| heavy metal stigmata[Locked - drifted off-topic]
Posted: 8/19/2006 4:24:19 PM | I don't understand guys. Why is that people will listen to any type of music other than metal? I regard myself as a musician, and having said that, I will listen to virtually anything once, regardless of what type of tune it is. Yet time and time again, i am faced with distaste and closed-mindness when it comes to demonstrating to my friends what I listen to. I am a dedicated (i guess you would term it new-metal) -head and no one seems to want to give it chance. It's exasperating, but I've learned to deal i guess. I'm just wondering if it's a love it or loathe it thing for most people. Any input is appreciated.
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Posted: 8/19/2006 4:46:37 PM | | Actually, I did mean stigmata, just because people's aversion to it borders on the fear of blasphemy. I'm just curious as to WHY people are so close minded about it? Is it left over fear of devil worship or what? Or is just the screaming? Because not all heavy metal has screaming, just like not all country music has a banjo :) | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 4:57:43 PM | | I am a a 41 year old Marilyn Manson fan ...so I know something about your situation but I don’t give a hoot about what my friends thinks ...I tried at to educate them to his mad genius ways but it didn't sink in | |
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| heavy metal stigmata
Posted: 8/19/2006 5:03:19 PM | Actually, I did mean stigmata, just because people's aversion to it borders on the fear of blasphemy.
stigma
n : a symbol of disgrace or infamy
stigmata
n : marks resembling the wounds on the crucified body of Christ
Sure 'bout that?
I've been playing for almost 40 years, ...on and off professionally for 30 years.
I mostly just work as a session musician now, ...and I pick and choose who I work for, by whether I like their songwriting, ...genre is not a barrier for me.
That said:
I tend not to base my preferences on marketing labels, ..but various criteria of "music"
I don't like music that:
- Has little or no dynamic envelope
- Is harmonically limited to diadic fifths and major/minor triads
- Is emotively narrow
- Is overtly formulaic
- Limited harmonic progression make melody nebulous
- Solos tend not to "phrase" (hard to phrase eloquently over diadic fifths)
Which pretty much encompasses the stylistic requirements of contemporary "Metal" if you think about it.
don't worry about the people that don't get it
Oh, I get it ...but, por moi? "one dimentional" can be interesting as a diversion, ...but not a mandate. I just require art built from a more complex pallette, "all black" paintings bore me.
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Posted: 8/19/2006 6:37:41 PM | | I wouldn't classify myself as a head banger because I am inspired by many different genres of music . On any given day you could find me listening to Buddhist chanting , traditional folk , Classical or 80's Punk you name it why I even have a country artist or two I dig ...I am however particular about the artists I listen to and MM is the bomb diggity when it comes to that kind...for me he is. | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 6:43:34 PM | sephoa
I like all styles of music
Including new metal
I enjoy music that conveys or expresses an emotion
-metal if done right expresses 'a dark place' like no other music can
-metal can get you 'amped or stoked' like no other music
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Posted: 8/19/2006 7:27:12 PM | | I still listen to the old metal.....Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Y & T etc.....the new stuff just does'nt float my boat | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 7:44:23 PM | Well, I for one am a big fan of what I term "progressive metal" from bands such as Queensryche, Iron Maiden, and even Rush - a new band Tool fits into that category as well. I'm not really into "mindless metal" too much, like Cinderella and what is termed to be "hair bands." But I'd probably rather listen to that than some of the crap that is played today (Britney, Backstreet Boys, etc.) - YUK.
But I don't like to be pigeonholed into only being a "metalhead," as I can go from Madonna to Enya to Foo Fighters to Judas Priest all in one day. Oh yeah, and put a little Paganini in for good measure..
I say, don't let the "stigma" (I think that's more appropriate here than "stigmata") thing get to you dude. Be yourself. That's the only way to be!  | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 8:58:56 PM | I think I understand what you mean but you know...who cares what others think. Music is a personal thing and not everyone is going to like what you like as with anything else. I'm 44 and a huge metal fan....give me Iron Maiden and Motorhead anytime. I listen to it on my time....usually while I'm driving so I can crank it way up!
On the reverse side and I think you can relate to this....how can anyone listen to that dance crap disco poop? I tolerate it cause it's personal choice. Get up and boogie man! | |
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Posted: 8/19/2006 9:00:46 PM | | Well put guitarchick. Yeah those metal hair bands were hard to take....just bad. | |
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Posted: 8/20/2006 1:46:18 AM | the most common objection to metal is the growling vocals....
...and a lot of it can get pretty boring...but then again...a lot of ANY genre of music can get boring...unless it's based on improvisation...GOOD improvisation...
...I've come to realize that there's not much use in arguing about music...in the sense of trying to get somebody to appreciate it.....
...music is all about emotion...if it makes them feel good...so be it...
...the majority of Black Sabbath stuff is pretty simple....but it makes people feel good...
...myself included... | |
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Posted: 8/20/2006 3:43:52 PM | well, i tend to not like new-metal, its just a personal prefferance, i just hate most of what i hear. i love the metal from 80's, i love the black/death/melodic metal, hell even viking and thrash, the good bands anyway. but then i dont like glam either, they pussied metal:" thanks for the love ballads, and accoustics"....****s... anyway.
yea, i can get really picky when it comes to music. haha, especially if it's in my house.
i have to like the feel of it in order to hear it out. otherwise i get that "flat-line" sound "extended beep" noise when i hear a band. so to speak anyways. it basically becomes a background noise.  | |
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Posted: 8/20/2006 6:49:47 PM | Thanks Hawkwind. I like your picture splicing, pretty hilarious (on your profile). I tell ya, those metal hair bands (esp the glam stuff) can be pretty embarrassing, almost as bad as the disco 70s collared shirts, afros and big glasses! essshhh
And Paulchino, Black Sabbath is the father band of heavy metal dude! They may be simple, but you gotta give Tony Iomni his props for playing without some of his fingertips! That must have been painful. Very memorable riffs and of course, Ozzy....although he can't hold a conversation anymore, poor guy! 
"Fairies wear boots and you gotta believe me..." what a classic | |
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Posted: 10/14/2006 11:53:07 AM | i think its because well it aint the normal thing to see a guy with long hair and 99% of the world hates anything that they dont class normal plus rock music tells u the truth about the shit in this world today and as they say everyone hates the truth alot of people hate marilyn manson
for the reason hes an antichrist and will tell u every floor in there christian religion and how much of a religion it really is thats why they hate rock music if it was all love songs and sing alongs etc etc then it would be what they call normal but because we dress different and listen to what we want they dont like it as u gotta be a clone to fit in remember | |
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Posted: 10/14/2006 11:58:30 AM | and truth be told if everyone knew the truth about everything in this messed up world they would soon lose the plot lol everyone hates rock music because we are the only genre out there who tell u exactly whats going on in this life look at marilyn manson,slayer,deicide,ozzy osbourne what they all got in comman there lyrics are based around real stuff happening but they dont like it ozzy tells u in his lyrics about his life and all the bad stuff hes been through but people dont wanna hear it so it gets classed as evil music
as i say people carnt take reality | |
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Posted: 10/14/2006 4:42:55 PM | | i don't understand why the op would care if other people like what he listens to. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2006 4:44:41 PM | I don't do heavy metal but stigmata is a great film  | |
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Posted: 10/14/2006 5:58:50 PM | | Metal is one of the best genres of music that I like to listen to but its not the only music I listen to. In fact, when I was a little kid, my first ever exposure to music was The Beatles, Crosby Stills Nash and Young, and The Cars. By the time 1994 came along, thats when I was introduced to bands such as Green Day and Weezer and the late 90's, the first ever metal band I listened to(and I hope I don't get made fun of for this), was Korn and lets just say that my metal tastes got heavier and the rest is history. Personally, while metal is a huge part of what I listen to, I can't forget what got me into music in the first place. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2006 11:55:09 PM | I think Metal turned a bit clownish sometime ago.
The whole hair band era..... Poison, Ratt, Cinderfella, Slaughter,
The costume era..... Slipknot, Mudvayne, and a slew of other trick or treaters.
The Devil Worshipping thing...... Wasp, Slayer, Hanson
I used to read Circus, Hit Parader and a few other rock magazines until the bands got so ugly that I couldn't take it anymore.
Just opening one at the magazine rack at my local safeway..... Bleeeech! .... made me feel like I was flipping through a newsletter from Leavenworth Prison.
Even the guitar player magazines got into the act. They included these ugly bands on the CD's that would come with the magazines. The bands all had the same dour look, the same satantic font on their name, and some really ugly looking guitars.
Cannibal Corpse?....... well, yes... the guitar chords were cannibalized from old Black Sabbath records... and yes, it DID sound like a corpse reactivated and croaking out a verse and a half.
But I bet if you played it backward, the poor devil was singing "Shoot me now!"
There is only a stigma, because it turned to crap YEARS ago.... maybe the moment when Kiss went disco with "I was made for loving you baby!"
The only light I've seen in the tunnel is one decent album by Opeth. Unfortunately, they too, have a dead singer doing sessions.... talk about the grateful dead? | |
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Posted: 10/15/2006 12:31:46 AM | Heavy metal was probably my first love in music. I devoured it up on a regular basis, just about anything I could get my hands on. But then a point came where the music was getting heavier, thrashier, and even darker lyrically (I didn't want to get into the death metal), or it was getting more entrenched in the poodle hair pop metal, and the lyrics were getting dumb. Either is was aimed for top 40, or it was aimed to those that were truly "alternative". I switched gears, and went on listening to other stuff.
But, in the past couple years, I've been finding myself listening to more metal. The old stuff I listened to (Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Motorhead), and stumbing on newer stuff that takes all the good stuff from the classic metal bands and makes it into something new and fresh (Tool is an incredibly talented band). A friend of mine at work turned me onto some of the newer "instru-metal" bands (such as Pelican, Don Cabillero, and Isis), and there is a lot there to listen to.
Long live metal. Although there are stigmas and stereotypes associated with metal, it isn't the only form of music that has it. Just remember, is every person that listens to the Smiths or the Cure (at least the old stuff) a depressed goth moper? | |
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Posted: 10/27/2006 9:04:23 PM | | I personally don't understand people who don't/won't listen to metal , how can they not love it ??! Or at least give it a try ? | |
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Posted: 10/28/2006 4:19:58 PM | WHAT BUGS ME as a lead guitarist --
Once amps began to come with high gain circuitry -- the Kinks/Zeppelin/Them raw sound began to disappear -- and kids began playing powerchords with 16th note ^v strokes - the compression on high/with dist. and...something happened to the natural punch and dynamic in low gain playing.
Well, several months ago, I began working with this low gain Page/Cobain setup --- and it's beautiful, and it sounds miked nothing like guitar recordings out there. Chris Slade (Drum. Ac/Dc, Firm) told me, "Yeah, That sounds like Hendrix " and I was so thrilled to get that compliment from him because he was Angus/Page/Gilmours drummer ! So, I was meeting with him about this project here but he has such a certain kind of attitude. Nevermind,.
Yesterday, I went back and was reading the Cobain 'Journals' I bought a few years ago, where they photographed his Mead school spiral notebooks, scribbles, nutty ramblings...writing like a 15 year old kid and drawing band logos...mentioning he was living in his car, This stuff is inspiriing, not that I was into Cobain, but to go through the photographed scribbles...hundreds of pages of another writer. He wrote, "I heard 'Seasons in the Sun' and cried.
"We had joy we had fun....we had seasons in the sun, but the hills that we climbed were just seasons out of time " (recall that ?). Hey, he liked ELO, and he had severe chronic pain like myself, and that is actually why he commited suicide, which most people don't know. He had a stomach lesion that would not heal and he was starving for years...He writes about it. Very heartbreaking.
I noticed KROQ in LA -- plays only straight bands now -- White Stripes, Jet, Pogues, the low gain sound is it -- and I"m on top of this, it's where this is going...but I write differently and my son is getting really good at writing - makes me feel good. I am exhausted, have to go. | |
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| heavy metal stigmata
Posted: 10/29/2006 11:23:45 AM | I have played all and listened to all. I tell you one thing, once you go metal you don’t go back. The only other style of music I cant put down is classical. Most people don’t understand the connection between metal and classical styles of music. Most metal I listen to that I just can get enough of is very classical based. I think this is why its so addicting. If you have not, try listening to ..
dragon force
helloween
Blind Gaurdian
Rhapsody
sonata artica
synphony x
Stratovarius
children of bodom
Synergy
nightwish
to mention a few. Simply mind stimulating. | |
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Posted: 10/31/2006 9:11:56 AM | The metal now adays is a little more extreme than what it used to be in the 80's or the 70's. People dont like the aggression that is being brought by many commercial bands such as Lamb of God. Its the commercial bands that make it harder for bands like Blind Guardian to really break through to the masses. A person who doest listen to metal and doesnt know Blind Guardian is a different style the Lamb of God wont know, so they will persume that its the same style because they're both classified as metal. In turn they wont want to listen to anything that is included in metal. Now vise-versa, if a non metal head listens to a metal song that's really good, melodic and not over the top aggressive, he might be interested in listening to other metal bands. Though if he comes across a band like Lamb of God, he might again be turned away.
The problem is that record company's are force feeding people what they should be listening to, and though there are some metal bands (or as its called now new wave of american heavy metal - which by the way is pretty lame) that are commercial, some bands are just too agressive than others. | |
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Posted: 10/31/2006 9:23:30 AM | The problem is that record company's are force feeding people what they should be listening to, and though there are some metal bands (or as its called now new wave of american heavy metal - which by the way is pretty lame) that are commercial, some bands are just too agressive than others.
Wow, impressive post, can’t say I disagree. Especialy the quote above. You’re so right. I have never heard “lamb of god”, but I know what your getting at.
What you say is very true, I hate it when someone approches me that knows I like metal and asks if I like Mudvain, Korn, or Stained. After my weird look, they continue with but I’m more in to Metalica, Megadeth, and Rob Zombie. I so feel like smacking them..
You always know a band is not truly metal if they call them selves metal. So, What metal? Black, power, death, progressive, ..? The type of metal really dictates what they stand for, And play like. The music is an accent to the lyrics, if you don’t understand the words how can you appreciate the music?Like classical music, the music makes you feel what the write intended, it’s not just a bunch of noise.
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