| What does Jesus Christ recommend concerning our sexual conduct?
Posted: 9/5/2006 10:10:03 AM | What does Jesus Christ recommend concerning our sexual conduct?
I would love know of other passages from the Bible or other Gospel writings (like the Gospel of Thomas, Judas, etc. Also because I'm a big believer in a real and personal relationship with Jesus Christ, I welcome any personal experience of Jesus Christ sharing His thoughts with you concerning Jesus Christ's guidelines for our sexual lives.
This is the only verse I know of where the Bible implies a quote of Jesus Christ concerning how we are to conduct ourselves in the sexual arena of our lives.
Matthew 19:12 (KJV)
12For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
I hope you will be respectful of the fact that all who read this are not interested in hearing details which are considered only appropriate for adults. PLEASE KEEP YOUR RESPONSES AS "G RATED" AS POSSIBLE (unless you are quoting from the Bible or other scriptures considered to be quotes of Jesus Christ). | |
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| What does Jesus Christ recommend concerning our sexual conduct?
Posted: 9/5/2006 11:28:55 AM | Why would you want quotes from the Gospel of Thomas or Judas when they have been rejected as being heretic?!
As for Jesus' thoughts on sex, basically unless you are married, don't think about it. This includes porn, etc. Anything sexual which is not under the covenant of marriage is bad.
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| What does Jesus Christ recommend concerning our sexual conduct?
Posted: 9/5/2006 5:29:20 PM | agree with jack ^............it probably would have been easy for the early church hierarchy to 'doctor' the scriptures and insert a statement which forbids sex outside the marriage....this is probably because it was commonly understood that such behavior was a sin....read 1st corinthians 7;1-7.........as you see here, the same problems existed then as it does now!...that is; the men couldn't keep it "in their pants"........so marriage was encouraged, lest for those who had supreme self control..........also, read 6;12-17, same book!.........but this is Paul speaking who has a backdrop of Jewish culture within him
the matter of sexual relations was a bit different then.......women were bethrothed at an early age.......men were allowed to have multiple wives..........with no tight restrictions on age limits.....the obvious example was Joseph & Mary(who was in her early-mid teens).......JC never directly adressed this in the scriptures that exist......i don't know why the OP'er has referenced the gnostic gospels since (to my knowledge) they do not offer any discrepancies from the NT gospels. | |
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| What does Jesus Christ recommend concerning our sexual conduct?
Posted: 9/6/2006 7:39:11 PM | John, you got into some freaky details there!!! 
I hope these verses help..
Matthew 5:27 "You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' [28] But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
1 Thessalonians 4:3-5 It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; 4that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, 5 not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God;
Hebrews 13:4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. | |
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| What does Jesus Christ recommend concerning our sexual conduct?
Posted: 9/6/2006 11:51:06 PM | John: You are SERIOUSLY misguided..and oh..nice language for a Christian to use.I wasn't talking about tying people up or masochism..i was talking about pleasuring oneself.You are lying to yourself if you say on here you don't..AND..lying that the bible says weather or not it's wrong to do..because it DOESN'T and you know it. | |
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| What does Jesus Christ recommend concerning our sexual conduct?
Posted: 9/7/2006 6:09:15 AM | never said i was a christian, ima heathen
Right there is the reason why your reasoning and intepretation of the Bible is alittle out of sink.
There are certain ways and laws of interpretation. It's not like going into a book store and picking up a book off the shelf and reading. The Bible is a Middle Eastern/Semetic/Jewish Book and it must be interpreted withing it's proper historical, cultural, linguistic and geographical contexts.
But the main thing is that you say you are not Christian, no wonder your views on the Bible or out of place in some areas. | |
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| What does Jesus Christ recommend concerning our sexual conduct?
Posted: 9/7/2006 10:13:31 AM | Facts:
-there was no such thing as Dating (in biblical times) as we know it today!
-a man took a wife early in life, usually by brethrothal, not by courtship
-a woman became the property of a man
-a man could take on more than one wife
-a unwed man usually had sex by patronizing whores, or having concubines...not a girlfriend.
-there was no defined 'legal' age for marriage or bethrothal.
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taking all the above into account......the teachings of JC would have encouraged prompt marriage for a man lest he be tempted by sexual immorality as defined above (unless he could overcome his sexual desires)............it would greatly benefit a woman to have been married ASAP, since women were wholly dependant upon their husbands and were virtually POWERLESS on their own!.........being a single woman and "dating" was unheard of since mate selection was done on a completely different level, not to mention that she would be catagorized as a prostitute.
THEREFORE, sexual immorality must be judged on a different scale today than it was in the old times!............we no longer have bethrothals (at least not many)....women are not property, thus are not bartered, and they are not helpless!....women and men now choose for themselves based upon what they feel beneficial in the context of a loving relationship leading to marriage.......that relationship usually includes SEX!.........so in today's context (not that of 2000 years ago!), sexual immorality would usually consist of: multiple sexual partners (done solely for sexual pleasure); sexual deception (cheating); sexual excess (sex being the centerpiece of a relationship rather than the result of it)..........THUS, having sex in a premarital setting, is an anachronism (from today's standpoint), much like taking on a juvenile bride is anachronistic (from biblical times). | |
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| What does Jesus Christ recommend concerning our sexual conduct?
Posted: 9/7/2006 10:49:58 AM | After what ontariogirlmar wrote there is mention of not defiling another man's wife in Ezekiel, there is the sin of King David with Bathsheba, Bathsheba marries David. Solomon's Song. There is the book of Hosea the prophet who took and retained an unfaithful woman. There are three rapes Dinah, Tamar and another. There is 1 Cor 6... Paul says it is better to remain unmarried but still good and pleasing to God if you marry.
Marriage comes out of God's heart. Sort of only partly created. Man in God's image and likeness. Woman was in Adam in God. Masculine and feminine love are in God and are not created. God created man and woman, they attend eachother, Adam and Eve did, they had union and children. The children left the parents a lot, attended to a spouse each and had children and it goes on. If your wife dies, you can remarry. | |
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| What does Jesus Christ recommend concerning our sexual conduct?
Posted: 9/7/2006 11:04:08 AM |
Hey Jibarian..What did Jesus say about Masterbation?And what do you believe?..
First off, it's JARbarian, thanks :)
Secondly, Jesus says to stave off sexual immorality (thoughts, actions, etc.) Some people want to interpret it their own way but as long you keep in mind that sex was intended for married couples, then you know that sex outside the covenant of marriage (any forms of sex or sexual thoughts) is a sin.
Period.
Now, does it mean that I am completely capable of not thinking about it? Nope. I was born a sinner and I will die one. But, I do my best to follow God's will and if and when I do stumble, the first thing I do is beg forgiveness.
I know the difference between right and wrong and struggle with it daily. I am far, far from perfect. | |
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| What does Jesus Christ recommend concerning our sexual conduct?
Posted: 9/7/2006 11:44:51 AM |
THEREFORE, sexual immorality must be judged on a different scale today than it was in the old times!
Are you saying God must judge based on todays standards?
women and men now choose for themselves based upon what they feel beneficial in the context of a loving relationship leading to marriage
Are you referring to being engaged here?
Sex also has an emotional, and spiritual side to it. In my opinion, waiting until marriage is in our best interest. It is difficult in todays society for sure, but I honestly don't feel that changes God's mind on the subject. I agree with Titan that marriage is from the heart of God. It is how the bible describes Christ's relationship with His church.
1 Corinthians 6:15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh."17 But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body. | |
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| What does Jesus Christ recommend concerning our sexual conduct?
Posted: 9/7/2006 12:00:31 PM |
(any forms of sex or sexual thoughts) is a sin.
There was a time when I would have agreed with this belief, for the most part. But now, I question it. Sexual desire does not have an on/off switch. Then it would be easy to avoid sexual sin. You would only turn it on once you got married (if you felt the desire to get married!). What's the solution? Castration in order to avoid sin? That's what the leader of the infamous Heaven's Gate cult did. That is the result of sexual repression dogma taken to the nth degree.
Otherwise, one is left to struggle and feel guilty continuously over a desire that is, in reality, natural and healthy. So, what do I think Jesus says about it?
You reap what you sow-- i.e. you sow seeds, you will probably "reap" children-- be prepared for that
And, of course: do unto others as you would have them do unto you | |
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| What does Jesus Christ recommend concerning our sexual conduct?
Posted: 9/7/2006 2:10:50 PM | @ontariogirl
let me ask you....on what standard did God judge pple back then?.......has it ever been written that a 50 year old man couldn't marry a 14 year old girl?......or that a man couldn't have but more than 1 wife?
well i haven't seen it written!.......and why is that?....simply because back then, older men were indeed marrying young pubescent girls, and men were indeed having way more than 1 wife.
the NEW standard today is that: it is forbidden for an adult to marry a minor (under 18) in the US at least not without parental consent.......having more than 1 wife at a time(bigamy) is not legal.
so yes......man changes his standards!
{-Sex also has an emotional, and spiritual side to it. In my opinion, waiting until marriage is in our best interest. It is difficult in todays society for sure, but I honestly don't feel that changes God's mind on the subject-}
^..........since when did sex acquire a spiritual & emotional side to it?....well, it sure didn't have a spiritual and emotional side to it way back then?.......since most women had little choice as to who their life long mate was gonna be.....they had to perform their wifely duties whether or not the husband was likeable, loving, caring, understanding or NOT!.....marriage then was but a business transaction, marriage of a son or daughter into an influential or large clan was desirable, and worthy of high dowry.........there was no such thing as engagement or dating....you were either bethrothed to whom your parents assigned you to or you were single!!!....and it can't get more mechanical and unemotional as that!
the FACT is: any emotional or spiritual connection that sex now brings has come about by our PRESENT STANDARD....which personally allows us freedom to select or reject someone based on what we deem is good for us, and not by somebody else for ulterior reasons.
as far as the passage you quoted:....a prostitute then was defined as a prostitute nowadays as well....that is: payment for sexual services......so if you are insinuating that every woman who has sex outside of marriage is a prostitute then you are seriously confused!
the decision to wait or not wait until marriage is up to both parties....and is predicated on their own comfort level......to engage in sex prior to marriage in a loving and WILLING relationship does not violate any moral standards considering that back then,...a woman had to have sex with a man whom she either did not love (and certainly did not know) and did not select....prior to marriage.
Now you tell me which is more immoral? | |
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| What does Jesus Christ recommend concerning our sexual conduct?
Posted: 9/7/2006 3:04:38 PM |
as far as the passage you quoted:....a prostitute then was defined as a prostitute nowadays as well....that is: payment for sexual services......so if you are insinuating that every woman who has sex outside of marriage is a prostitute then you are seriously confused!
Actually, I quoted that verse to point out that sex unites you with the other person. So, no I was not insinuating a woman that has sex outside of marriage is a prostitute.
the FACT is: any emotional or spiritual connection that sex now brings has come about by our PRESENT STANDARD....
Since Adam and Eve the bible has stated that when a marriage takes place, the two are united and become one. Genesis 2:24; Matthew 19.4-6; Mark 10.6-8; 1 Corinthians 6.15-17; and Ephesians 5.29-31 I think its pretty ridiculous to state that marriages before the present standards had no emotional or spiritual connection in sex...
I do appreciate the freedom I have to be able to choose my own husband. With that being said, I still see the benefits of saving sex for marriage. | |
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Posted: 9/7/2006 11:52:30 PM | By saying this ONTARIOGIRL..that means God accepts inbreds..since adam and eve and their sons f$%cked each other and so on and on.There's no way around this question..lol you lost before you replyed,thank you have a nice day..next topic LOL
Jarbarian..So why did God make us with sexual desire then say "nope nope nope,you musn't touch yourself and do that" c'mon! yeah right dude...that is just part of being human to need to relieve the stress..i feel sorry for ya if everytime u do you wonder if God is frowning and then you have to plead for forgivness...
John: you are sincerely a strange person..why even bother to quote the Bible if you are a heathen?You contradict yourself..might as well give it up. | |
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| What does Jesus Christ recommend concerning our sexual conduct?
Posted: 9/8/2006 9:47:34 AM | This is the only verse I know of where the Bible implies a quote of Jesus Christ concerning how we are to conduct ourselves in the sexual arena of our lives.
Matthew 19:12 (KJV)
12For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
I hope you will be respectful of the fact that all who read this are not interested in hearing details which are considered only appropriate for adults. PLEASE KEEP YOUR RESPONSES AS "G RATED" AS POSSIBLE (unless you are quoting from the Bible or other scriptures considered to be quotes of Jesus Christ).
I have enjoyed reading your post on this question of Jesus Christ's recommendations for our sexual behavior in today's society.
Please remember that I was asking about Jesus Christ's recommendations.
I know about the others scriptures that recommend all kinds of things like Adam and Eve being joined as one then, most likely, (according to the given information in the story), God had to either create anther woman from a rib or allow their sons to mate with Eve or their sisters in order to continue "mankind".
There are all kinds of interesting directions the Bible takes when it comes to sex, just look up "sex in the Bible" and you will see why the Bible may not be the book of choice for children.
My question here is only concerning Jesus Christ’s recommendations and your heart felt inclinations of His influence only please.
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| What does Jesus Christ recommend concerning our sexual conduct?
Posted: 9/8/2006 10:50:45 AM | Ontariogirlmar, thank you for your response concerning Matthew 5:27-28, I had forgotten about that passage. It this passage Matthew is quoting Jesus Christ as saying "I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
Well what if the person is a woman? The verse says nothing about a woman looking on a woman with lustful thoughts does it, (has already committed adultery with her in "his" heart)?
The verse also says nothing about whether the woman "looked at" can be a man's wife. Considering that the word "adultery" was used interchangeably with fornication, this verse seems to be consistent with making oneself a eunuch like Jesus was quoted to say in . I've seen nothing from Jesus that would encourage marital or any other kind of sex at all.
It seems clear from these passages that Jesus doesn't want us to think of (Matthew 5:28) or have sex ever (Matthew 19:12).
Does anyone know of another passage attributed to Jesus that encourages sex in any form even with marriage? | |
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| What does Jesus Christ recommend concerning our sexual conduct?
Posted: 9/8/2006 12:12:09 PM | at tim
[-God had to either create anther woman from a rib or allow their sons to mate with Eve or their sisters in order to continue "mankind". -]
^.........to my knowledge, there is no passage that showed this ever happened!......in fact, there were other pple besides Adam & EVE & Cain!........this is strongly suggested in Genesis 2;13-16...................Adam & Eve were only the first 'spirit' beings!
after Abel was killed, Adam and Eve had a 3rd son called Seth......this was noted to occur AFTER Cain was banished to the land of Nod (land of nomads), and after Cain "lay with his wife" (gen 2;17)....thus, Cain had progeny before Eve bore a 3rd child!!!...{this is what is in Genesis, not my opinion folks!!!!!}
Therefore, Cain could not have had sex with his sister (there wasn't one), nor does it show he had sex with Eve (this would have been an abomination).....THUS, it stands to reason without a doubt that based on Gen 2;13-16, that there were other 'human(oid) beings' in existance, but who were NOT 'spirit' beings.....it stands to reason that when adam & eve committed 'sin' they were disgraced and were put at the same level as the rest of these beings! | |
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| What does Jesus Christ recommend concerning our sexual conduct?
Posted: 9/8/2006 1:11:36 PM | Very interesting discussion Sum1reel, I'm not sure how on topic it is though at this thread. I was asking here if anyone could enlighten me on what Jesus says about how we should conduct ourselves, as His followers.
By the way what does the word "progeny" mean, I couldn't find it with a search.
As far as the "spirit being" of Adam and Eve thing goes, that sounds like a hard pill to swallow because Eve was formed from Adams rib. Adam most likely had a body in order to have a rib to give to Eve. So perhaps "spirit" is not the word you are looking for since a "spirit being" tends to imply no physical body. | |
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| What does Jesus Christ recommend concerning our sexual conduct?
Posted: 9/8/2006 2:18:14 PM | ^
sorry to veer off topic a bit, but i felt i had to say something on the statement you had made before about adam & eve.
[-As far as the "spirit being" of Adam and Eve thing goes, that sounds like a hard pill to swallow because Eve was formed from Adams rib-]
^......how Eve was formed has nothing to do with it, but maybe i should have been more clear on the matter of 'spirit'.....i meant to say that adam & eve (even though she was of a 'rib'), both were endowed with the conciousness to know God, whereas, the other "humans" in existance did not....in other words they were NOT 'god' conscious, and probably could not be since they did not have it in them (as inferred by the passages in Genesis 2)...much like a cat or a dog isn't god conscious.........in order to be conscious of a God you have to be pre-wired for it otherwise there is NO natural reason for it!!!!......so it is thru this "wiring" that we can sense the spirit of God, and we can then be filled with His spirit (if we so wish)....this is how we as physical beings can have 'spirit'!
progeny means offspring! | |
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| What does Jesus Christ recommend concerning our sexual conduct?
Posted: 9/8/2006 8:22:06 PM | Tim 4925
Read;
Romans 1:18 ( where the questions you are asking starts to be answered)
Woman and men turned away from there natural ways to have sex.....
Romans 1:24
They did vile and degraing thing's to each others bodies. INSTEAD
OF JUST BELIEVING WHAT THEY NEW WAS TRUTH.....
Genesis 39:7-8
A married woman tries to coax the servant into sex....
Proverbs 6:25 7:24-27
Keep in mind in that time, all woman were married as soon as they
were of age. Any woman having sex outside of a marriage was a
prostitute...A comparisson used for a man on his way to have un-
married sex as, an ox led to the butcher..aka on his way to distruction!!
Corinthians 10:13 | |
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| What does Jesus Christ recommend concerning our sexual conduct?
Posted: 9/9/2006 8:50:12 PM | im gonna guess its gonna be throwing fuel on the fire if I bring up the whole Mary Magdalene thing?
Did Jesus have a sexual relationship with her?
Jesus was in fact a human, right?
I wonder if Jesus ever masturbated? If he did, how easy would it be for the writers of the Bible to omit that part...
uh oh...i'm doomed now  | |
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