| Tiger Woods - Overhyped?
Posted: 8/20/2006 11:56:28 AM | Ok, there is no doubt that Tiger Woods is one of the greatest golfers of all time. Maybe THE greatest by the time his career is over. But, does anybody else, other than me, think he is way overexposed by the media?
Whenever I watch golf on TV, including this weekends PGA championship, all the announcers seem to do is talk about 'how great Tiger Woods is' and 'Can anybody beat Tiger?'. Often times he's not even leading at the moment! At one point yesterday, one of the other golfers (I can't remember who it was) made a great shot onto the green. The announcer said "What a great shot, the only other person who might be able to do that is Tiger." Give me a break!
I even did a test yesterday. For two hours, I counted the number of times Tiger Woods was shown on TV verses Davis Love III. These two guys were tied and matched each other shot for shot during most of my experiment. In the two-hour span, Davis Love III was shown 12 times. Tiger Woods... 27! And that doesn't even count the number of times they showed tiger practicing on the driving range before he even teed off!
Does anybody else think Tiger is over exposed? | |
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| Tiger Woods - Overhyped?
Posted: 8/20/2006 12:09:54 PM |
But, does anybody else, other than me, think he is way overexposed by the media?
Much like Bonds? Yes, but they are fun to watch. | |
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| Tiger Woods - Overhyped?
Posted: 8/20/2006 1:14:56 PM | Sure he is overexposed. But at the same time, he usually makes 3 or 4 spectacular shots each round. No one wants to miss those shots. How mad would the fans be had they missed Tiger's up and down lip hanging shot at last years Master because they were showing Love III teeing off on 18.
That said, it is nice to see a good amount of Luke Donald and Mike Weir today. | |
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| Tiger Woods - Overhyped?
Posted: 8/20/2006 2:08:32 PM | | Overhyped? You can't overhype the best there is. He will win his 12th major today, putting him alone in second career majors and he's only 30 frikkin years old! As for his overexposure, sorry, but the cameras follow what pays the bills and the interest in the PGA, and golf in general, is at an all-time high for one reason only - Tiger Woods. | |
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| Tiger Woods - Overhyped?
Posted: 8/21/2006 7:36:12 AM | OVERHYPED? Tiger woods is going to be the best of all time. so how can you be overhyped that is just wrong to say that. even players in the pga say he is in a class of his own. | |
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| Tiger Woods - Overhyped?
Posted: 8/21/2006 8:05:55 AM | "You can't possibly overhype the best player in the world"
Exactly! If the guy did'nt keep winning and winning and winning, there would be no over-hype. There would'nt even be any hype at all!
Alot of people are watching golf these days just to see what Woods does. and the media knows it. | |
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| Tiger Woods - Overhyped?
Posted: 8/21/2006 4:42:06 PM | You're asking two separate questions; "Is Woods over-hyped?" and "Is Woods over-exposed?"
Over-exposed; possibly. But, considering some of the amazing shots he makes, it's understandable that people would want to see as much of his play as possible.
Over-hyped? No. As others have pointed out, he IS the best and, more often than not, he delivers, so any "hype" is well-deserved.
On the other hand, someone like Eric Lindross or Anna Pornokova (or whatever her name is) could be said to be over-hyped, as they never lived up to expectations. | |
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| Tiger Woods - Overhyped?
Posted: 8/22/2006 12:46:40 AM | Umm, let's see....
He has won 51 PGA tournaments, including 12 majors, as well as 19 other tournaments worldwide.
He holds or shares the lowest single round score for all four majors.
He is undefeated in the majors when holding or sharing the lead going into the final round.
He is the first person since 1930 to hold all four major titles at once.
He is currently 1st or 2nd on 13 of the 21 major statistical categories in the PGA
He has earned over $62 million dollars in career tournament earnings.
He uses an 8-iron on a 200 yard par three - and sticks it to within six feet.
He single-handedly made golf cool to a generation of skateboarders.
He can bench press over 300 pounds (remember, he's a golfer!).
He swings his driver 151 m.p.h.
He can do that really cool "bounce the ball off the face of a wedge and then hit it in mid-air almost 200 yards" trick.
He can actually make a Buick look sort of hip.
He's only 30 - and is supposedly just entering a PGA player's prime.
I think you could make the argument that he doesn't get enough hype.  | |
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| Tiger Woods - Overhyped?
Posted: 8/22/2006 6:29:56 PM | ^^^^^^^AMEN
He's only on the list with golfs greatest. Jack is great. | |
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| Tiger Woods - Overhyped?
Posted: 8/22/2006 6:42:09 PM | | Only on the list? ONLY??? If Woods only makes a list then he is BY FAR the only golfer on the PGA circuit today who makes that list. Jack Nicklaus is the only golfer you could make a reasonable argument for, in regards to being better than Tiger. So if it's a list of two you are talking about, I'm in full agreement. | |
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| Tiger Woods - Overhyped?
Posted: 8/24/2006 10:05:51 PM | | Golf is such a game of respect, and great shots. Tiger makes great shots greater, and gave the world the desire to hit the course with their friends. He inspires a lot of people, I think his personality deserves exposure, he's remarkably cool. He'll stay the best for a long time. | |
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| Tiger Woods - Overhyped?
Posted: 8/25/2006 1:02:59 AM | | Over exposed? Yes, most definitly. Over hyped? Not a chance. "Over hyped" is the Indianapolis Colts. hehe | |
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| Tiger Woods - Overhyped?
Posted: 8/25/2006 6:54:28 AM | | It's more than a list of two, island. Hogan, Snead, Nelson, Jones, Player, Palmer.....Tiger has the distinct advantage of being in the technology age. Some of those guys were beating the ball around w/ clubs w/ wodden shafts. And when the driver head is the size of a toaster oven, like it is today, it's a little easier to find the sweet spot. Purely fantasy but I would love to see Tiger play Jack and Hogan and Snead(in their primes) and have to use the clubs they used. No doubt he is a talent but he does not stand alone by any reckoning. Your contention regarding today's players is noteworthy. Where are the rivals for Tiger? Hogan and Snead and Nelson battled one another. Palmer had Snead and Nicklaus. Nicklaus had Trevino, Watson, Johhny Miller, Gary Player. What does Tiger have? No one is close to his level today except Mickleson and he's such a head case you never know what he'll do. Vijay..no, Retief?...hardly, Els?...scared of Tiger. Tiger is great but is just on the all-time list...not alone on it. | |
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| Tiger Woods - Overhyped?
Posted: 8/25/2006 9:20:28 AM | Yes Cav, there's no denying that the technology has changed...but it has changed for everyone!
This discussion is not about how much further Tiger hits the ball than his predecessors, or how much lower his scores are, but how he dominates the sport like never before. Unlike baseball, hockey or football, where debates are endless about which era is the best, and whether Gretzky was as good as Howe, golf is easier to compare eras because it's all about winning.
Tiger does not have any advantage over his opponents and yet he is winning at a rate that no one has ever done before, not Jack, not Arnie, not Sam, and certainly not Gary.
30 years old and already considered an all-time great, if not the all-time greatest. If this is even a debate right now, it certainly won't be in 5 years. Let's not forget that he has not even entered his prime. Nicklaus, who IMO is the only one comparable to Tiger, had 38 of his 73 wins in his first 9 years. Even the great Ben Hogan, who had 64 career wins only had nine in his first nine years. Tiger has already had 71 wins (51 PGA, 20 others).
Plus, the competition is tougher today than it was 40 years ago by virtue of sheer numbers and that, whether you are a fan of the 21st century era or the 1960s era, is undeniable.
As for the comment "Tiger is JUST on the all-time list...not alone on it", I will grant you that, but then again, if he were alone on it, it wouldn't be a list, would it. | |
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| Tiger Woods - Overhyped?
Posted: 8/25/2006 10:44:51 AM | "In 1945, while The Masters was postponed, Nelson won 18 tournaments including a record 11 in a row"
Tiger hasn't done this.
"Nelson's record of 113 consecutive cuts made is second only to Tiger Woods' 142. It should be noted that the PGA Tour defines a "cut" as receiving a paycheck, even if an event has no cut per se. In Nelson's era, only the top 20 in a tournament received a check. In reality, Nelson's "113 consecutive cuts made" are representative of his unequalled 113 consecutive top 20 tournament finishes. Woods has only managed 21 consecutive top 20 finishes in his career."
Snead won 82 Tour events and 70 others world wide. He won 17 AFTER he turned 40.
Between the years of 1938 through 1959, Hogan won 63 professional golf tournaments despite his career being interrupted in its prime by World War II and a near-fatal car accident. He is still recognized as thr greatest ball-striker to ever play.
Palmer won a tourney every year from 1955-1970, seven majors, and is generally seen as the pivitol figure in the rise of golf's popularity in the modern TV era. Without Arnie there would have been no Tiger.
And Nicklaus
18 major wins
19 2nd place finishes
56 top 5
73 top 10
73 Tour wins
31 other(international, match play, etc.)
Nicklaus hit just as far relative to the compition in his day as Tiger does now...as did Snead. And none of these guys was a programmed golf robot from the age of 3 like Tiger. He may well be the greatest when he's done and he's certainly the best playing now. I just don't believe the gap between him and the all-time greats is as wide as you seem to think it is. He also doesn't have to deal w/ many things his predcessors did. Private planes to the next tourney is how Tiger travels...not driving 1500 miles himself. Nicklaus had 5 kids by the time he was 33...Tiger zero. Tiger has no distractions, no family obligations, no money worries, better equipment, and better maintained courses.
And i know there are more good players today....but are there as many on the level of a Trevino or Watson? I have seen no evidence of that. I don't see anyone out there now even on the level of a Nick Faldo in his prime. That's why you get guys like Shaun Micheel, Rich Beem, and Ben Curtis winning majors now. More doesn't =better.
Ryder Cup coming soon!
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| Tiger Woods - Overhyped?
Posted: 8/25/2006 2:24:38 PM | "In 1945, while The Masters was postponed, Nelson won 18 tournaments including a record 11 in a row. Tiger hasn't done this."
Interesting to note, however, that Nelson had that streak when he was 33, so, to be fair, Tiger still has three years to challenge that.
David Duval won what, 5 straight tourneys in 1997/98? Tiger hasn't done that either. Does that make Duval a better golfer? Hardly.
Darryl Sittler had an amazing 6 goals and 4 assists in a single NHL hockey game. Gretzky never did that. Who was the better player?
Are you saying that until Tiger holds every single golf record known to man he will not be the greatest?
"Private planes to the next tourney is how Tiger travels...not driving 1500 miles himself. "
You make it sound like Tiger is unique in this area. He is not. That's how most of the top golfers travel now. This does not give Tiger an unfair advantage over the golfers against whom he is competing.
As for the Palmer comparison, that's a no-brainer. Tiger has won at least one tournament in each of his first 11 years and has had AT LEAST 4 WINS in 8 of those years...as well as 12 majors. No comparison.
"Without Arnie there would be no Tiger"...you could say the same about any of his great predecessors.
As for Tiger's competition....how can you say you see no one of Trevino's or Faldo's ilk? Goosen, Mickelson, Els, Singh, Garcia, Furyk, Scott, etc... The list of top-rated golfers is larger today than it's ever been.
In regards to the likes of Beem and Curtis winning majors, there are examples of golfers where everything came together for one week at the perfect time throughout the history of golf. This is not a new phenomenon. | |
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| Tiger Woods - Overhyped?
Posted: 8/25/2006 2:31:48 PM | Back in Michael Jordan's heyday, that's all they talked about was how GREAT Jordan was. And he was.
This is no different. Tiger is a phenom and until someone better comes along, he will get the attention.
And you know what, he flat out deserves it. | |
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| Tiger Woods - Overhyped?
Posted: 9/3/2006 10:08:48 AM | | the media and sports companies picks it's pitchman in every sport....and blows it up from there. Tiger Woods has been consistant for the most part, and is a likeable character. It makes it easy for the big business to sell... | |
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| Tiger Woods - Overhyped?
Posted: 9/3/2006 5:43:12 PM | Overhyped no way
Golf is main stream because of Tiger Wood. by no strech of the imagination should we think otherwise.. Tiger has changed golf, made it at least 10 times better.. Hes made it watchable for the masses. He is what the people want to see. No tiger No interest.. I watch a 3 minute sports cap on a PGA tournament on sports desk and for 2:45 seconds they cover what Tiger woods did. thats why the pga president is always calling him on the phone begging him to show up to pga tournaments when he doen't want to go. He is the Golf god..... period | |
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| Tiger Woods - Overhyped?
Posted: 9/4/2006 4:58:30 PM | | I don't think overhyped is correct, he is the best player going right now. I honestly think it is annoying when someone other than Tiger wins a tourney (believe it or not it happens) that he still gets all the attention. It's gotten to the point where others don't win.....it's Tiger Loses. | |
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| Tiger Woods - Overhyped?
Posted: 9/4/2006 10:26:16 PM | | I don't care how good he is. It is still golf and it is still boring. I would rather watch a baseball game featuring a pitchers duel than watch golf. Yes, he is overexposed and overhyped. | |
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