning, but the end of the post should bring things around for you.
There are two aspects to life. There is the physical and the spiritual. God did not make woman equal physically. However, she is equal spiritually, and has the opportunity to be over men in the future.
For example, in Genesis when God created the woman, He explains:
Gen 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Thus, God created the woman to be a help that was "fitting" for the man. She was not equal in that sense. She was to be a helper for the man.
Then it was the woman who sinned and God then said:
Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
So, after the sin, the woman was to submit to the mans rule. This was never meant that men were to abuse women or misuse them. It was only for doctrine's sake. Men were to be head of the family to prevent the family from going astray spiritually as took place with Eve.
Thus there were different roles. The woman was in a secondary role physically. This had nothing to do with their value as a person or their relationship to God. It was only in reference to their husbands. In like manner the children were is a secondary role to the woman in the family.
Every organization needs a leader. There are presidents and then a vice president who assists the president. This is not wrong. It is not abusive, and not ungodly.
In the Christian community this relationship continued between husband and wife.
There are two separate roles. The woman is to submit to her husbands authority, and the husband is not to abuse that authority, but instead his responsibility is to lay down his life, or in modern language, to make sacrifices for his wife's sake.
Eph 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
When it comes to their spiritual relationship with God, there is no difference. The woman is not subordinate to the man
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
That said, consider that in the kingdom after the resurrection there will be no male or female. Mar 12:24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? Mar 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
So, it will then be an entirely new ball game. And, the kingdom is a hierarchy. There is the father then Christ, then there will be various heroes of faith who are in leadership roles. They will be over nations and cities. Further, their position will be based on what they did within the role God gave us in this life. Therefore, some women will be over some men in the kingdom. Albeit they won't be men or women, any more, but the point is that some wives may well be over their husbands in authority in the kingdom.
The issue is what do we do with what we have? It is not if we are male or female. If any man thinks he is superior to a woman, then let him show his superiority by the sacrifices he makes for his woman. Let him demonstrate his love by his service toward her.
If any woman thinks she is superior to the man, then let her show that superiority by only doing only what is in her mans best interests. Help him accomplish his hopes and dreams.
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