| HIV = AIDS: FACT or FICTION?
Posted: 8/4/2006 3:27:25 PM | I saw a very interesting documentary recently titled 'HIV = AIDS fact or fiction.
I highly recomend that anyone of interest in this watch it. It aims to debunk the myth that HIV causes aids.
It aims to show that behavior causes aids. That aids and even HIV can not be transmitted sexually between a man and a woman normally.
Listing on the top of reasons why people develop aids in the west is 'drug use', and that all the free clean needles in the world won't protect you from getting aids.
I believe that the HIV causes AIDS hypothesis is a fraud, personally.
Anyone can watch the 2hr documentary by googling the title. Also, check Chritine Maggiore's site 'alive and well' for further info.
This is important because our hypothesis might be spreading more aids by killing us with deadly drugs like AZT and so on. | |
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rks58
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| HIV = AIDS: FACT or FICTION?
Posted: 8/4/2006 6:19:52 PM | After watching the video, I am far from convinced.
The biggest problem I found with it was that the authors and experts they included engaged in all of the same logical and scientific fallacies that they accuse the HIV/AIDS researchers of engaging in and then compound the problems by using "ad hominem", "appealing to the consequent", "argumentum ad ignorantiam", "begging the question" and "Reductio ad absurdum" arguments.
Of the experts, the one I found most unconvincing was Duesberg. I was very disappointed to see a well known virologist engage in so many "no true scotsman" arguments to make his points.
The least convincing part though, was the attribution of AIDS to behaviour (and not all of the points they made about behaviour actually were behaviours. e.g. malnutrition is not a behaviour). The entire segment was based on "argumentum ad ignorantiam", "begging the question" and "Reductio ad absurdum" arguments.
The single biggest problem though is that the video completely ignores the fact that AIDS itself is not actually a disease, like chicken pox, and is not claimed to be so. AIDS is a condition, like SCID (Severe Combined Immunodeficiency Disease), that in and of itself is not fatal but leaves one exceptionally susceptible to multiple diseases, any one of which might not be fatal to a healthy person, that eventually result in death because of the bodies inability to defeat them.
I also thought the inclusion of cut scenes from NAZI Germany were more than just a little over the top and unnecessary (talk about an "appeal to fear" argument). | |
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| HIV = AIDS: FACT or FICTION?
Posted: 8/4/2006 7:29:29 PM | Duesberg, Strohman, Thomas and Mullis... Gallo and Fauci are lightweights compared with these guys...
Strohman was the first researcher to prove that librium and many other perscription drugs are addicting. Duesberg proved that viruses mutate.
Duesberg actually proved that Gallo FALSIFIED lab results that they had worked on together previously, in order to support his AIDS/HIV theory.
The film is great. These guys are right.
The science establishment hates them for saying what they're saying, because the collusion between scientists at Universities and the drug industry is making a lot of people rich... but it's also killing people. They're punishing Duesberg for his position, cutting back on his funding for any research he's doing; from private industry to the federal government. I know him personally and he's put everything on the line for over 20 years to stand up to this lie.
it's a fraud and a sham. People have died taking AZT.
IF AZT kills HIV and HIV causes AIDS, why are people still dying of AIDS when there are no traces of HIV in their blood?
Yet, we've paid billions to US drug companies for these drugs.
Why?... when there's no results? | |
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rks58
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| HIV = AIDS: FACT or FICTION?
Posted: 8/4/2006 8:34:58 PM |
Duesberg, Strohman, Thomas and Mullis... Gallo and Fauci are lightweights compared with these guys...
Strohman was the first researcher to prove that librium and many other perscription drugs are addicting. Duesberg proved that viruses mutate.
Duesberg actually proved that Gallo FALSIFIED lab results that they had worked on together previously, in order to support his AIDS/HIV theory.
I wasn't saying that Duesberg doesn't know his stuff (I did refer to him as well known. I did grad work in psychoimmunology so I have heard of him) just that his arguments as presented in that film a far from convincing. For the most part the statements of his presented were in the form "We haven't seen another retro-virus that acts like that so obviously that one can't" and "most other viruses act this way and it doesn't happen with AIDS so it can't be the case" only to, at one short point, aknowledge that there are exceptions to the rules but then state that this can't be one of them but offer no clear proof. Science is full of exceptions to the rule and microscopic life (OK, virii and retro-virii aren't technically life) are among the biggest violators.
I'm also not suggesting that HIV is necessarily the cause of AIDS (and if it isn't then taking drugs as powerful as retrovir, ritonavir, epivir which have hugely significant side effects is going to produce a whole world of other problems just as serious but I wouldn't take it so far as to say they cause AIDS) because it hasn't been categorically proven but the behavioural hypothesis is just so far off base in so many ways that it doesn't present a credible alternative. | |
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| HIV = AIDS: FACT or FICTION?
Posted: 9/8/2006 7:05:14 AM | I was wondering where my thread went to.
AIDS is a very "generalized" term.
AIDS had been around, then Gallo/America suddenly "specified" what AIDS was with the claim that HIV causes AIDS.
By that definition, shouldn't they change the name?
I'm still of the school that HIV is not proven to cause AIDS, that, most of what we are seeing today in regards to AIDS research is "backpeddling" of that claim, rather than proof.
Meaning, they made claims decades ago, that now, they seem able to prove as "true", and only after people made a fuss about their points. My belief is that they are skewing the facts to get desired results so that activists have something to argue over.
Any organization that pays poor people to demonstrate in the streets about something they can't possibly know anything about, do to lack of education and general understanding is absolutely wrong. And in my eyes, this issue could very well be seen as a modern form of genocide by these fake "Mother Theresa" fronts.
In short, we have asked the "Fox" to help "re-structure" and give "health care" to the hen house. | |
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| HIV = AIDS: FACT or FICTION?
Posted: 9/8/2006 11:16:54 AM | Without looking at this documentary , Im going to give a general spin on this topic.
The word HIV , is as stated by someone else, a very general term. It has been said that the HIV was a genetically engineered virus gone awry. Who knows? It doesnt matter how it got here , its here.
Upon infection this virus attacks the white blood cells T-lymphocytes and multiplies. This virus immediately begins making billions of copies of itself each day, which in turn forces the human immune system to produce the same number of antibodies as an attempted defense against it. Year after year, the body struggles to beat the virus until finally its overworked immune system simply wears out. At that point people are considered to have AIDS.
AIDS itself is a general term too. It simply means your body is in a state of very depressed immunity.
The posed question is does HIV Cause AIDS? Yes. The only differences between these two viruses is the stage of sickness. And the only difference between whether you develope AIDS from HIV will be one of 2 things. A cure is found. Or another opportunistic illness from HIV will cause death before the stage of AIDS occurs.
Basically what you are asking is can the HIV that is working for years on end, duplicating itself and destroying billions of healthy T cells daily , can put you into a depressed state of immunity, causing AIDS. Of course. Thats all AIDS is, a severely depressed state of immunity. So its pretty simple to figure out that yes, eventually, this is exactly what will happen, if opportunistic illnesses, from the HIV, havent caused death beforehand or a cure is found. There is no other ending possible at this time. Our bodies are simply not made to take that kind of destruction inevitably without death. It is biologically impossible to live without white blood cells, especially T lymphocytes.
Aside from finding a cure, what possible other ending for HIV could there possibly be besides eventual severely depressed state of immunity, AIDS?
The fact that HIV uses our RNA to replicate and is considered a retrovirus makes it extremely difficult to treat. | |
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| HIV = AIDS: FACT or FICTION?
Posted: 9/8/2006 4:41:26 PM | I've always belived the same as the above poster ^... like getting the sniffles before the cold, HIV is a predecessor to Aids. Some people with HIV might die due to a car accident and so never got full blown Aids... but with enough time, age, illnesses... it is inevitable.
I have heard of the 'pattern' of the sexual inclination where rips and tears will invite bacteria into your system ... ultimately defeating your immune system, aka HIV / Aids. So that it can be controllable moreso with limiting the type of sexual favors.
In a better world. | |
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| HIV = AIDS: FACT or FICTION?
Posted: 9/9/2006 11:34:04 AM | Perhaps you two should watch the video to understand why the other point of view exists at all.
I don't for a second think that HIV causes AIDS. It's just another Government lie. | |
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| HIV = AIDS: FACT or FICTION?
Posted: 9/11/2006 11:20:28 AM | well either way, i don't want to become infected with HIV nor AIDS. so regardless of the 'conspiracy theory' (which quite frankly is ridiculous in my opinion) i'm certainly not going to put my health/life at risk just because a handful of people think it's all a fraud. gimme a break.
and why would there be a government conspiracy about HIV and AIDS????
good grief.... | |
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| HIV = AIDS: FACT or FICTION?
Posted: 9/12/2006 9:05:44 PM | Well, when you see how much drug companies spend on politics you might begin to suspect something.
And nobody is recomending you sleep around because HIV doesn't cause AIDS, but what is recomended is you understand the facts and the controversy. Things like the drugs to fight aids, may actually cause aids etc...
I noticed that your profile is a woman of 36 and undecided about having children. You might be interested to find out that pregnent women test false positives for HIV at a higher percentage. This false test can adversly effect your life in a very bad way. | |
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| HIV = AIDS: FACT or FICTION?
Posted: 9/13/2006 2:53:48 AM | i have the inclination to believe that Aids is a MAN MADE virus and there is a cure...I also happen to know that there is an ingredient found in both toothpaste and something else that will cure it.
HIV is linked to aids but HIV is also linked to many other illnesses. | |
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| HIV = AIDS: FACT or FICTION?
Posted: 9/13/2006 2:58:54 AM | | there is hope and there is a cure, but there is also a government conspiracy behind it all. | |
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| HIV = AIDS: FACT or FICTION?
Posted: 9/13/2006 9:41:08 AM | Under the definition, one could say "everything is linked to aids".
You are right in that HIV is man made. But not in the way you think. It is man made in that we have been conditioned by the media to believe it will make us sicker than it actually does.
The only think HIV can give you is a cold. If that.
It is a passenger virus that has been round for centuries. It is passed natally which is why they are so keen to get expecting mothers tested.
It costs about $5 to make a bottle of what ever they give you, and they charge you about a $1000 mark up for it.
In fact, if you test positive for HIV, it's probably a good thing. It means your immune system is working properly. Because they don't actually test for HIV, but rather for your own anti-bodies that fought it off.
This whole HIV thing is a scam. And when you look at why so many people in Africa have HIV, it is more related to "funding" than it is to actual diagnosis. | |
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| HIV = AIDS: FACT or FICTION?
Posted: 9/13/2006 2:23:15 PM | Understand why the other point of view exists? Medical research is not a point of view. If that's what the video is about someone just fed you a big lie.
Another government lie? Yeah sure! | |
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| HIV = AIDS: FACT or FICTION?
Posted: 9/13/2006 6:38:23 PM | the government would never lie to us would they  ....................................Fact or Fiction ? After all this time. I would think that most people would realize. Its just another of many fear issues spewed fourth from the media for the consumption of the masses | |
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| HIV = AIDS: FACT or FICTION?
Posted: 9/13/2006 11:20:10 PM | bikerbabii:
Did you know that the theory of gravity is just that, a theory? It has actually never been proven and neither has the theory that HIV causes AIDS.
People should learn that the drugs they are taking, or may have to take because of the HIV test, may *actually* destroy their immune system.
In fact, give them AIDS.
We do not have to accept that HIV causes AIDS. And we can also look into the values of nutrition for curing immunity problems over synthetic drugs. Who are produced by Oil Companies.
Oh, you did know that didn't you? That the drug companies and the major oil companies are basically one and the same. That the pills are made from pretroleum by-products.
Years ago we used to call these people "hucksters", selling snake oil. In fact, great, great grand daddy Rockefeller used to do that very thing. He used to travel across America selling refined oil as a "cure all" for cancer etc... Guess who is the CEO of the three major drug companies in the U.S.? David Rockefeller. Also was many times chairmen of the CFR. | |
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vivid
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| HIV = AIDS: FACT or FICTION?
Posted: 9/16/2006 10:59:34 PM | ^^^ you're too funny. Maybe you should stop attending Internet University and
get a life. As I said, go inject yourself with HIV and then come back
and tell us how great you're doing.
It aims to debunk the myth that HIV causes aids
How do you debunk a MYTH? If it's considered a MYTH then you
don't need to debunk it....it's a myth. Get it?
The single biggest problem though is that the video completely ignores the fact that AIDS itself is not actually a disease...
Well, if they addressed AIDS properly, there would be no show and thus no profit. HIV
is, like you said, a compromise of the immune system....you could die
from a flu much like cancer patience undergoing chemotherapy. The fallacy
of their arguement is that it refuses to argue that immune systems are
compromised and are deliberately compromised as part of medical procedures....it's
a silly arguement.
So, HIV is a myth....and doesn't compromise the Immune system other wise known
as ACQUIRED Immune DEFICIENCY.....wtf? So, what is this virus that we are
staring at through the microscope then?
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| HIV = AIDS: FACT or FICTION?
Posted: 9/17/2006 9:13:52 AM | Vivid,
You never really addressed anything, and resorted simply to personal attacks by implying something about "internet university".
How about this, the guy, the actual guy, who discovered the HIV virus thinks it's benign.
I'm sure he went to university.
The majority of people who have HIV are doing just fine, so long as they aren't taking any chemo drugs.
The drug companies have lied to you, it's time to unplug from their matrix of lies. | |
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| HIV = AIDS: FACT or FICTION?
Posted: 9/21/2006 1:58:42 PM | Where do they go? ....they come in here with a point to make, then don't stick around to follow through.
For your eyes.....Google "Rife"..... that should open up your eyes. | |
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| HIV = AIDS: FACT or FICTION?
Posted: 12/4/2007 5:06:32 PM | I also saw an intersting docco last Friday.
"Rampart. How a city stopped a plague"
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/documentaries/stories/s2107620.htm
The title conjures up imagesof a middle aged walled city fighting off bubonic plague but it isn't.
Rampant is the story of AIDS in Australia, and how our response to the disease - so radically different to that in the USA and other countries with conservative governments - made us world leaders in controlling the virus, which had the potential to become a plague.
Drawing in a cast of characters from Federal Ministers to nuns to sex workers, Australia forged a radical path in its approach to the disease, tapping into the networks of junkies, prostitutes and practising gay men who were the most susceptible to infection.
Led by the Minister for Health under the Hawke government, Neal Blewett, Australia undertook several unprecedented and pragmatic steps: it introduced a needle exchange program for intravenous drug users, encouraged open discussion of safe sex, and created the famous Grim Reaper advertising campaign.
There was fierce opposition from the religious right, but 25 years after the initial AIDS outbreak, Australia's decision to accept human nature in policy making has saved thousands of lives - especially when compared to the USA where 'morality' has outweighed practicality in dealing with the illness.
Exclusive interviews with journalist and AIDS activist Ita Buttrose, former politicians Neal Blewett and Bill Bowtell, the Reverend Fred Nile, St. Vincent's Hospital doctors and the founding member of the Australian Prostitutes Collective bring 1980s Sydney at the height of AIDS hysteria to life.
Rampant is an epic drama encompassing death, plague, love, loss, grief - and survival. | |
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| HIV = AIDS: FACT or FICTION?
Posted: 4/1/2008 5:22:42 PM | I believe that the whole HIV prognosis is a lie.
Regardless of what Gallo did, the outcome results favourable to those who want to cull human population to less than a billion.
The U.N. has this as a mandate. They think that by bringing population back to a billion is the cure all for everything. Poverty, global warming, war, etc.. etc..
As a psychological tool the promotion that HIV can kill you will dramatically reduce sexual activety from everyone. It will keep men and women divided from eachother and reduce population dramatically.
Henry Kissenger wrote a report that basically encouraged "biological" warfare against third world countries. The promotion of birth control being a major component of this war on the third world.
HIV is fake, but the media surrounding it is not. It is the reverse placebo effect. They believe they will get ill so they do. All classifications of HIV related illnesses are now lumped in the "aids" catagory and are treated differently.
Not only that, but even the World Health Conferences were admitting the prescriptions were doing all the killing. Duesberg is right.
Once people wake up to the fact that there is a definite and driven force to reduce world population they will wake up to t he means and measures of current programs such as HIV/AIDS.
Look at the end result that the promotion of the HIV theory has done. It has forced birth control on everyone. Reduced sexual activety enormously, and has killed millions of people with a so called cure. HIV is a psycho-political warfare technique. | |
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| HIV = AIDS: FACT or FICTION?
Posted: 4/1/2008 7:22:52 PM |
HIV is a psycho-political warfare technique.
It is also white man holding the coloured man down. There are a tens of millions of Africans that are suffering in this war, they have all been poisoned by supposed 'food' from the UN, there is no HIV there really.
What a lot of people do not realise is that the whole AIDS thing is part of the Apollo moon landing conspiracy. Hear me out- to cover up the increasing media interest in wether they were faked (of course they were!), AIDS and HIV was invented. The public were distracted, they got away with the moon landings.
Look at what else the whole AIDS thing has caused- safer sex, discouraging homosexual activities, efforts to curb drug use... all part of the Zionist conspiracy. The moon landing part is what blew my mind though.
Is there a group I can join to help stop these lies? This zionist conspiracy? These terrible lies that make people use condoms and think about things a little more? | |
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| HIV = AIDS: FACT or FICTION?
Posted: 4/1/2008 7:30:08 PM |
It is also white man holding the coloured man down. There are a tens of millions of Africans that are suffering in this war, they have all been poisoned by supposed 'food' from the UN, there is no HIV there really.
You must have read Henry Kissenger's report to the white house. By 1975 it was operating instructions on how to deal with 3rd world countries and their growing populations and its threat to the US.
Ironically poisoning the food was one of them
Interestingly enough, all five major food outlets in the world are controlled by the House of Windsor aka Monarchies of england and Holland.
So it's not even just conceivable, it's entirely possible. | |
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| HIV = AIDS: FACT or FICTION?
Posted: 4/1/2008 9:47:25 PM | Not just the colored man either... Hows about all the undesirables of society... The poor, the mentally ill, Welfare mothers, prison inmates, drug addicts, homosexuals, hippies... Tell me a disease that preys only on undesirables...
And for Africa... did you know there is a disease from Corn Subsistance that africa is largely especially the poor... that is identical to AIDS... Its a niacin defeciency called Pellagra... (I lived in Africa for three years and by the way they are not dying in droves unless they are starving and poisoned also the AIDS images are no different than "Feed the Childrens")
As for Kissinger... please don't get me started... Google Video has an amazing video called "The Trials of Henry Kissinger" check it out... He tops Rumsfield on my list of those who hae commited horrible crimes against humanity with thier crap... whether its "The Special Virus Program" or "Aspartame"
And for more videos along these lines also google.video
AIDS Inc
Prescription for Disaster
The Drugging of Our Children
Big Bucks Big Pharma
Selling Sickness
Were you also aware that Pharmacuetical Companies can now oen rights to many diseases?
Did you know even Luc Montagnier (co-discoverer of HIV) has even said HIV alone is not responsible for AIDS... and that lifestyle is a main contributor... and largely blames "Oxidative Stress" He has recently written a new book on the topic... and I highly recommend you read an article I posted under the thread of HIV & Mandatory Sterilization (Manitoba Forum on POF) By Celia Farber Called "Out of Control AIDS and the Corruption of Medical Science" You will find it compelling to say the least...
I could go on forever... also check out these websites for more and how many people have been calling for re-appraisal
Alberta Re-Appraising AIDS Society
Alive & Well.org
Rethinking AIDS
Virus Myth Exposed
I have worked with numerous HIV+ People and have discovered that:
The Drugs Kill...
Healthy People stay Healthy...
Lifestyle is a HUGE factor...
Other Deadly Diseases are usually involved in AIDS cases...
and much much more...
Keep up the good work on making people think... after many of the posts on this forum I was really concerned that I was living in a world of people who believe all the propaganda they are fed... Particularly that run by the Pharmacuetical Industry amongst other perpectuators of Mass Genocide on the planet
Pharmacueticals=The Worlds Most Dangerous Biological Weapon of Mass Destruction | |
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| HIV = AIDS: FACT or FICTION?
Posted: 4/2/2008 3:42:34 PM | Regardless of whether there's any truth to the HIV/AIDS CONSPIRACY theory, ask yourself is it really worth the risk?
HIV is just another pathogen to add to the long list of herpes, hepatitis, gonorrhea, syphilis, and the many more diseases one can get from practicing unsafe sex.
Protect yourself and you don't have to worry. | |
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