| Israel breaks U.N. ceasefire resolution 1701 with attack.*
Posted: 8/19/2006 2:17:37 AM | Saturday August 19, 2006
Israel breaks U.N. ceasefire resolution 1701 with attack.
BEIRUT - Israeli aircraft have fired several rockets at a target in a Hizbollah stronghold in eastern Lebanon, a Lebanese security source said today Saturday August 19, 2006.
Israel has broken the U.N. ceasefire resolution which it had agreed to and had signed.
On 13 August the Israeli Cabinet voted 24-0 in favor of the resolution, with one abstention. The U.N.-brokered cease-fire began on Monday, 14 August 2006 at 8:00 AM local time.
UN 1701 called for "a full cessation of hostilities".
New York Times reported Israel signed UN 1701: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/15/world/middleeast/15assess.html?8br
Haatrez reports Israel had signed agreement UN 1701:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/750017.html
Reuters news story:
Australia reports:
New Zealand reports:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10397051
Common background of 1701:
U.N. Resolution 1701: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1701
Offical United Nations pdf. site for 1701.
http://daccess-ods.un.org/TMP/4670172.html
UN Resolution web page
http://www.un.org/docs/sc/unsc_resolutions06.htm
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| Israel breaks U.N. ceasefire resolution 1701 with attack.
Posted: 8/19/2006 5:14:07 PM | Israel claims that Hez. was smuggling arms from Iran, which they certainly are.
Cease-fires are an excellent opportunity for:
1) Rebuilding and strenghtening logistics.
2)Storing caches
3)Fortifying defensive positions
4)Drawing up new plans for offensive operations
5)Assessing the enemy and gathering intelligence
6)Waging propaganda warfare
7)Diplomatic positioning
8)Covertly breaking the cease-fire whenever it suits your needs
Overall Hez. needed the cease-fire more. It could declare some sort of "moral victory" and begin to recover from the the catastrophic damage inflicted in southern Lebanon.
So naturally Israel, knowing this, overtly broke the cease-fire first. | |
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| Israel breaks U.N. ceasefire resolution 1701 with attack.
Posted: 8/19/2006 6:44:06 PM | So... israel's supposed to just let Iran send more rockets into Lebanon and do nothing?
What kind of "cease fire" is that?
the only reason Hezbullah agreed to it was to be able to reload without being shot at.
... are you guys tripping that Israel's infringing on human rights for not letting Hezbullah reload in peace?
*uh buoy...*
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| Israel breaks U.N. ceasefire resolution 1701 with attack.
Posted: 8/19/2006 6:55:01 PM | So... israel's supposed to just let Iran send more rockets into Lebanon and do nothing?
They are supposed to report the cease fire agreement violation to the UN.
As Lebanon has done with the Israelis violation of the agreement.
If they have proof enough to attack, ...this is proof enough for the UN, ...no?
Note: Lebanon hasn't retaliated, they reported it to the UN.
Israel reported - nothing - about Lebanon violating the agreement, they attacked. | |
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| Israel breaks U.N. ceasefire resolution 1701 with attack.
Posted: 8/19/2006 6:57:55 PM | no israel israel is not supposed to just let iran send more rockets into lebanon and do nothing. It's supposed to get from the us 1000's of laser guided missiles, f16 fighters, more shrapnel bombs to kill the civilians that it did kill the first time around.
what kind of cease fire is-it if israel does not get a chance to do a better job at killing innocent lebanese civilians. what kind of cease-fire is it when there are few more standing bridges in lebanon, 100's of miles of roads and highway that israel did not get to the first time around.
come on, give peace a chance. let israel finish the job it started in lebanon. after all, it takes time to wipe out an entire population. just ask the nazis.
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| Israel breaks U.N. ceasefire resolution 1701 with attack.
Posted: 8/19/2006 6:59:22 PM |
The UN is about as useful as tits on a boar hog.
Only if the agreement isn't honoured.
Israel has kinda' a crappy record in this regard.
Lebanon has not retaliated.
The UN is moot, ....bargaining in good/bad faith is what decides the agenda. | |
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| Israel breaks U.N. ceasefire resolution 1701 with attack.
Posted: 8/19/2006 7:12:06 PM | hey what about the resolution prior to that 1559?
it says that hezbola is supposed to be DISARMED?
oh, no that one doesn't count.
at least israel isn't TRYING to kill civilians.....that is ALL hezbola is attacking!
get yr heads outta yr butts!
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| Israel breaks U.N. ceasefire resolution 1701 with attack.
Posted: 8/19/2006 7:24:39 PM | They are supposed to report the cease fire agreement violation to the UN.
As Lebanon has done with the Israelis violation of the agreement.
If they have proof enough to attack, ...this is proof enough for the UN, ...no?
Note: Lebanon hasn't retaliated, they reported it to the UN.
Israel reported - nothing - about Lebanon violating the agreement, they attacked.
My reading of the text is probably the same as yours, but just because they moved out of Lebanon before the Lebanese troops made parallel advances, does not clearly require that they had to stay on their side of the border. Their immediate retreat was a ruse, and Hezbollah let their guard down. Israel was not required to leave until the Lebanese began to enforce the principles. The main principle being that Hezbollah would not be permitted to import weapons.
As I pointed out on another thread, if Hezbollah attacked any Israeli soldier or outpost, the violation was made by Hezbollah. Isreali soldiers could have walked directly into Hezbollah HQ and claimed they were attacked, as long as the enemy fired first. It might be a clever reading of the terms of the UN agreement, but it is clearly not a violation unless the Israelis fired first.
Besides the text of the resolution, you must agree to enforce its Spirit. The Spirit of the Resolution clearly calls for Hezbollah disarmament. Israel's tactical strike against a specific bridge that was not under the control of the Lebanese forces was a superb demonstration of the inefficiency of the UN. They evidently haven't figured out how to use the combined powers of the most powerful nations in the world to first draft, and then immediately enforce a viable resolution, both in text and in Spirit. I have to congratulate Isreal for this demonstration, and again for not taking any civilian lives in the process. Apparently, some very valiant warriors died, and their names should be etched in History, particularly if Hezbollah fired first and these brave men were taken down by the first volley.
Edit: It appears that the first violation was Hezbollah, again. ===>http://news.bostonherald.com/international/view.bg?articleid=152846 | |
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| Israel breaks U.N. ceasefire resolution 1701 with attack.
Posted: 8/19/2006 7:26:18 PM |
it says that hezbola is supposed to be DISARMED?
If the IDF/IAF had proof enough to mount an attack during a cease fire, why did they wait until after the UN had to call them up over THEIR violation of the ceasefire, ...to mention this.
Lebanon hasn't retaliated, they did the right thing and reported the violation of the agreement.
Who is acting in good faith?
at least israel isn't TRYING to kill civilians.....that is ALL hezbola is attacking!
That's what Israel says, ...but,
With all the US precision laser guided bombs strapped under the most advanced F 16s we have this :
Lebanese dead: 1,130 civilians; 35 Government Military; 65+ Hezbollah
Israeli dead: 52 civilians; 118 Military
Though at least 2 IDF F 16 pilots DID refuse to drop bombs on Lebanese civilians.
The Israelis are not an evil people, the fact is, many members of both the IDF air force, and ground forces are sometimes imprisoned in their own country for refusing to commit atrocities.
Twenty-seven Israeli pilots have signed a letter refusing to serve combat missions in the Israeli occupied territories. Although over 500 Israeli reserve Army soldiers have signed a similar letter since early 2002, the signatories of this letter are all officers, including a brigadier general and two lieutenant-colonels, making it without precedent in Israel's history.
Twenty-seven Israeli pilots have signed a letter refusing to serve combat missions in the Israeli occupied territories. Although over 500 Israeli reserve Army soldiers have signed a similar letter since early 2002, the signatories of this letter are all officers, including a brigadier general and two lieutenant-colonels, making it without precedent in Israel's history.
Another thing, if Hezbollah was supposed to have "STARTED" the last war, and you really think that the Israeli government didn't plan this war, why do you think that the IDF Chief of Staff Dan Halutz divested himself of his stock portfolio 4 hours before the war began??
Just a coincidence?
Israel's tactical strike against a specific bridge that was not under the control of the Lebanese forces was a superb demonstration of the inefficiency of the UN.
I have seen no proof of this "resupply", to my knowledge neither has the UN. If Israel had proof, the onus was on them to pass it on.
Gripe about the UN all you want, ...but it's what stands between accountability, ...and unilateralism.
bulls**t from Jew haters.
Cite please, ....really.
Please demonstrate that this isn't a bald-faced troll post.
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| Israel breaks U.N. ceasefire resolution 1701 with attack.
Posted: 8/19/2006 7:52:04 PM |
I have seen no proof of this "resupply", to my knowledge neither has the UN. If Israel had proof, the onus was on them to pass it on.
Gripe about the UN all you want, ...but it's what stands between accountability, ...and unilateralism.
The Onus?
The UN firmly placed the Onus of stopping the arms flow upon themselves and the Lebanese.
"there will be no weapons without the consent of the government of Lebanon and no authority other than that of the government of Lebanon;"
"there will be no weapons or authority in Lebanon other than that of the Lebanese state"
"No sales or supply of arms and related materiel to Lebanon except as authorized by its government"
The UN "expresses its intention to be actively involved"
"Acting in support of a request from the government of Lebanon to deploy an international force to assist it to exercise its authority throughout the territory, authorizes Unifil to take all necessary action in areas of deployment of its forces and as it deems within its capabilities, to ensure that its area of operations is not utilised for hostile activities of any kind,"
"Requests the secretary general urgently to put in place measures to ensure Unifil is able to carry out the functions envisaged in this resolution,"
It sounds like the UN took the Onus, and dropped the ball. | |
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| Israel breaks U.N. ceasefire resolution 1701 with attack.
Posted: 8/19/2006 8:05:37 PM | ^^^
The rocket explosions reported by Israel came hours after the start of a U.N. cease-fire in Lebanon. None of the rockets reached Israel and no injuries were reported. Hezbollah, which frequently used the katyusha rockets in its battle against the Jewish state, has said it will attack Israeli forces in southern Lebanon despite the truce.
I am guessing we are ignoring this, because Israel has made an attack four days later?
http://news.bostonherald.com/international/view.bg?articleid=152846 | |
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| Israel breaks U.N. ceasefire resolution 1701 with attack.
Posted: 8/19/2006 8:09:57 PM |
It sounds like the UN took the Onus, and dropped the ball.
The UN firmly placed the Onus of stopping the arms flow upon themselves and the Lebanese.
"there will be no weapons without the consent of the government of Lebanon and no authority other than that of the government of Lebanon;"
"there will be no weapons or authority in Lebanon other than that of the Lebanese state"
"No sales or supply of arms and related materiel to Lebanon except as authorized by its government"
The UN "expresses its intention to be actively involved"
Cite?
Where's the proof of arms movements?
Israel DID get caught, where's THEIR proof?
Hmmmm... the rockets fired NOT into Israel, ...right?
Does this mean that Lebanon can go into Israel and still enjoy the cease fire mandate? | |
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| Israel breaks U.N. ceasefire resolution 1701 with attack.
Posted: 8/19/2006 8:44:12 PM |
Cite?
Sorry. I thought since we were discussing UN resolution 1701, that you would be familiar with the source document.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4785963.stm
Since you asked for proof, I will ask you to cite the source of the material that requires them to prove their allegation before conducting a defensive action. Resolution 1701 doesn't specifically require any proofs.
I have already shown that Hezbollah fired rockets first (on Monday), and have cited the source. Maybe the Boston Herald was lying?
"Hizbollah television reported its guerillas clashed with Israeli commandos near Bodai and forced them to fly out"
I guess Hizbollah is admitting fault. They "clashed" with commandos who apparently went looking for the proof. Who needs any more proof than that? | |
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Msg: 17 | |
| Israel breaks U.N. ceasefire resolution 1701 with attack.
Posted: 8/19/2006 9:11:30 PM | I have already shown that Hezbollah fired rockets first (on Monday), and have cited the source. Maybe the Boston Herald was lying?
Against Israel?
"Hizbollah television reported its guerillas clashed with Israeli commandos near Bodai and forced them to fly out"
I guess Hizbollah is admitting fault. They "clashed" with commandos who apparently went looking for the proof. Who needs any more proof than that?
Proof that there was arms being transported, ...not that a bridge was "Potential" for this.
Do you have a cite for this alleged "weapons from Iran/Syria"?
That's all....
Not, "I guess"...... | |
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| Israel breaks U.N. ceasefire resolution 1701 with attack.
Posted: 8/19/2006 9:34:10 PM |
Proof that there was arms being transported, ...not that a bridge was "Potential" for this.
Do you have a cite for this alleged "weapons from Iran/Syria"?
I would like to see the proof myself, but I never said there was any. I also asked you to cite the reference that demands such proof. I cited the 1701 resolution, and nothing that Israel has done has been proven to violate it. Defending commmandos on a "recon" mission would qualify as "not attacking," and any subsequent action would be viewed as defensive. Maybe you should think about proving that they attacked. I am sure that these details will appear soon enough unless both Lebanon and Isreal decide to overlook it in the interest of peace and in the interest of enforcing the spirit of the resolution. If the spirit is lost, the resolution is invalid from its inception. | |
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| Israel breaks U.N. ceasefire resolution 1701 with attack.
Posted: 8/19/2006 9:42:50 PM | If you reference my first post on this, really, ....I didn't let the knee touch the chin.
Wait and see.
I am sure that these details will appear soon enough unless both Lebanon and Isreal decide to overlook it in the interest of peace and in the interest of enforcing the spirit of the resolution. If the spirit is lost, the resolution is invalid from its inception.
Bad faith, .... is not the fault of the resolution.
Or, the mandate that came up with it.
Bad faith is bad faith, ....if you sign a contract, ...and you or the other party screws the pooch?
...Ain't the contracts fault.
The "sense of entitlement" otherwise, ...is the gollum in the gears. | |
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| Israel breaks U.N. ceasefire resolution 1701 with attack.
Posted: 8/19/2006 10:05:36 PM |
Bad faith, .... is not the fault of the resolution.
Or, the mandate that came up with it.
Bad faith is bad faith, ....if you sign a contract, ...and you or the other party screws the pooch?
But even the faith of the players must be measured against the text of the document. The text specifies that the UN and Lebanon are responsible for the disarmament of Hezbollah. I have a feeling the pooch already got screwed. Disarm Hezbollah?
"there will be no weapons without the consent of the government of Lebanon and no authority other than that of the government of Lebanon; "
"require the disarmament of all armed groups in Lebanon, so that, pursuant to the Lebanese cabinet decision of July 27, 2006, there will be no weapons or authority in Lebanon other than that of the Lebanese state;"
In particular, a demilitarized zone?
"including the establishment between the Blue Line and the Litani river of an area free of any armed personnel, assets and weapons other than those of the government of Lebanon and of UNIFIL as authorised in paragraph 11, deployed in this area"
I think I can see where bad faith is anticipated from the start. Hezbollah has vowed to continue fighting. I doubt that they will let either the UN or Lebanon disarm them any more easily than Israel, but I won't jerk my knee just yet. I suppose we can hope that the combined powers of the world, focused on a small piece of land, can accomplish something. I don't think I'll hold my breath. | |
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| Israel breaks U.N. ceasefire resolution 1701 with attack.
Posted: 8/19/2006 10:19:40 PM |
Does this mean that you think that Israel will continue to ignore going through channels?
I am thinking that Israel might have difficulty in waiting for the sun to set in the east, and see Hezbollah disarmed at the end of that day. | |
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| Israel breaks U.N. ceasefire resolution 1701 with attack.
Posted: 8/19/2006 10:21:32 PM | gottalight, you gotta quit...while you're still not too far behind! Seems you're a bit over your head with no life-preserver in sight (or, in this case; "cite" )
Face it, Israel tried to pull a fast one and got caught. Sorry. | |
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| Israel breaks U.N. ceasefire resolution 1701 with attack.
Posted: 8/19/2006 10:25:47 PM | I am thinking that Israel might have difficulty in waiting for the sun to set in the east, and see Hezbollah disarmed at the end of that day.
Ahhh... Llap Goch, ( ) the Welsh art of self-defense, not well known as a Zionist strategy.......
Even so, the fundamental principles of Lap Goch are well known. There are two:
http://www.ppsa.com/gif/llap01.gif
1. That the best form of defence is attack
2. That the most important element in a successful attack is surprise
I can handle this on a pythonesque level I suppose.
Aside from the, ....aside from sunset vistas?
Any cite yet? | |
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| Israel breaks U.N. ceasefire resolution 1701 with attack.
Posted: 8/19/2006 10:28:26 PM | Assuming that this is all %100 factual and true in spirit (as in, Israel broke the ceasefire for no good reason that wasn't addressed in the agreement) then it's undeniable that they bargained in bad faith.
Having said that, I'm not certain as to who is where and doing what really. The ceasefire requires that everybody put down their guns basically I would assume. Hmmmm...well, who's going to put down any guns until the cavalry arrives ? Not to justify the actions of Israel in this case (although, truth be told, I don't find it particularly difficult to justify going after your enemies and doing your best to thwart them) but I'm not sure who exactly is in place to seperate these two.
As to the UN's role in all of this, well let's not forget that it was supposed to be keeping these two as far away from each other as possible in the first place. Kinda tough to place much faith in their ability to actually follow through on that now. However, if they aren't given the opportunity to get it right this time then there really isn't much point in getting them involved at all. Might as well let them try. | |
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