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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany *
Posted: 7/16/2006 11:03:14 AM | Since 9/11 I have seen some signs that Fascist and the like may be trying to take over the USA. I never worried about it before because it seemed the systems of checks and balances in this country worked.
One sign is that when ever someone challenges the right I have heard proganda calling them names and coming up with what ever they can think of to discredit the person. The logic fallacy that if you can't attack the persons logic you attack the person. An example of this is during Bushes campaign supporters of Bush committed libel by coming up with lies that a war hero Kerry was a coward while their candidate joined the National guard to stay out of the war. It just seems to me I hear the far right coming up with many more true and false accusations and I here the left not resorting to this and trying to make logical points. Is that not what fascist do, discredit their opposition repetition with a mix of truths and lies them.
Another point is the patriot act. From what I have heard the executive branch can put anyone in jail they accuse of terrorism, even USA citizens, without due process of law and keep them there without a trial indefinitely. Is that not what fascist do. Is that not against a fundamental American principal that people are innocent till proven guilty. Now we have a president who is trying to justify listening in on anyone’s private conversation just because he wants to. Isn't that what we forced Nixon out of office over?
I have heard one false alarm after another about possible terrorist attacks since 9-11. It seems that the Government wants to keep us scared so that they can excuse oppressive policies. Over the years I have seen the Government taking more and more freedoms and rights from individuals and giving more rights and powers to Authorities and institutions. It seems to me if it continues we will have no rights and the authorities will have the power to do what ever they want. It seems to me that the authorities that want to control and regulate every aspect of our lives are using 9-11 as a platform to promote their policies. That they have created a war they know they can never win so they can justify policies that give them more power and control as a result of being in war time. Why did they not declare war on the organization that attacked us on 9-11 and instead declared war on a vague concept that they could use on anyone? For instance I know of an organization called Rainbow Tribe. Really it is just a bunch of hippies who want to have the right to have a tribal culture in this country that believes in love, no bosses and freedom. But the Government has labeled them terrorist years ago.
I remember reading in OMNI about what an expert said about terrorism. He said it would be the war of this century. That there will always be terrorist because there will always be factions that oppose the status quo and realize that they can use modern technology to kill people and get their caused heard. Instead of it being a war is it not just the Government responsibility to protect its people from cold blooded killer of any form. People there has been one major terrorist threat in this country after another since World War Two. Thank God for our Men in the CIA, FBI, Military and such that have prevented what they have.
For instance I heard of a plot to poison the water supply in major cities in the early eighties. Apparently there was some plot to take over installations or such while the cities rioted. At first I thought it may just be rumor until I read about an article in the back of the paper about how they found a basement full of drums of cyanide, enough to poison several major cities. For me the surprise was not 9-11 but that something like it didn't happen sooner. But since World War Two the powers to be have managed to protect us without compromising our freedom, rights or privacy. Also here we are claiming to be the freest nation in the world yet a quarter of the world prison population is in this country. Then there comes Bush with statements like my job would be easier if I was a dictator and I decide what is right and what is right is ....... I did think he may be a good man with all the proganda about him being a good Christian man. I knew he was a liar because he lied about the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq but thought he may have meant well.
Then came the hurricane in New Orleans. Since then I have heard them taking the focus away from the on the Leaders on top and scape goating middle management. But face it Bush had to know that all he had to do is make a call to his Air force Generals and say we need food and water airdropped into New Orleans, make it happen and hundreds if not thousands of people would not have died. I have lived there before and use to watch boat go up and down the Mississippi all day. You can't convince me that if they tried the couldn't of got those people out of a city that was on the biggest river way of the country. It proved to me that Bush is a cold blooded murder as surely as someone coming up to a well and seeing a mother and her baby on the bottom and just leaving them there to die.
I went down to New Orleans and talked to locals about what happened. A police officer said they are playing the numbers game. That he was at the super dome and saw the dead in the hundreds. Yet officially they claimed only a few people died. I also heard about bodies being dumped in the river and find it believable because I have heard nothing about the mass craves that would be required for the amount of dead down there. I also heard nothing about when the National Guard came down there after five days and they started gunning people down in the hundreds or more. Why were they not there from day one to keep the peace? Also why did I not hear about this in the press? It makes me wonder how much control the powers to be have over the press. It seems to me that they waited five days and did nothing so that the "wrong element" would be out of control and then right before people started dropping like flies they brought the National Guard to gun down the drug addicts and such that were freaking out.
Once again this does not sound like the America I love. It sounds more like what I hear about in Fascist countries. I really don’t know what they were and are up to in New Orleans. I just know they let those people die when they knew of ways to save them. I do not mean to sound like an alarmist. I know there factions of people in this country that are fighting for individual rights and American principles. But when I hear about some in Illinois wanting to pass law to discourage police officers from committing perjury, which is breaking one of the ten commandments, bearing false witness and the Governor making it sound like that means we are not supporting our law enforcers it makes me wonder. Doesn’t Fascist Governments want to let their Police Officers do what ever they want and lie to prosecute people.
Personally I think there is no doubt we need reform to protect the innocent from oppression from failing court systems that prosecute innocent people and perhaps not on paper but in effect punishing people before they are even found guilty. I am not naive. There are people in a country this size that think like the Nazis. They are trying to gain power and are smart enough not to let the general public know what they are up to. I really don't know enough of what is going on the political scene to know who is really doing what apposed to what we hear about. But I do see some warning signs that trouble me. I see a president who presents himself a good moral man looking out for the law abiding citizens of this country while I hear him lying, wanting unchecked powers and letting people die. I know Hitler presented himself as a good Christian man looking out for the good law abiding Citizens of the country. To be honest I think the patriot act is the biggest threat to national security today. Now a president could conceivably come up with an excuse to declare martial law around the country.
Say a terrorist blows up a nuclear bomb in a city. Next he could use the patriot act to put in jail anyone who apposes him just by coming up with lies about the people. I he did this, what would there be to stop him from declaring himself ruler. I think that the only thing that may be preventing Bush from doing this is he would not get the backing of the military. There are a lot of men of great honor and character in our arm forces that take their oath to protect the constitution very seriously. God bless them.
Well I am hoping to hear peoples input about this concern I have had. I am much more into spirituality than politics so I realize I may be off base. I do know I do not feel I live in a free country any more. As Benjamin Franklin put it, Those who would trade freedoms for security deserve neither and will lose both. | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 7/16/2006 11:20:37 AM | | Canada is the only "home of the free". We are not having our rights taken away although the U.S. is working hard to change that. We have way more cultural diversity and have a better tolerance of different races coming to Canada. We are all immigrants except the Indians. While the U.S. declared war on Iraq, people in the U.S. were ranting about killing anything with a turbin, knowing nothing about the Iraqi culture. Just the terminology "We should just nuke Iraq is no better and even worse than Hitlers views. Hitler gave fair warning to his people, but did not invade other countries just to kill jews. Maybe the U.S. should use it's awesome military power of mass destruction to clean up the gang problems in the big cities. Oh wait that would just bring on another racsist war...go figure...retarded bush! | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 7/16/2006 11:30:13 AM | I doubt that the USA is in that much danger ... I've been to Germany (lived there for 10 years) ... seen the prison camps, the pictures, the results of the medical experiments done on innocent people ... the gas chambers ... actually spoke with folks who lived through it ... escaped with their lives just barely intact.
I did think he (Bush) may be a good man with all the proganda about him being a good Christian man. "Christian"? ... hardly. He does put on a good front ... had and still has a lot of folks convinced. In Bush's case ... he actually does practice what he preaches, though ... greed ... ruthlessness ... the list could go on and on.
But since World War Two the powers to be have managed to protect us without compromising our freedom, rights or privacy. Yea ... isn't that amazing ... without the "Bush" people it appears we do stand a chance of accomplishing that. We just have to work hard to recuperate, pick up the pieces, and rebuild something that is more friendly to all who live here ... not just a few power hungry.
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 7/16/2006 11:38:05 AM |
. An example of this is during Bushes campaign supporters of Bush committed libel by coming up with lies that a war hero Kerry was a coward while their candidate joined the National guard to stay out of the war.
Fine kettle of fish. Kerry placed his war record in the campaign and made it subject to examination. The DNC tried to drag Bush's record in. I think there is a big logical fallacy that you fail to see.
Is that not what fascist do, discredit their opposition repetition with a mix of truths and lies them.
Yeah, the fascists might even come up with fake memos to discredit their opponent.
Another point is the patriot act. From what I have heard the executive branch can put anyone in jail they accuse of terrorism, even USA citizens, without due process of law and keep them there without a trial indefinitely. Is that not what fascist do.
No, the fascists would have already placed many non-terrorists and dissenters like yourself in jail. They wouldn't have allowed you to post your message, and might have tried to silence veterans who would have conflicting testimony about war heroes.
There are people in a country this size that think like the Nazis. They are trying to gain power and are smart enough not to let the general public know what they are up to.
I think your analysis of the DNC is correct. | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 7/16/2006 2:38:41 PM | "No, the fascists would have already placed many non-terrorists and dissenters like yourself in jail. They wouldn't have allowed you to post your message, and might have tried to silence veterans who would have conflicting testimony about war heroes."
First of all I am not a dissenter of American Government or the Christian religion. I understand the principle that this country was founded on, support them, including it was meant to evolve since its beginning. I am a dissenter of people who want to suppress free expression and positive change within our culture. The lets keep everything like it is and the heck with the injustices etc, sort of people. Those are the same sort of people that would have been loyalist to England during the American Revolution. Second of all I did not say we are as bad as the Nazis. I said are we in danger of becoming as bad as the Nazis. Yes I know they are not putting people like me in jail yet, free thinkers who question how best to do things. But we have given them the power too and does that not put us in danger of them abusing their power. As far as Kerrie’s war record numerous credible people in the military as well as war veterans and Generals confirmed that Kerry was indeed a war hero. The problem was that when Kerry went out of Vietnam he spoke up against some of the actions of his fellow soldiers. Some soldiers took this personally and spread false rumors about him. Propagandist took advantage of this and spread theses false rumors when he ran for office. Also you said the Fascist would have already put non-terrorist in jail. The fact is they have. There are reports of innocent people put in jail and kept there. The pentagon has admitted that some of the people they have in jail as terrorist they no longer have any reason to believe they are terrorist but no one will sign the order to release them. One of the principles this country was founded on is that bad people will get into power and abuse their power. So no one man or branch of Government should have too much power. I will admit my ignorance that I don't know what the DNC is. I suspect though that they are not any thing like the Nazi party and you are just being a propagandist doing the childish name calling and false accusations that many ignorant people do to keep people from having an intelligent debate about conflicting views. Honestly I have not heard of any credible institutions in this country that can compare with the Nazis. My concern is that the people who want everything controlled and regulated and have no respect for life and liberty will infiltrate the institutions and take over. I do know that various radicals have been trying to but thank God for the educated, wise and caring people who have prevent them from doing so. I use to run in circles that knew about such things but it has been 15 years or so. I just have seen signs that perhaps some of these radicals are taking steps to take over and wondered if there is truth to this. I do know that there is a faction of radicals that want to turn this country into a Christian Theocracy and that Bush runs in those circles. I am all for Christian principals and good Christian men getting in power. The problem is a Theocracy have been proven in the past to be oppressive and run by evil men. Sure sometimes like with the Jews good men like King David gets in power but like the Jews latter on during Christ time evil men sooner or latter take over and kill innocent people Etc. Another sign about Fascist being in positions of power is the torture going on in our military institutions. But really there are those who are much more qualified than me to discuss this issue. I would love to hear some intelligent discussion from you people on both sides of this question and not the name calling and false accusations that distract from truth. | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 7/16/2006 2:41:16 PM |
Kerry placed his war record in the campaign and made it subject to examination. The DNC tried to drag Bush's record in. I think there is a big logical fallacy that you fail to see.
The Republicans made outright lies and exagerrations about Kerry's military record (even made fun of being rewarded a Purple Heart for valor in combat. Bush's military record stands by itself as a joke and no lies had to be made to make it any worse than it already was.
No, the fascists would have already placed many non-terrorists and dissenters like yourself in jail. They wouldn't have allowed you to post your message, and might have tried to silence veterans who would have conflicting testimony about war heroes.
The point is that the Republicans are close to fascism. Their logic is that liberals "hurt" our troops and they claim that dissent is treason. Now imagine if this was made into law. Dissenters would go to prison camps for treason and hurting our troops. The people would see nothing of this and they might even justify it for "security reasons". Time and time again, the rightwing has claimed that liberals and Democrats aid/defend al-Qaeda because they supposedly do nothing. Bush himself said: "You are either with us or with the terrorists." What choice does he leave for dissenters?
Same goes to Murtha, a war veteran, who is publically called a "coward" for speaking against the war. The point is that people will begin to view him as irrelevant and might even want him dead or behind bars. When this is set in in people's minds, the government will have little opposition in imprisoning him and others. This is how fascism works.
My opinion is that the rise of fascism isn't just the government's fault but the people's fault for letting it happen because they were letting the government have emergency powers to kill the terrorists (even if they don't exist).
Another trait of fascism is to blame the powerless opposition as the cause of all problems. Republicans blame Democrats for this war, etc. Nazis blamed Communists and Jews for all of Germany's problems even as they were sending them to the death camps. | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 7/16/2006 2:47:04 PM |
I would love to hear some intelligent discussion from you people on both sides of this question and not the name calling and false accusations that distract from truth.
I would like to see that myself, but I don't think that people should start such a conversation by focusing on the Republicans as the Bad Guys and indicating that the nation is becoming fascist because of them. The DNC is the Democratic National Commitee, sir. | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 7/16/2006 2:48:17 PM | As bad as Nazi Germany?
Highly unlikely but, similar to Spain under Franco or Italy under Mussolini? There is a much greater chance of that. The US is definitely heading in the direction of fascism at the current moment in time.
To illustrate:
Robert O. Paxton:
"Fascism may be defined as a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victim-hood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion." (Anatomy of Fascism, p 218)
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Fascism is associated by many scholars with one or more of the following characteristics: a very high degree of nationalism, economic corporatism, a powerful, dictatorial leader who portrays the nation, state or collective as superior to the individuals or groups composing it.
Now, before we get the usual "the US is a democracy", "we have a President not a dictator", consider this:
The definition does not say "dictator" (in the sense of official title) but "dictatorial" (in the sense of official power).
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an illiberal democracy could be any democracy that is not a liberal democracy. However, the term is almost always used to denote a particularly authoritarian kind of representative democracy, in which the leaders and lawmakers are elected by the people, but tend to be corrupt and often do not respect the law. This has the effect of cutting off the people from real power.
A dictatorial regime does not have to be derived from force. A dictatorial regime may, in fact, be elected, may, in fact, be governed in their actions by certain laws and restrictions.
The key element of this is that the true power to govern the actions of the dictatorial regime lies not with the governed (the electors) but to some degree with those who govern (the elected) and largely with the "behind the scenes" players who determine those suitable for election.
This is the basis of the "One Party State" where the leader is, technically, a President but governs in an authoritarian, dictatorial manner and is in reality "selected" rather than "elected".
The US has taken many of the steps along this path and is beginning to manifest many of the elements of the modern fascist, one party state. | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 7/16/2006 2:54:26 PM |
The Republicans made outright lies and exagerrations about Kerry's military record (even made fun of being rewarded a Purple Heart for valor in combat. Bush's military record stands by itself as a joke and no lies had to be made to make it any worse than it already was.
I think there is a big logical fallacy that you fail to see. Are you saying it was correct for the Democrats to attempt to silence the free speech of the 250 or so "Swift Boat Veterans" because 2 or 3 other veterans supported Kerry? Do you mean we can shut up the press because we think they are wrong? | |
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Posted: 7/16/2006 3:10:36 PM | | Actually, it crossed over into libel. None of the Republican tools that claimed to be Swiftboat Veterans were ever in a position to see any of the things they claimed to see. This was an orchestrated plot to libel an honourable man and his record, knowing that legal redress would come far too late to affect the election. Kerry is suing the liars responsible, but it still hasn't seen the inside of a courtroom. | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 7/16/2006 3:13:22 PM | My opinion is that the rise of fascism isn't just the government's fault but the people's fault for letting it happen because they were letting the government have emergency powers to kill the terrorists (even if they don't exist). And this was accomplished because they were constantly setting up "color" alerts ... that consequently scared people to death ... putting many in a state of panic ... who did not understand the "color" alerts ... weren't adept to doing the research available to confirm if there even was a threat.
Being the "good" citizens they wanted to be, they put faith in the leader that had been elected and followed blindly. They just couldn't believe they were being set-up to go to the polls and empower a man who has so many plans (working overtime) to strip us of most or all of our civil rights.
With our civil rights as good as gone ... those of us who encourage folks to step outside the box and challenge what is going on ... will be labeled as "dessenters" and eventually hauled off to prison to rot. You're absolutely right ... this is truly how fascism works.
While it does seem to fail after a while, the immediate result is quite effective in shutting up any opposition until so much damage has been done that it's almost impossible to recover. | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becoming as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 7/16/2006 4:26:39 PM | You don't win war's by weapons and killings, you win it by hijacking a country.
America is no longer truly democratic, it has been hijacked by lobbyists that installed
puppet leaders. We've already seen how things are unfolding with wire taps, and
outing of "rogue" agents. You cross this regime you lose everything except the Nazi's
just put a bullet in your head.
Ann Coulter is wanting executions of certain media outlets like the NY Times....she wants
them all lined up and gunned down (her words). And like in Nazi Germany, people
applauded and supported her. This is how Germany behaved....take over the news
media and control the information and goose-step forward from there. | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 7/16/2006 4:48:14 PM |
Jeebus how many more of these america is the next nazi regime posts are u libbys gonna post
Just once, I would love to see you come into one thread on the politcal forum and post something of substance instead of coming in and calling everyone 'libbys' and ducking back out. | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becoming as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 7/16/2006 4:55:52 PM | Im sorry to say this but some of you people are idiots? Nazi Germany?
Give me a break! Its people like you who threaten the world!~ You can take any Government and spin it anyway you want!
America is more like the Roman Empire if any comparisons are to be made. Do the research I would help you but its nether here nor there!
Next, Canada, give me a freakin break! You guys bask in our shadow, we make North America safe for you, yet you criticize America to know end, your so called diversity is a product of being neighbors with America, you dont have to lift a Finger to do anything!
"Your Welcome."
Bush may not be everyones choice for president but I salute the decisions hes made, at least hes made some.
Europeons would rather turn a blind eye to whats going on around them and think it'll go away, ie the Holocaust and not so long ago Bosnia, do you really think anyone would have stepped in to stop genocide, no, not even the great country of Canada.
Maybe something needs to be done with the media, maybe to save the people from posts like this we need censorship? Give people an inch and they'll take a mile.. Why not bug people, if they are doing no wrong, then so be it?
We are animals nothing more nothing less, freedom is a state of mind not a state of being! And like all animals we are a danger to ourselves and our neighbors, you think we are enlightened? Lol you poor fools, | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 7/16/2006 4:56:08 PM |
None of the Republican tools that claimed to be Swiftboat Veterans were ever in a position to see any of the things they claimed to see.
I suppose Kerry was never in a position to see Genghis Khan or what Cambodia looks like at Christmas time, but his history tries to describe these things. I don't know how you attempt to evaluate a man's character, but I think that someone who will fabricate one story, will fabricate another. I understand the difference between an outright lie, and an error in intelligence, political diplomacy, and cherry-picking. I understand the difference of the results, so don't lecture me on the number of dead, unless maybe you would like to mention the number of dead in Vietnam after political pressure from Winter Soldiers forced our exit, and allowed the communists to execute the dissenters. Surely, those numbers would mean something too if you want to rhyme lies with dies. The inside of a courtroom is where those allegations should be. The Judge's instructions will probably state that if a person has been shown to be a liar, his entire testimony may be disregarded. I wish Senator Christmas the best in his efforts. | |
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vivid
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Joined: 6/30/2006
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| Is the USA in danger of becoming as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 7/16/2006 5:01:40 PM |
Next, Canada, give me a freakin break! You guys bask in our shadow, we make North America safe for you, yet you criticize America to know end, your so called diversity is a product of being neighbors with America, you dont have to lift a Finger to do anything!
If it weren't for us setting an example for what real democracy and socialism is,
America would have become a communist country long ago.
YOU are welcome. | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becoming as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 7/16/2006 5:25:37 PM | Well, what else can we say?
We're invading other nations half a world away which are not threats, we've exterminated millions of people in southeast asia afew years ago, we're occupying more than half the nations on earth with our military and running torture camps.
Sure sounds like that to me. | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 7/16/2006 6:12:11 PM |
I think there is a big logical fallacy that you fail to see. Are you saying it was correct for the Democrats to attempt to silence the free speech of the 250 or so "Swift Boat Veterans" because 2 or 3 other veterans supported Kerry? Do you mean we can shut up the press because we think they are wrong?
Swift Boat Veterans wasn't press. It was propoganda. They basically spread their OPINIONS through TV commercials. It was their opinions basically. In no way were they ever silenced. And the news is suppose to be objective NOT opinions. In no way did I ever claim Democrats were okay to attempt to do anything to Republicans. Like I stated, Bush's military record alone was a joke compared to Kerry's and Democrats didn't need to do much but to just repeat the truth about it. Republicans went low to try to dishonor a war veteran. | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 7/16/2006 6:21:23 PM |
Republicans went low to try to dishonor a war veteran.
I thought then, and I think now; that Democrats went low to dishonor 250 war veterans. I don't know, but the magnitude change in the numbers appears to mean something. I know their are lots of liars in America. Is it so rampant that 250 distinguished war veterans are all liars? | |
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Joined: 6/16/2006
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| Is the USA in danger of becoming as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 7/16/2006 6:24:41 PM | Wikipedia defines fascism as "a radical totalitarian political philosophy that combines elements of corporatism, authoritarianism, extreme nationalism, militarism, anti-anarchism, anti-communism and anti-liberalism."
My dictionary defines it as "a totalitarian governmental system led by a dictator and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism."
http://www.omnicenter.org/warpeacecollection/facism.htm#14fascism has a list of 14 characteristics of fascist regimes.
I don't know if the U.S. is in danger of becoming as bad as Nazi Germany, but there is some serious flavor of fascism about.
And don't think your post isn't being scrutinized by a computer program somewhere.
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obliq
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 7/16/2006 6:39:12 PM | {amishpornstar} *sniff* Fee-fi-fo-fum, I smell the blood of a fascist one.
I take back what I said. What was I thinking? The U. S. is in no danger of becoming a fascist state.
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| Is the USA in danger of becomeing as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 7/16/2006 7:24:26 PM |
Hey violetskye dont worry about what i do !!! Its well known POF is a soapbox for liberals...im not gonna get in a net fight with the dozens of nutjobs who wont accept facts, reality and so forth. when u see 8 leftists attack one person over something as stupid as calling america the next nazi regime how can you argue a point with mental ppl who have i hate america syndrome on the brain ..its like argueing with schizo's that the voices in their heads are not there
Once again, not a single fact, not a single cogent point.......ahh, but LOTS of name-calling. Hmph....who woulda thunk it?
Gotta love the trolling......speaking of which, welcome to the party amishpornstar. Gosh, for just having signed up yesterday, you sure seem to know an awful lot about these forums and their posters...... | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becoming as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 7/16/2006 7:54:45 PM | | I agree that there is a faction of Muslims that needs to be dealt with. They are fascist themselves and are a threat to world security. We go after Afghanistan. Good. They were harboring al-Qaeda. But there we have a large force of al-Qaeda cornered in a mountain range with their leader there and we let most of them walk out. If Bush was so interested in stopping them why didn't he do the logical thing and use ever resource at our disposal to eliminate the enemy instead of let most of them walk out and spread out around the world. Then he goes after Iraq that had little to do with this enemy of ours with a claim of weapons of mass destruction that were not there. I have heard of reports that in Iraq the army knowing where Fascist Muslims were for months in Iraq and the military not doing anything. It looks like Bush is milking this war for everything he can and is not trying to win it. I am not questioning whether the USA has done great things in its past. It has. The world owes us a lot. But we have done some horrible things also. Just look at what we did to the American Indian. If any country did that today we would be screaming genocide. I am questioning whether some leaders in power now are not using this war on terrorism as an agenda to take away our freedoms, control and regulate every aspect of our life and invade our privacy. There are those who want this. I know big brother is watching out for me, yeah right. But this fanaticism that USA is infallible and Leaders in it can do no wrong and those who point out how they disagree with some American policy are committing sacrilege really is quiet well, Un-American. Man think. You suggested censorship and if you give people an inch they take a mile. Who decides what to censor, you. What type of censorship do you suggest. Those that don't support the policies you support. That my man is an aspect of a fascist government as well as other oppressive Governments. Once my Government starts to tell me what I can and can not say and print is the day my Government takes me to jail. I am an American and proud of it. I question whether the war in Iraq has done nothing but stick our hands in a Hornets nest and given the Muslims that are Fascist the perfect propaganda tool to recruit other Muslims to their cause. But I don't know details any more than you and I do know we have brilliant people in this country that are fighting against evil people in this world and within our country. Call me naïve but I like to think good will prevail in the end. That does not mean we don't lose battles though. I also know we have evil people in our own country as well that have infiltrated our Government, law enforcement agencies and military that are plotting to take control and eliminate our system of check and balances. I just don't know who is what or doing what. Sometimes it does come to light like Bush who is a cold blooded killer that let people die in New Orleans and Carter that was an honest man. People get over it. Democrats have some good points and bad points. So do the Republicans Both have good people in them and have bad people in them. . How about doing your own thinking instead of hiding behind groups. Personally I would like to see some third parties get in office so we have more checks and balances. I will also say that we need to find some way to make peace with the Muslim people. What do you suggest. We kill them all like Hitler wanted to kill all the Jews. You can be assured that if we do not find peace with Islam World War Three is on its way. A wise man knows when to fight and when not. | |
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| Is the USA in danger of becoming as bad as Nazi Germany
Posted: 7/16/2006 8:02:48 PM | | Oh yes just one more thing. I am not questioning whether this country has done great things in its past. I am question if we are under a threat to become a fascist state today. I am not saying we are there. I am asking if the Fascist in this country are finding ways to take control and take power. They are here people. Trying to ignore that they are here is just what they want. I remember a friend telling me back when Communism was a big threat that McCarthyism did more harm than good because now when ever someone tries to expose a communist that had infiltrated our Government they just scream McCarthyism and no one could get them out. | |
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