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| | NDE's, Did past prophets/seers have one or more?Page 1 of 2 (1, 2) | Who else thinks that maybe the great prophets of the past and others who have provided glimpses into the future may have been influenced by an NDE?
Could some of the biblical prophets have had an NDE and from the subconscience mind came guidance, similar to what happened for Edgar Cayce the "sleeping prophet". he is reported to have had over 14,000 NDE's.
Having had an NDE and knowing first hand what such an experience can have on someones faith or belief system, I can just imagine what a person 3,000 years ago or more for that fact (NDE's are as old as man) would have to say to those around him and how it would have effected their life. Likely a person who was so strongly changed would have had to move away if they were saying, repent, be good.
Could certain races of man and or the spiritual leaders have had advanced methods to create an NDE to seek guidance or instruction from the unknown?
Thoughts? Opinions?
Greeks wrote about a soldier, Er (I believe was the name), who had an NDE and the effects were that his whole life changed.
I find it amazing that all NDE's cause people to change for the better or strengthen their deisre to live morally.
Personally, I think the entire population of the earth needs an NDE real bad.
Wow, would that be awesome!!
Before the global NDE 
After the global NDE 
Truthfully, that is what it would take.
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Posted: 8/9/2006 10:21:09 PM | Near Death Experiences? Pfft. Do you have any idea the kind of chemicals that get's pumped into your brain while your dying? It's like being high.
As for all people who have NDE's becomming better afterwards well.... most people who face mortality feel that way. Even without NDE. All they need to do is face their mortality. Could be in an accident where they almost died (but never went into a NDE) or they got shot but it barely missed a vital organ, ect...
And for everyone to have a NDE at the same time I think would kill everyone off. Why? Because noone would be left to resussitate. | |
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Posted: 8/9/2006 10:39:01 PM | Have you had one Dave? Likely not.
Those who suffer from apnea have them often.
Anyway, they have been happening since the begining of recorded time.
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence12.html This is the story or Er.
People often come back themsleves or well after the medics have tried, people have awoken in morgues.
If you read what Edgar Cayce had to say about his personal experience (not opinion or assumption based upon what someone else says) you may even learn something new.
Could that be all that bad?
One other thing, Near death indicates near death not death. if all people had a near death experience it means they did not die. It does not read, "everyone should die and then come back". Thought I'd point that out. | |
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Posted: 8/9/2006 10:50:33 PM | Funny you should mention "like being high"...
Perhaps you were being dismissive...and perhaps rightly so. I know how worthless anecdotal evidence is (*chorus* SO WHY ARE YOU BRINGING IT UP) and I duck the barrage of balled-up foolscap and pencils...
Altered states of consciousness are common to people who "scry" the future...whether it is a self induced trance, psychoactive plants, ritual dancing, meditation, prayer or some combination. It is very likely that the state in the mind caused by the NDE is very similar to one of these altered states of consciousness. There is one story I know of where a professional mycologist while under the influence of a rather large dose of psilocybin mushrooms had what he believed to be a precognitive version of a flood near his cabin and promptly packed up and left...within twenty-four hours the cabin had been obliterated by the rising river nearby. (I do not have the source handy...no matter it IS anecdotal in any case).
Now if you are a strict materialist, mind and brain are one and the same and there is no difference...consciousness is a conceit of an ape that has a large forebrain with a lot of chemical activity.
Prophecy would be a collection of symbols appearing in your mind's eye then that someone ties into events after the fact in order to make them seem to fit...post ergo hoc propter hoc.
But for those who have experienced it, and YES they may be fooling themselves I grant you, this does not adequately explain it. Maybe they just need to study a bit more neuroscience.
This field is being well researched but there is still a lot of area untouched.
I also add the work of Michael Persinger of Laurentian University who found that such states similar to the OOBE and NDE could be induced by magnetic stimulation of the amygdala region of the brain...an accident he came across while doing work in magnetic fields and plasma caused by tectonic stress. What does this exciting possibility say about the origins of religious and mystical experiences?!?! Were they caused by proximity to fault lines?? Or from a more charitable mind/brain split point of view...do altered states simply allow us to see a fractured multiverse the way it is?
Yeah I know...scientific for a second then right into the gutter...just makes you wince like nails on a blackboard.  I always keep the url of the Skeptics Online Dictionary handy next to my copy of The Holographic Universe. Like Alice, I like to believe in three impossible things before breakfast. It just makes for a more interesting universe. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2006 12:02:38 AM | Thank you madfidlr.
Most excellent information!
Maybe the fact that I watched Dragonfly the other day has something to do with my wanting to ask others for their input or thoughts on NDE's or maybe it is because the topics are generally ones that invite agruement. This seems like something that may be educating to some and interesting to others.
I guess we have to try and learn what a thought is and then we may be able to arrive at an understanding about NDE's.
Some think a thought is it a mental action. They likely feel it comes from within themselves.....I think this is where many miss the mark and the ego is the stumbling block towards truth. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2006 1:06:39 PM | I should also point out that most NDE in the modern era are due to people being resussitated after clinical death (ie. their heart stops). People don't come back from brain death.
Next, have you heard of a wake? Probably. Do you know where it came from? Well, back in middle ages, when a person died (or was thought to be dead) they'd lie them out on the family table for a week to see if they woke up. It happened enough times to warrent it. We've got the premature burial records (scratches on the inside of coffins) to prove it. So any NDE witnessed prior to modern medicine and proper resussitation procedures is most likely due to dreams while in a long term unconsious state. It is not a NDE like we would know today.
http://www.horizonresearch.org/BIOLOGICALCHANGES.html
See? Lots of stuff get's released into the body upon death. Most of it related to lack of oxygen to the brain and loss of blood pressure. And the problem is that the brain, even though it lacks oxygen, is still functioning to some degree. As such it's not fuctioning very well. This has led to some kids choking eachother till they pass out for a "high". The brain goes wonky without oxygen and glucose. Combine that with all the fun chemicals it's putting into itself and the body and you've got yourself a viable NDE complete with whatever you expected.
Oh and your link? Junk. I happen to have read the Cave and it is NOT an analogy of NDE. It is an analogy of truth vs ignorance. The people in the cave can only see their shadows. They cannot turn their heads or look up. Above them there is a bright light, the pure truth. However noone can see it nor leave the cave. All they can see is a shadow on a wall. One day a man is taken out of the cave. The land above is bright and it takes his eyes a while to adjust, but eventually he see's the truth. He see's the world, brightly and intelligently. He can move on his own, see things as they really are and not just shadows. He becomes happy. When he tries to go back into the cave to free his friends they shun him, insult him, and try to kill him. They don't know what he's talking about and believe he is nothing more then a fool. They don't see the light, only the shadow. But the man, even in the cave, can see both the shadow and the people. He knows he cannot go back to being with them and few come to the light with him.
The tale is told to show that anyone who is enlightened in an unenlightened world will be riddiculed and shunned, even if what he says is true.
Also I would like to point out "Book X, end: The Myth of Er". Myth. You know, like Herculese, Medusa, ect...
Sorry but NDE are nothing more then the brain breaking down then being given blood again. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2006 2:48:21 PM | It is obvious you speak from without which is as many people do on many topics, I am sure you participate in those types of conversations and exchanges quite often. I'm not here to debate with you, what you offer is readily available to and from any Tom****Harry or Lord Dave... (pun intended)
I appreciate your view but mine differs in that it comes from actual experience, not from reading about it or learning about it thirdhand and so forth. I am sure you are very well versed and capable of presenting other persons words and opinions however, I'd hope you would possibly, in the future, research and read with an open-mind and review some of the many discourses written by people who have actually experiened what you are claiming to have knowledge of. There is nothing like learning about something through actual personal experience. The man who says he knows knows nothing while the man who knows nothing, knows it all. Good luck in your journey and your mindset. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2006 10:57:22 PM | Interesting debate. But if ezgoingguy's experience has given him some meaning or understanding or whatever it is he has felt, why is that objectionable based on his 'brain breaking down' and chemicals going 'wacky'. That still does not explain anything really, just that Lord Dave sees the brain, and probably the whole human body as just a machine.
Lord Dave also sees myths as just myths? mythology and maybe even ancient prophecies/skrying shouldnt be ignored because they didnt happen, thats not their purpose. Brain activity, death, myths, prophecies: these things arent easily explained, but if they give insight into the immaterial human condition, then they are worthy of consideration; we're here to learn arent we...? | |
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Posted: 8/11/2006 7:48:52 AM | Dimethyltryptamine is said to induce effects similar to NDE, and it is claimed that the pineal gland also releases this chemical but only after birth and before death. South American tribes extract it from plants for their spiritual journeys. Here's an article on it... http://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/0603/features/peru.html
In the recreational drug world, it goes by the name dmt and users of it report life changing experiences or at least believe the vision is real. What I would like to see is if we can get any NDE'ers to try this stuff and give an A / B comparison. Global NDE would have more marketing appeal if it comes in pill form, maybe throw in some fruity flavors to boot. | |
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Posted: 8/11/2006 8:44:21 AM | Some good things coming now, thanks for participating.
Native Americans us peyote (spelling?). I am aware that the body creates chemicals, fight or flee when facing possible death triggers the release of chemicals. There are goats that fall over at the slightest sign of danger or perceived danger. The goat mind is likely in a dream state and the experience in a sense could be considered an NDE for goats. We can not ask the goat what happened when it fell over and went to sleep however, the intellects would like to explain it from a without sense and expect others to accept what their ego says happens.
My original question is about prophets and others who throughout history have gained insight into the future and other matters via the same experience that gave Edgar Cayce (who gained intellect and specialize knowledge that they were not aware of in a conscience state) could be tied to what lies ahead for us when we pass. Edgar Cayce life represents over 14,000 NDE's. His trance state is considered to be NDE.
Seeing as Edgar Cayce was guided and asked questions, without his "ego" participating, something that can not be explained by book reading intellects occured, however they have opinion and assumptions. I'd think Edgar Cayce would be a better person to ask about the experience, especially when in that state, rather then someone who reads about Cayce.
I am sure the people who go through their life regurgitating other persons opinions and assumptions would state that Edgar Cayce and his experience was all "chemically induced" or that the information that arrived through him, was a trick or is something that should garner no investigation. These are the people who poked him with knives and needles as he lay in trance. Of course they have this opinion as it goes against their ego and materialistic mindset, Cayce and his gift put their ignorance at risk of being discovered by the masses.
So, could Moses have had a near death experience when he supposedly went to the mountain to communicate with God? This would seem more logical when considering what has happened in modern times and is documented through people like Edgar Cayce rather then to accept he walked up to the mountain and sat and waited for God, God came and they had a conversation.
Knowing that those who go through this experience come back changed and for the better, my contention is that NDE's and the information/guidance that arrives, isw the basis for religion. However, the churches have negated this truth and promote that the miracles and other events associated to their dogma's happen outside of the mind of those they call prophets.
Having had OOBE's where I was floating above myself and even moving away from my body for a short distance then returning, allowed me to understand that who I think I am, my body and the material, is far from the truth as, my awareness of being is without boundaries of space and time and possibilites, which has been proven time and time again by people who have left their bodies and went to loved ones and heard their words and witnesed their actions while they lay in an operating room or such. However, I am sure people who read other peoples opinions and assumptions and speak from without, would say this is impossible and worse.
I won't share much but, my NDE was in 1994 and in 1999 I had another experience, in a fully conscience state. This involved the exact same source or intelligence that communicated to me when I was near death and unconscience, came to me in 1999 and forewarned me that I was going to die if I didn't act upon the intution that was coming to me from this source. In fact, I tried to ignore it and it gave me "proof", I won't share what it was but it was proof positive for me!!!
To make a long story short, if I had not heeded the message that was communicated to me by the same intelligence that was with me when I was near death, I would have died, end of me or what I use to perceive as me.
For years since, I have had a number of coincidences and other happenings that in truth, are unexplainable although, they are personal and have changed my life and views they can do little for the intelligent people who are quick to debate using thier ignorance as their ammunition.
Anyway, NDE's can and hopefully will disclose more about the truth and potentially offer peace to the human race if the so called intellects, book smart and personal experience lacking, would shut the fu*k up and allow those with an open-mind who wish to benefit mankind make discoveries rather then opinions, debate and arguement. if this happens, the world and the human race may have a chance. With the ignorant sheep being led by those who are more ignorant (in a spiritual sense) this can not come to be as, if truth was rtevealed, they would be seen and revealed as triators to the human race. If the egomaniacs are stiffled from control and accept that what they profess and promote is useless information, maybe, just maybe, the future will include man on the third rock from the sun.
Anyway, thanks for letting me rant...and rave. | |
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Posted: 8/11/2006 9:51:39 AM | It's so creepy to me that many view humans and their experiences as really nothing more than chemical sacks having and reacting to chemical reactions within the brain. By this theory, love to these ppl is nothing more than a state induced by released chemicals in the brain, and other purely organic brain-chemical responses. Is love then not truly 'real'? Or fear? How about any other emotion or feeling such as empathy, compassion, sorrow and grief? Or aspects of one's personality such as integrity, honor, benevolence, or philanthropy? All feelings, thoughts, and displays of conciousness to these ppl are nothing more than brain processes/circuitry, chemicals in the brain, and hormones etc. Kind of like we're all nothing more than organic 'machines.' Not only do I find this pov sad, but WAY too materialistic, scientifically legalistic, and extraordinarily closed-minded. If you have a healthy, open mind you should find, as Einstein did, that the more you discover about science and the universe, esp. certain aspects of them (metaphysics, quantum theory/physics/mechanics, space-time, ETC) the MORE mystical it becomes-not the other way around. There's more to humans than chemicals, brain circuitry and hormones, imo, just as there's more to the universe than the moon, sun, stars, comets and planets (i.e. the visible)- and there's more to love than dopamine and other chems and hormones, and more to grief than, say, a sudden plunge in seratonin...ask any mother.
Alot of NDE's are unexplainable in the fact that some of these ppl have observed their environment and gave amazingly accurate and detailed accounts of what was being said and done while they were registered as clinically DEAD-no heartbeat, and no registered brain activity (brainwaves,etc). They've given accurate and detailed accounts to Dr.'s, nurses, and family members of what was going on (in *detail*) not only in their immediate environment, but also in other environments i.e. other parts of the hospital. Many Dr.'s (not dummies) have been so amazed/intrigued by their experiences w/ these ppl and this phenomena that they've written books on the subject, etc.
Religion without science is blind. Science without the mystical is lame.-Einstein
imo, mystical=things not 'proven' (i.e. replicated in a lab or able to be weighed, measured and repeatedly observed on demand) explained, understood, or yet discovered.
My $.02.....Peace. | |
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Posted: 8/11/2006 9:58:59 AM | You've a good point nikki. There is definately more to these emotions than mere chemical reactions. However, the chemical reactions are certainly a part of them.
The concepts behind lust turning to love are a prime example. In the beginning it is nothing more than chemical attraction, the natural biological processes coming together. Afterwards, once that has warn off and there are other chemicals that come into play give other feelings which are then thought on for long and short periods of time by individuals...and they sometimes lead to the feeling of love, which even after the chemicals have subsided last for long periods of time...a feeling of rightness if you will. Sometimes it lasts forever, sometimes it doesn't.
It's a combonation of the two things that give to the reality of emotion. Without those chemical reactions, there would be no initial emotional response. Without long lasting emotions those chemical reactions would be meaningless. | |
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Posted: 8/11/2006 3:25:27 PM | The future? The future is transparent. I predict that in the future, a great man will emerge and will bring a great empire to it's knees.
And if a NDE gives you a life changing perspective, hey that's great. But when you say it's from God, I doubt it. To quote Adams: "It's enough to see a garden is beautiful without having to believe fairies are under it."
And I have had a NDE. I fell into a frozen over pond. Nearly died. I saw a bright light and a man standing by some golden gates.
This is our conversation:
Man: Dave....
Dave: Oh my god! There is a God!
Man: No. There is no god, heaven or hell. Your unconsious, drowning in frozen water. Now wake up before I kick you.
Not only that but when I was 7 years old, I broke a mirror. 2 months later my family moved far away and I became a picked on kid at school. I suffered for 7 years until I finally left that school and moved to a new school with only 2 years left. 7 years bad luck? But wait there's more. If I hadn't moved I would be even worse off then I am now. Into drugs, crime, ect... Or dead. I also wouldn't have gone insane.
So obviously you have to believe me because I said it. So tell me, is that a divine message from God? | |
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Posted: 8/11/2006 4:34:00 PM | Im not debating with you and please do not put statements in my mouth.. I never said God spoke to me or to anyone, the bible says God spoke to Moses. You are so use to spewing other peoples words and thoughts, please do not try to represent or express my views.
As per your NDE, I do not believe you and with good reason. Do you believe me, no, and thats fine. Your opionion likely isn't even your own.
In reviewing many threads and such, I find some people ^^^^ are arguementative and totally disrupted towards creative sharing between people (have you ever started a thread? NO, why, because you are not original). So, why did this person come into this thread anyway, to attack people who are creative thinkers and to support and push the views/opinions of other people.
So go troll for a arguement somewhere else, most people have read the same books you have anyway so essentially you have absolutely nothing unique to offer.
There have been others sharing in a positive light while the negativity this person brought on stands alone without companionship, however, there may just be a call to arms from the others who wear their hearts in their pocket protectors. It seems to me that their egos sign into the site hours before they do. I apologize for my personal opinion of this person but it was shaped by their words and actions towards me and my personal experience.
Sorry moderators, for being off topic.
But this person will likely negate a lot of people from sharing and posting in this thread (and many others) and I had hope to participate in discussions with people who feel akin to the topic not adversed and participating with the sole purpose to get under peoples skin and blah blah blah, I read a book, blah blah.
OT - Anyone else "really" have an NDE? and please leave the one who claims to be a "Lord" out of your posts as there is already enough discord and resentment in this world.
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Posted: 8/11/2006 7:47:30 PM | I never said God spoke to me or to anyone
My appologies. I got that idea form the whole bit about being given visions of the future, which you state in your first post. Most visions of the future are credited to divine entities.
I do believe you had a NDE. I'm not debating that. I also feel that it was a profound experience for you that changed your life. However I do feel that there is nothing mystical about it. It's simply the sudden realization of mortality. Most people have that even without the whole out of body experience or visions. Just ask anyone who suffered a serious gun-shot wound or became seriously injured in a car wreak.
Oh and the second story about the mirror? That one is true.
And yes, I have started threads here. Not many and, alas, they don't show up on searches since I haven't started one within the last month. I have been known to be very creative, but that is a moot point. I do, however, take offense to being told I'm simply speaking others words. Do you see anyone else talking negatively here? No. My thoughts are my own. My opinions are my own, even if they're wrong atleast they're mine and I'm proud of them.
But this person will likely negate a lot of people from sharing and posting in this thread (and many others) and I had hope to participate in discussions with people who feel akin to the topic not adversed and participating with the sole purpose to get under peoples skin and blah blah blah, I read a book, blah blah.
Very well then. If you honestly think that then I DEMAND that anyone who felt threatened by me and my text and as a result did not share here to PM late(tm) and DEMAND I be deleted and banned from this site for all time and I DEMAND that he does it. Even if it's ONE person. No, I don't have any open proxy stuff nor do I hide behind other aliases. And as the log files will show, my IP has remained constant (or mostly constant depending on if I'm at another PC when I post) since I first created an account. | |
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Posted: 8/11/2006 8:29:48 PM | @Lord Dave - I have no problem with you buddy, I just noticed that you generally participate in threads with topics that are started purposely to cause problems or become arguements. My wish was that this was not one of those types of threads and your postings, even after others participated, were meant to continue on with debating. But your debating me on my personal experience was not welcome and the reasom I became upset.
I do not wish to see anyone get banned or such for stating an opinion without personally attacking a poster, and I am positive that will not happen here, they would ban me if anyone. From what was started to be a unique topic it was starting to look like the war threads that are popular with the experience through reading about it crowd.
Maybe try this, it works for me, have an NPE (near posting experience) when you feel that urge to debate and argue and so. 
You are a well educated, articulate person and I admit I was less then tactfull and I apologize and wish you no ill regards.
Anyway, water under the bridge, Im not a bad guy. May peace be yours.
OT - I sent an email to Michael Persinger inquiring about any NDE research groups that may be available or happening in BC Canada (not Before Christ Canada - no time traveller here).
Wanted to thank the poster for that information, very much appreciated. | |
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Posted: 8/11/2006 9:03:52 PM | ^^^Actually Dave has been discussing your topic. It is not a posting rule that he is required to share the same opinion. On the other hand, your replies to him, have been directed at his person. You are the one trolling man.
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Posted: 8/11/2006 9:38:01 PM | | Oops I guess my original post came across as degrading DMT and NDE to chemically induced hallucinations. So let me back up, I read about DMT while "researching" NDE experiences and found similarities in their description. There was a US Gov funded study in the 90's where the researcher had suggested that this chemical appears to allow the mind to open a "gateway" to a deeper reality, according to experiences from his subjects. So if there is any significant correlation between DMT and NDE "realities", and Cayce's reality (eg Akashic Records), then this may be the method spiritual leaders are using to seek guidance. | |
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Posted: 8/12/2006 8:41:30 AM | I would like to appologize. Ez is somewhat right, I do tend to argue and debate. I do this because I like to argue and debate in the same way some people like to fight. Perhaps I'm transposing some other type of emotion into violence, but not physical violence. Perhaps I just like the challenge of trying to out argue someone. But the bottom line is that I like to argue and debate and I can get very agressive on the subject at times.
So yes, one can say I come here to this forum to argue and debate. But I do it for fun. Like extreme sports, only without the physical pain.
So if I offended anyone I am sorry. I have made my points clear here and this will be my last post in this thread.
-On topic-
There may have been a misunderstanding on my part about your comments Ez. When I hear Near Death Experiences I think of floating out of your body as a soul and going up to wherever your supposed to go and thus having it be called evidence of an afterlife. You, however, seem to understand it as more of what I would call a moment of self-realization. A moment where you realize what's going on within yourself and what must be done about it. And on that I agree. | |
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Posted: 8/12/2006 5:16:35 PM | ezgoingguy .. i find you extremely interesting and knowledgeable .. having read several of your posts i feel i have a somewhat "educated" opinion and ... that leads me to the subject of NDE's (NEAR Death Experiences) .. i have had more than one .. and am not getting into the details ... i've found that many arguments are fostered by details provided to nit pickers!
.. the experience i recall most was at the age of 5 and resulted from drowning .. i recall the euphoria like it was yesterday .. and i recall what i saw as well .. while there was incredible light .... it was more than "just" light .. i can't describe exactly what i saw .. but i can very clearly recall it .,.. and i cant SAY that it "changed" my life .. becuz my life had just begun really .. but i can say that I BELIEVE it changed my life ...
i tend to think that becuz of my NDE"s i am more open to other peoples accounts of many "mysterious" experiences .. and whether or not there is brain chemistry involved is (as far as i'm concerned) redundant... brain chemistry is involved in / impacted by every frikkin thing we do.. let alone what we injest .. so to suggest that MY NDE"s were "simply" brain chemistry seems a tad over simplified .. not to mention an uneducated judgement ... and i mean uneducated as in not experienced .. anyone can read anyone elses opinion and find another that disputes it .. there is nothing like first hand experience.
now .. do i think that the seers and prophets of yesteryear had NDE's .. (do i think it?) .. well why not? .. i figure some probly did and others didn't .. and then there were yet others that would debate it .. i would like to say for a non event .. there are a lot of documented cases!
still ... find your posts quite fascinating ez ... perhaps we had this discussion sometime in the future!
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Posted: 8/13/2006 6:23:06 AM | One friend had an NDE and saw a hellish place, although a nice guy, another aquaintance saw heaven.
And there is Ezekiel who saw heaven, and a contemporaries, www.GaryOates.com, www.aglimpseofeternity.org/ And Dirk Willner died on the operating table and came back as well, www.ilp.org.au/spiritual_resources/personal_growth/personal_growth.htm | |
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Posted: 8/14/2006 9:01:25 PM | | you dont have to have nde to see a"vision"or dream something the night before and it comes about it says in the last days I shall pour out my spirit upon ALL flesh "even clowns" young men will see visions and old men will dream dreams and your sons and your daughters shall PHROPHECY! | |
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Posted: 8/14/2006 9:07:09 PM | I can't think of a single time in recorded history when we have been short of prophets, seers and dream-interpreters...even in the Jewish and Christian Scriptures right back to their beginnings and lonnnnnnnng before they were written in Egypt and Sumer...
OH! Won't these horrible last days ever end.... 6000+ years and counting if we go by that quote above...  | |
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Posted: 8/15/2006 7:29:14 AM | I believe in the Near Death experiences and the After Death Experiences. I can not argue with what these people who have had them have seen. Also I agree in visions, some people may receive more of them than others, but they are real.
The topics of NDE and After Death Experiences really fascinate me.
One that sticks out in my mind is regarding a child who was in the hospital and she died, was brought back. She actually told the doctor everything she had witnessed her family saying in the other room, and how everything was arranged, during her brief death!!
I have done a lot of reading on the topics, and have found much information that I believe could not have
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