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 Intercooler

Joined: 2/18/2006
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Beware of Sloganeering
Posted: 9/5/2006 1:02:26 PM
As the elections approach, I encourage everyone not to give in to the simpleton chants and "insta-bytes" that you hear being repeated ad nauseum by political insiders who don't want you to be an informed citizen. Make them explain their positions in detail--it is not enough for Republicans just to chant "cut and run" the same as it is not enough for Democrats to simply chant "change of direction." Don't accept political debate that sounds more like a "Head-On" commercial. The Ann Coulters and Karl Roves of the world would love nothing more than for you to not question anything behind the slogans.

For example, virtually no Democrat that I know of believes in the concept behind the neanderthal "cut and run" sloganeering that was literally invented earlier this year by Karl Rove. It is always more complicated than that. While it's true the Democrats tend to not communicate their positions as well as Republicans, that doesn't equate to not having one, and often, one that makes a lot of sense. One view of what many Democrats advocate sounds a lot like what writer Mark Mellman advocates. Here is what he says:


Why we should begin to leave Iraq
“Stay the course” is not a plan for Iraq — especially because no one can even define the course we are urged to stay. Republican sloganeering covers up a failure built on intellectual quicksand and policy flip-flops.

Today, President Bush is asking the military to perform a task he previously argued was wholly inappropriate. When, in October 2000, he said, “I don’t think our troops ought to be used for what’s called nation-building,” Bush was attacking President Clinton’s successful multilateral efforts in the Balkans, not yet knowing that he would both completely flip-flop and fail where his predecessor succeeded.

Bush’s policy stumbled on those tricky little nuances he so disdains. There are indeed circumstances when using the military to build nations is likely to fail, as with Iraq, while other situations, like those in the Balkans, increase the probability of success.

Unlike the president, Democrats understand that our chances of success in Iraq improve if we begin to remove our forces now but worsen if we maintain the permanent, open-ended commitment endorsed by the GOP.

We should begin redeployment because:

• While U.S. troops can depose brutal dictators, history demonstrates the impossibility of a foreign power’s imposing democracy on warring factions by military means. We did impose democracy on Germany and Japan, but those were relatively homogeneous societies whose total surrender after an exhausting war meant a complete end to fighting. Even still, on a per-capita basis, we stationed more troops in those countries than we do in Iraq.

• Bush and his Republican allies are creating a culture of dependence in Iraq — dependence on American military might. As long as Iraq’s government has the crutch of American troops on which to lean, it will postpone the difficult steps it must take to wrest control of the country’s own destiny. Iraqis themselves understand this growing culture of dependence. Seventy-three percent believe that if U.S. troops left Iraq the level of cooperation between factions in the country would increase.

• The continuing American presence may well be increasing the level of violence rather than contributing to the military defeat of the insurgents. Nearly half of Iraqis (47 percent) actually approve of attacks on U.S. personnel, with almost a quarter strongly approving of violence directed against U.S. troops. Few condone attacks on their own security forces (7 percent) or against civilians (1 percent).

Despite the best intentions of our troops, their presence may do more to incite violence than to quell it. Again Iraqis understand their own circumstances quite well; 61 percent say inter-ethnic violence would decrease if U.S. troops departed.

For these reasons and more, ordinary Iraqis, along with their elected leaders, want us to leave. Frankly, that should be enough to warrant redeployment. Seventy percent of Iraqis want U.S. forces to be gone within 18 months, whereas only 29 percent come close to endorsing the Bush view, saying American forces should only be reduced “as the security situation improves.” Those who suffer most from the absence of security want us to begin to depart because they believe our withdrawal will enhance their own safety.

Iraqi reconstruction would best be handled by multilateral agencies. That is what Iraqis want, and it would be better both for them and for us. But neither the United Nations nor its members will provide significant assistance as long as the U.S. military commitment remains open-ended. We can only begin to entice others to share the burden by providing incontrovertible evidence that we are leaving.

The American military presence in Iraq is retarding rather than advancing the goals of stability and security. Staying the course impedes progress toward completing the mission.


He wrote this back in July. And yet, with the increased war-monger rhetoric put forth by Bu$h today in his staged speech in front of die-hard Bu$h supporters, it's more important than ever to see how Rove and his minions are trying to move the discussion away from the Republicans weakest link (Iraq). They want to recast it using even more fear-mongering and a promise for never-ending war and sacrifice, without even once addressing the actual causes of the problem. This is an attempt to get the people to continue being afraid, so that they will vote for Republicans out of fear vs any sense that they are taking the country in the right direction in any number of important fronts.

Why do you really think all of a sudden you're hearing words like "Nazi," "fascist," and comparisons to the struggles of WWII in speeches and interviews? They figure if they can harken up those dark specters, and make you think there really is some similarities, you will vote for them and their current practices out of fear of the unknown. Don't fall for it. No credible historians will be on board with this tactic, as there are so many staunch differences as to make comparison almost impossible.

Think for yourself. Question what is really going on. Put the pieces together, and most importantly, follow the money. Who is getting rich off what is going on? Who are they connected to? How much have they contributed to those in office and those putting out policy positions?

If you believe this is simply about ridding the world of terrorists, please wake up and smell the coffee. We are CREATING ever more terrorists with each passing day that the US refuses to address the underlying problems of terrorism. Unfortunately, it's just not as simple as "They hate our way of life" no matter how many times Bu$hCo says it is so. It's just not that simple.
 cotter

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Beware of Sloganeering
Posted: 9/5/2006 1:20:50 PM
The problem indeed is the fear-mongering ... scare the people to death and they will vote for the Republicans without even realizing that what is now going on has put Americans at risk the world over.

It's unfortunate that constituents cannot get the chance to have real discussions with the people they are voting on. Even when public debates are scheduled it seems they are all so manipulated. The questions are screened and only the questions that will put the candidate in a good light are really used.

It's all so frustrating. That's why I usually get involved ... call the party headquarters and actually get involved in some way. You learn so much more about the candidates that way. I know not all can do that, but it's a start.

 cougar99

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Beware of Sloganeering
Posted: 9/5/2006 7:49:23 PM
I often wonder what is the course, I really doubt if they even have an idea of what it is, it has become too easy to use fear as a scapegoat.
The comparison to World War Two is also a joke, nothing in common except propaganda which fuels the fear they want instilled in us.

Their platforms are filled with lies and deception, and we have lost control of a system that was meant to serve us, not to scare us.
I just hope that percentage that still ignores the obvious, will see past the smoke screens, and see that we need change.
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