| Situation, need some pagan advice!
Posted: 3/15/2005 7:10:50 AM | | Ok this would be hard for some christians to comprehend so i wanna aim this at new agers mostly. This is a personal topic for me and very hard choice i am having to make currently and i need some advice! Right now there is this girl, she claims to be wiccian and she knows alot but some things about her make me wonder. She makes alot of claims that make me wonder about her and now she wants to meet me(and no she isn't on POF). She practices what they call nocturnal Wicca or she is in with the Dark Gods in history which i stay away from. She says alot of things that make me double take for example she claims she is the reincarnation of a god, now i'm new to wicca but does this even happen? or is she out of her mind.... she also claims that negative magic is ok which i utterly do not agree with nor am i gonna even go there! but she also understands me, and treats me with alot of respect(ie she knows my feelings on her practices and she knows mine and doesn't really care how i do it she likes the fact i don't push anything on her and vice versa) but if you put her religious practices aside, she is a very nice person but every day she says how horrible she has it and i can only think its because of how much negativity she brings into her life with her negative magic practices... i am at a loss of what to do, i don't want to offend her i like her alot and i feel so bad for her but... should i see her... should i go meet her knowing the kinds of practices she does? | |
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| Situation, need some pagan advice!
Posted: 3/15/2005 8:54:50 AM | OooOOOoooOOOoo..
Scary dark goth sorceress.
Sounds like your typical young rebellious powerseeker. F'd up chicks like that are cool. Dont take her too seriously, and if you can deal with the crap have fun. In all seriousness tho, sounds like shes more trouble than she may be worth. | |
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| Situation, need some pagan advice!
Posted: 3/15/2005 9:33:17 AM | ditto social's statement.
she has delusions of grandeur and no, negative magic is not ok, which you already know.
you know the rules hun...power of 3 and yes her life is a reflection of that negativity. How willing are you to have that negative energy brought into your life? How long are you willing to be with her in hopes she may grow out of it?
In my opinion, based on what you have said and what i know of you from your posts....you can do better. | |
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| Situation, need some pagan advice!
Posted: 3/15/2005 11:25:14 AM | Well its good some one thinks highly of me  well i know what your saying and i think alot of it is just talk she wants to impress me and thinks thats how to do it. I haven't made a definate choice but i am begining to feel maybe i shouldn't more so since in my card reading last not focused on the issue it came up as a Tower for the outcome and i take my readings seriously... still i am not sure how to tell her.... i'll have to meditate on the whole thing i guess, thanks for the advice. | |
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| Situation, need some pagan advice!
Posted: 3/15/2005 4:56:56 PM | | IMHO she is looking for attention of any kind, and she is getting it.Maybe your right in saying she is just trying to impress you. Do you really want to mess with the whole negative thing, isn't life hard enough without attracting negative issues into your life. Some people thought Ted Bundy was a nice guy, Somebody thought Charles Manson was a nice guy at some point!! | |
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| Situation, need some pagan advice!
Posted: 3/16/2005 5:22:34 AM | | By the way you worded your question, I think you already know the answer: go with your gut feeling/first reaction. Quite often our subconscience/intuition senses things we see only in hindsight after it's too late. Life is too short to compromise your beliefs. | |
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| Hello, loci - Loki
Posted: 3/17/2005 2:26:07 PM | You will no doubt be drawn towards her, because of the mystery she has about her, that is a common thing for a woman to do, whatever her religion! It is common for a man to go towards her - like spiders in a web, he knows he's going to be killed an eaten by the black widow, but he wants her !! A bit like women going back to violent boyfriends!
THAT IS NOT WHY I AM HERE FOR YOU THOUGH!
I see you call yrself by that name & I wonder did you mean to spell it that way, as the other spelling for the name is 'as above' Loki.
Unless, it is not the same meaning - but you probably know of Balder, Freya etc.,
do you?? | |
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| Situation, need some pagan advice!
Posted: 3/17/2005 5:25:37 PM | Loci.. this advice is way beyond just the pagan's ability to help.. Go check her out, Loci. See how much of this talk is BS and how much is for real. An ex of mine was into this stuff and truth be told, she just outgrew it. Once she found what she was looking for in another human she let alot of that stuff go by the wayside.
Truth is, if your interested, give it a shot. Everyone on here is hiding something, even if it's the fact they can't share the truth in real life, and use the internet as a mask. I think I might fall into that category a smidgen.. I dunno best of luck homes. | |
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| Situation, need some pagan advice!
Posted: 3/18/2005 5:38:33 AM | agree with socal. ooooooooo. sounds like the worst kind of fluffie - the kind who's out to impress everyone with how dark, reckless, and scary they are. rebel without a clue. i have run into quite a few of these. they usually know just enough to impress the ignorant, and have no real understanding of the philosophy behind the old faiths. they are also usually really immature, and not in a good way. she might actually be fun, if she ever grows up and quits trying to impress everyone. do yourself a favor, and do not buy into that kind of bs. tera's right. you seem like you have your head on straight, and you seem like a nice guy. you can do better than a silly little girl.
on a side note - i'm not trying to be mean, but this really bugs me. it's "wiccan", not "wiccian". *compulsive editor* | |
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| Situation, need some pagan advice!
Posted: 3/18/2005 7:02:38 AM | Loci and all else there is no such thing as positive or negative magik, its all in the intentions of the caster.
Second, you reading showed you the Tower. That to me indicates a time of tearing down old ideas to make way for new one. Whether you and this girl spend alot of time together perhaps she has been brought into your life so that you can start to understand that witchcraft or the p-u-z-z-y term wicca is not all about life and living, it is about the cycle of life. Understanding that things must die in order for new life to begin. she celebrates the fall and winter, unlike most people who think that life is the most important thing. | |
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| Situation, need some pagan advice!
Posted: 3/18/2005 8:07:03 AM | the one thing that I am concerned with is that she thinks that negative magick is allright.. anything negative is never allright, if she is truly Wiccan she will know that the law of three will not tolerate negtive magick and it will come back on her threefold, and I have never heard about someone being a re-incarnated god,it is possible that they can invoke the spirit but re-incarnated nope...
just be careful with this one.. | |
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| Situation, need some pagan advice!
Posted: 3/18/2005 8:15:54 AM | | Oh piss, excuse my poor grammer(its my worst subject!) and alot of differant ideas being shot about, i'm still in the process of thinking, and it was more the feel i got from the tower that said to me ill omen, when i flip a card i usually get a mental image of emotion or a feeling and this feeling shouted no to me, also my spirit guide was pretty adament i might not wanna get involved with her, even though i sorta want to so its like being yanked in 10 directions! on a side note i wanna think everyone (pagan and non-pagan) alike for there advice its been a big help. | |
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| Situation, need some pagan advice!
Posted: 3/18/2005 8:38:34 AM | perhaps your spirit was letting you know that you are not ready to understand fully what magik is, I remember being just like you when I first began to dabble in the occult. I soon found that magik can be explosive, powerful, and sometimes destructive; just as many people fear death or anger because they do not understand or they are not ready to understand.
question though was your mental emotion one of fear or aggression, the differance could be huge. | |
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| Situation, need some pagan advice!
Posted: 3/18/2005 8:42:07 AM | | Hmmm it was more of one of disappointment, and fear combined i think, i admit i'm rather lonely person and i was hopeful of meeting some one as most people are, and having that card come up was disappointing to me but the feeling of forebodeing i felt was a bit frightening... so yes i'd say fear, | |
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| Situation, need some pagan advice!
Posted: 3/18/2005 8:54:28 AM | | One thing that you should understand about giving yourself readings, is that your subconscious comes into play, which can skew the reading. Considering your christian upbringing I would question whether that was your own built in fear of hell and d*mnation. Many people that leave the church cling to what they could justify to the christians that they left as good. But when you deal with destructive forces of nature, christians have trouble grasping that and so in the back or your mind you may be wondering if you really are d*mning your soul. | |
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| Situation, need some pagan advice!
Posted: 3/18/2005 9:01:25 AM | | Hmmm its hard to tell when it comes to the subconcious while i conciouslly say i don't believe in hell and i don't i could subconciously believe i am, but as far as my readings go i don't think i've given myself one yet thats been wrong still you could be right, prehaps i'll have my freind mary give me one and see if they are similar, thanks for the advice eccentric and i know some things are hard to let go of especially old habbits(i still have a jabbit of saying jesus christ when i smash my finger alot ^,^... ) but i was never forced to go to church and about age oooo 10 i did stop going and it was never preached to me and so i feel it was never deeply ingrained in my mind. I was permitted to think freely growing up and as such i made the choice i did to follow witchcraft, but i see what your saying and i'll think upon that thanks again for the advice. | |
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| Situation, need some pagan advice!
Posted: 3/19/2005 12:23:39 AM | Wow is this girl somethin. I think I would perform a cleansing for myself after each time I talked to her just to keep my life out of chaos. Is she open to your ideas? You could meet her especially since she knows your view on her practices. Is she open to maybe trying something less negative? You may be able to discuss different approaches or learning since it seems hers isn't working well if her life is not the best currently. You can tell her straight up that you like her but her practices make you uncomfortable and if at some point it feels wrong that would be the reason you would have to walk away. See how she feels about this. Who knows, if she likes you enough she may be willing to discuss or try something different than her current practices. I don't think it would be harmful to meet her and talk with her. If you still have bad vibes or if she isn't willing to listen to you or compromise then walk away. You have lost nothing.
Just a thought. If she is into darker things she may not believe in the 3 fold law of wiccans. Some people just take bits and pieces of different religions and name it wicca or whatever. | |
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| Situation, need some pagan advice!
Posted: 3/19/2005 7:20:54 AM | @pelwar
you are exibiting the typical ignorant response. first don't ever ask anyone to change their belief for you. second, your ingnorance of what you call dark things is obvious. celebrating the dark does not make a person or dangerous. | |
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| Situation, need some pagan advice!
Posted: 3/19/2005 4:58:51 PM | | Hmm i have to agree slightly with eccentric i mean asking her to change her beliefs? i don't think so i mean from her perspective why shouldn't i change mine. Still i think i will go see her and see how things turn out i was leery but nothing would hurt from just a visit. | |
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| Situation, need some pagan advice!
Posted: 3/19/2005 5:38:05 PM | @ eccentric and loci for that matter
Ummm, you misunderstood. I never said change. I said be open to try different things. This doesn't have to be out of her realm of practice. By both her and loci working together they may find a better/neutral ground. What she does on her own is her thing.
as far as ignorance - you have no idea what I understand and what I don't. I used the term "dark" because that is what loci used to start the thread.
I was just giving some options and another way to view it but I see it only got misinterpreted and as so I got bashed just because I gave my opinion.
Thanks. | |
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| Situation, need some pagan advice!
Posted: 3/20/2005 3:28:17 PM | | When I was dabbling in Wicca I read this book and it talked alot about the potion's and spell's and stuff. The number one rule I remember was there was no negitive magic that is just wrong!!! | |
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| Situation, need some pagan advice!
Posted: 3/20/2005 11:45:16 PM | *sigh* there is no such thing as "negative magick", only negative intentions. power is power, it's what you use it for that matters. the energy itsself is neutral.
understand the law of karma, and its applications, but don't understand where the "rule of three" came from. it never made much sense to me that anything would be multiplied in that manner. you can explain linear, and non-multiplied causality by using quantum field theory, but the threefold multiplication doesn't make sense. would be interesting if things actually worked that way, but i've seen no evidence of that. | |
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