| Do you know a woman who falsely accused a man of harassment and got them fired? Jailed?
Posted: 8/20/2006 2:23:35 PM | This is something I utterly despise in some women. What kind of sick person would do this to another? Why??
A lawyer told me that women know they can do this - and if they got ascrew lose they will do it to some poor fella.
A company will fire the guy because if the woman goes off of work because of "stress" she can sue them for millions of dollars and expect to win. Disgusting. | |
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| Do you know a woman who falsely accused a man of harassment and got them fired? Jailed?
Posted: 8/20/2006 2:33:49 PM | I once had an acquaintance who made the mistake of dating a female under the age of 18. He dumped her, she got pissed off, then her mother charged him with (and had him convicted of) statuatory rape. He went to jail for a couple months and now has the permanant label of "sex offender."
So yes, I completely agree that there are some things women are capable of that are just plain wrong.
Maria XOXO | |
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| Do you know a woman who falsely accused a man of harassment and got them fired? Jailed?
Posted: 8/20/2006 2:59:08 PM | DevilsAdvocate
according to the library of parliment....Canada's legal age of consent to sex is 14!
so not really sure how your friend's ex & her mother had the guy convicted. he could & should appeal the decision & get compensated for his time in jail.
OP: I personally have never known any woman to take vengence this way. although... I'm sure some of them have thought about it. | |
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| Do you know a woman who falsely accused a man of harassment and got them fired? Jailed?
Posted: 8/20/2006 3:05:26 PM |
DevilsAdvocate
according to the library of parliment....Canada's legal age of consent to sex is 14!
so not really sure how your friend's ex & her mother had the guy convicted. he could & should appeal the decision & get compensated for his time in jail.
She was 15 (while he was 18) and it was almost four years ago. At that time, the age of legal consent was 16.
He has since tried to get the label of "Sex Offender" off his record (since the age of consent went down to 14), but since she was 15 at the time of the "incident" and at that time the law said 16, he was unable to get it changed.
Maria XOXO | |
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| Do you know a woman who falsely accused a man of harassment and got them fired? Jailed?
Posted: 8/21/2006 2:16:51 PM | If they both work for the same company.
If a woman makes a complaint that is real or false and the company does not deal with it harshly ie: fire the poor fella; the woman could go off work, sue the company for not adequately protecting her rights, safety, or whatever and get a huge payday.
The laws have gone too far the other way, now. If you are a man in the workplace in a climate of " zero tolerance " and accused of this - you are out of a job. A company would rather fire an innocent person than pay a huge sum of cash to a whacko woman. | |
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| Do you know a woman who falsely accused a man of harassment and got them fired? Jailed?
Posted: 8/21/2006 2:19:24 PM | I've heard rumors of such a thing, but they sound more and more like urban legends.
Maybe you're hearing the guy's side of it. "She was just jealous and made up the whole thing!"
I think very, very few women would go through the hassle and embarrassment (and the ostracization from other co-workers) that taking action like this entails. Same goes for the supposed "false rape" accusations. A very minor (and psychotic) few may try this but it is extremely difficult to prove. | |
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| Do you know a woman who falsely accused a man of harassment and got them fired? Jailed?
Posted: 8/21/2006 2:40:10 PM | Precisely! It cannot be proven, it is a he said, she said. In situations like that companies just fire the guy. The truth is - companies don't give a damn about the truth - they just want the issue to go away any way they can and that's a fact! I know this, I used to work in HR in a large corporation.
There will be no ostracization of the woman because most people will never find out about it. In my old company this is what would happen to the accused person: a) they are brought into a room and told that an accusation has been made about them.
b) the accused person is not told who accused them, what they are accused of doing( grabbing breast as passing by for example) they are only asked to give a statement of their side of the issue!
c) the person has no hope in hell of defending themselves when they can't rebut any of the accusations because they don't know what they are! It is this way to protect the privacy of the complainant but screws the accused person.
You're all learning something today, aren't you? | |
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| Do you know a woman who falsely accused a man of harassment and got them fired? Jailed?
Posted: 8/21/2006 2:47:47 PM | Yeah, this actually happens more than you'd think.
I know of five women in my company who have gotten men fired without cause.
One has been fired herself recently, after bragging to her friend at lunch about how she "got the jerk fired because he wouldn't go out with [her]".
Apparently someone in management was standing nearby and overheard.
They gave the guy his job back, but he's been asked to keep quiet about the whole thing, in exchange for a substantial raise.
Cause the company doesn't want the bad PR.
It's pathetic that people can get away with such things.
I'm all for fairness in the workplace... but how is this fair? | |
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| Do you know a woman who falsely accused a man of harassment and got them fired? Jailed?
Posted: 8/21/2006 5:23:38 PM | One woman tried to do that to me years ago. Luckily the director of HR knew both of us. Created a huge problem but I survived.
That's why I recommend people never date people in the same company. I would be careful how friendly I was with them. And that is especially true when your in management. Even when it's another division.
Companies should investigate all sexual harassment cases. Unfortunatly, in most cases the man has to prove his innocents.
A company needs to protect itself but can go too far. | |
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| Do you know a woman who falsely accused a man of harassment and got them fired? Jailed?
Posted: 8/21/2006 8:30:11 PM | rainbowfishh
I disagree.
In my case we barely wert out. We got together with a group from work. I gave her a ride home. I did the same thing a couple of times. She wanted more and I said I couldn't date anyone from work. She got angry because she felt I led her on by agreeing to give her a ride home. There was nothing more. I didn't go in her apartment and nothing happened.
The only reason I did't get in more trouble was because the director of HR (a woman) was at these couple of after work things.
If the director of HR wasn't there I would have been asked to give my resignation.
They wouldn't ask any of the men what the evening was like, they only wanted to talk to any other woman, of which the Director of HR was the only one. (there were only 6 of us that went out)
The interprtation of the law is different for men than woman (straight from a judge's mouth). | |
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Posted: 8/21/2006 10:36:17 PM | | Our office hired a young lady who had numerous internal issues every thing from being late to being an absolute embarrassment for the company at a function. When my manager gave her a warning she turned around and threatened sexual harrassment on him. She then took an indefinite sick leave with no warning and no date of return. Of course our company is a large company and follows the rules to the tee. Which this master manipulator has done because here position has to stay open for her and she can not get fired. The company started to really look deeper into her work history and found that she is a habitual sick leave worker. Basically each job she's had she beat the termination by going on sick leaves. | |
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| I can write a book on this topic.
Posted: 8/22/2006 5:13:56 AM | I've been going thru this since last Christmas when after my EX who had sucked her way into a management position decided to intentionally stop her portion of a vry large co-loan that we had without telling me. It obviously destroyed my credit and when I threatened her with legal action she put on a show and dance and lots of tears and said that I beat the shit out of her. I was fired immediately even though I had made several complaints about her threats to have me fired for the previous 2 years. (found out she was fukking a boss) Of course nothing was ever done about it yet it escalated to where I took 3 months of stress leave because she was affecting my performance at work, when i came back to a different shift my employer showed it's concerns by moving her (now in management) to my shift where it started all over again until it led up the loan incident.
The company starved me out for 6 weeks before they offered to give me a lay-off so i could get EI. They offered me a $1000.00 to drop my grievance and to sign papers saying I will never sue them. I had no choice but to sign as I had rent due in a few days.
So far I have lost everything but my mind. Her non-payments destroyed my credit, the company starved me out so I missed more payments and eventually declared bankruptcy and have spent thousands in lawyer fees and have been to court {b]9 times asking for the video evidence (there were cameras everywhere at work) saying that I beat her like she says. I have a trial coming up shortly and if I win (she can't keep her story straight ) which I think I will I will for sure counter sue and the company as well since they did everything illegal to starve me into signing their papers which resulted in further hardship.
I have a few good female friends and they all know of atleast 2 or 3 woman who have done similar things to EX's or just guys in general at work and it works for them almost every time.
Now I won't really even talk to a woman at work (someone finally gave me a job) unless there are others present, and dating someone from work will never happen again and I couldn't give a shit how good looking she is or whatever.
Woman can be 100X's more vindictive than men and they can and do immediately get away with it.
For the record I was atleast 1 of 4 guys she was with from work....Blonde ambition??? | |
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| Do you know a woman who falsely accused a man of harassment and got them fired? Jailed?
Posted: 8/22/2006 5:45:41 AM | I hate to say this, but the thing about a "vengeful woman" seems to be true in many cases in this day and age.
I am a person who tries to see the best in people, but I don't think I will ever understand why people hurt each other vindictively. I am curious to know at what point they decided it was ok to harm another human being for their own selfish pleasures/satisfaction.
On the side of the Devil's Advocate (and the "something" in me that wants to understand these people and why they do the things they do), I have to wonder what sort of internal agony these people must be suffering that developed thier personalities into such that they perpetuate this evil upon others.
And the action is evil. There is no other word for it. It is evil.
Wendy | |
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| Do you know a woman who falsely accused a man of harassment and got them fired? Jailed?
Posted: 8/22/2006 7:09:59 AM | You can't dismiss without cause.
I'm an HR major, I know that well. A woman arbitrarily saying it will destroy your reputation, there's nothing that can be done about this. However, the company can't fire you unless they can prove it, so if you're cautious they can't fire you.
In fact, if the company tries to pressure you, immediately hire an attorney and sue the company for slander. Use character witnesses on your side (provided you are a generally good person), which while this allows the plaintiff/crown (depending on circumstances) to use them as well, will work to your favor. Civil law is the balance of probabilities, not proof beyond a reasonable doubt, but this is okay. You still need proof for the claim to hold up.
The law DOES favor women in this, but not to the point where you can't defend yourself at all. I've got mixed feelings on that, but that's a seperate issue.
As to the original question, I've not personally met any women who have done this, but I am also very, very cautious about what I do and do not do. | |
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| Do you know a woman who falsely accused a man of harassment and got them fired? Jailed?
Posted: 8/22/2006 9:42:14 AM | Pyke, I must respectfully tell you that you are incorrect. Companies readily fire people without cause. At my former company it was standard to not even tell the person specific reasons they were terminated. It's incredible!
Cause you say? If a company wants you gone - they will find cause to fire you.
Every month of every year men lose their jobs because of these accusations. It cannot be proved that it happened in many cases but 95 times out of 100 the guy will eventually be sacked because it's all about the corporate bottom line.
Companies do not want to appear soft on harassment so they go freakin' overboard because the only fear they have is being sued by a woman claiming she wasn't protected by the company. It will cost them millions.
The president of my former company told me he never goes in to the public washrooms and will not meet with female employees alone because of this climate in the workplace. It's gone way too far. | |
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| Do you know a woman who falsely accused a man of harassment and got them fired? Jailed?
Posted: 8/22/2006 9:53:48 AM |
Pyke, I must respectfully tell you that you are incorrect. Companies readily fire people without cause. They will often not even tell the person specific reasons they were terminated.
It's against the Law. It violates your civil rights within Canada. You must give reasonable notice of termination as well as have just cause. Feel free to read about it here: http://www.grosman.com/freelegalinfo/index.htm
If you are dismissed without warning or cause, retain an attorney and sue. You will win.
Every month of every year men lose their jobs because of these accusations. It cannot be proved that it happened in many cases but 95 times out of 100 the guy will eventually be sacked because it's all about the corporate bottom line.
If you're ignorant, yes. If you know your rights or are in a field where you're likely to take them to litigation, no. HR and Law Professionals know their rights and aren't afraid to voice them.
Companies do not want to appear soft on harassment so they go freakin' overboard because the only fear they have is being sued by a woman claiming she wasn't protected by the company. It will cost them millions.
Yes, which will be followed immediately by my wrongful dismissal suit. During which, if the company makes the mistake of bringing up her allegations, I will immediately file a second defamation of character suit. I guarantee you the company will lose just as much.
The president of my former company told me he never goes in to the public washrooms and will not meet with female employees alone because of this climate in the workplace. It's gone way too far.
He's avoiding risk. There's a difference between avoiding risk and something being legal. My father never drove a female babysitter home without one of the children in the car. Why? Protection against accusations of the same sort your former president was worried about. That's common sense.
-Pyke | |
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| Do you know a woman who falsely accused a man of harassment and got them fired? Jailed?
Posted: 8/22/2006 1:20:16 PM | Pyke, a guy has very little chance of winning. If the woman who accused you gets her friends to back her up - you're dead in the water. Nothing can be proved. He says - She says.
Is it illegal for a company to not tell you in specifics what your termination is for? My ex company tells them very little. They would say harassment but not any specific allegations of "you touched her breasts" for example. Or you followed her home, or whatever.
Is a company legally obligated to tell an accused specifics of what they are accused of? For example, " she says you patted her ass when walking past her." ?? | |
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| Do you know a woman who falsely accused a man of harassment and got them fired? Jailed?
Posted: 8/22/2006 6:08:05 PM | I used to work with a very unpleasant girl. She would pepper her speech with profanity constantly, even around the older women and men, leave if she wasn't assigned a job she wanted, walk around and talk and scrap her parts......the company was trying to get rid of her and asked us senior associates to write down her long breaks etc... so they could document enough incidents to fire her.
One weekend I was working we were understaffed due to people not showing up for work. She was doing her usual thing, walking around and talking. The press had left and right parts that had to be packed and stored in equal amounts in shipping. Since she was scrapping her parts, her partner had to scrap his as well. He had finally had enough and asked her to remain at her press and work. She told him he wasn't a supervisor. He replied he could have one over there pretty quickly.....she then told him when the supervisor arrived she would claim he sexually harassed her.
He came to me very upset, afraid he would lose his job over this non event. So I went into human resources and told them what happened and gave them a head's up in case she went in or called. She ended up being fired, over that incident and so many others.....but I couldn't believe she had the nerve to lie like that... | |
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| Do you know a woman who falsely accused a man of harassment and got them fired? Jailed?
Posted: 8/22/2006 6:16:00 PM | One weekend I was working we were understaffed due to people not showing up for work. She was doing her usual thing, walking around and talking. The press had left and right parts that had to be packed and stored in equal amounts in shipping. Since she was scrapping her parts, her partner had to scrap his as well. He had finally had enough and asked her to remain at her press and work. She told him he wasn't a supervisor. He replied he could have one over there pretty quickly.....she then told him when the supervisor arrived she would claim he sexually harassed her.
He came to me very upset, afraid he would lose his job over this non event. So I went into human resources and told them what happened and gave them a head's up in case she went in or called. She ended up being fired, over that incident and so many others.....but I couldn't believe she had the nerve to lie like that...
AND THATS HOW IT SHOULD BE....SHE ( the "lady" in this case) should have their asses fired for sh!t like that.
I have NO tolerance for this sort of stuff, and seeing innocent people being screwed like this.
What is this, a Fu**en tyrranny????
I can say LOTS about how I feel about this, but I won't go into detail now.
Bottom line this is NOT right and is a SLAP IN THE FACE OF HUMAN DIGNITY.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Soon you will have guys that wil be afraid to even work around women because they fear that something like this wil happen, shit WTF , our societies are going the the toilet with this stuff going on. | |
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| Do you know a woman who falsely accused a man of harassment and got them fired? Jailed?
Posted: 8/22/2006 6:23:37 PM | Soon you will have guys that wil be afraid to even work around women because they fear that something like this wil happen
you could say i'm at that stage right now. I won't let one skank ruin the rest of my working life but i am very cautious of any woman I will ever work with again.
and Pyke, in theory you are right in most of what you said, but you are also very young and quite honestly don't have a clue on how the real world works. it costs lots of money to hire good lawyers and people that get fired don't have lots of money. | |
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