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Just thought I would throw this out there for comments. I'm not sure how I would suggest it be changed exactly, but I wonder how many people that do not use drugs assume that anyone answering yes is doing all sorts of drugs, how many of those saying yes are just potheads, and how many of the non-users wouldn't care if it was just pot?
I think it's understood that the question relates to "illegal" or "recreational" drugs ... so I do not think it's too broad of a question. Either you do that kind of stuff or you don't.
I'd want to know if a person is doing that ... because then I would not want anything to do with them.
Seems to me the only ones who think this is too broad a question, are those who smoke pot recreationally. From what I've seen on the forums ('cause this is definitely a redundant post), those who say "Must not do drugs" actually mean "Must NOT do illegal drugs of ANY SORT".
I have put no to that question so that I am able to mail friends and people who may be interested in the meet I am organising, but I have stated in my profile that I do enjoy the odd just to make the fact I smoke a bit of cannabis clear, so maybe if all you do is have a smoke then you can clarify it in your profile as I have done.
I really think this question needs to be modified in the profiles. As a recreational, very-occasional, light pot smoker, I resent being lumped in with the hard core users of more serious substances.
Besides, its not enough a part of who I am that I won't give it up when I'm involved with someone who has issues with it.
Still, I hate lying on my profile just for the priviledge of being able to message someone who views cannabis differently than I do.
If you do drugs (even "very-occasional") you DO drugs...I don't care if it's weed or something else. You may resent being lumped in with hard core users, but you're still a user. You could answer NO, but it better be addressed in the profile for honesty sake. Are you really willing to give it up if the person has an issue with it? If it is that un-important to you, and you do it so seldom--why haven't you stopped already since it is still illegal (this is not the forum for that discussion!).
Are you really willing to give it up if the person has an issue with it? If it is that un-important to you, and you do it so seldom--why haven't you stopped already since it is still illegal
We obviously have very different opinions on this issue.
I haven't stopped because its something that I enjoy very occasionally and I don't feel guilty about it, regardless of the legal issues.
As to giving it up, yes... I just exited a LTR where the other party who worked in the court system had issues with it. It wasn't important enough to me to let it become an issue, so I refrained.
The generations that came after you (mine for example) have a more permissive attitude towards cannabis, even though its not PC. The Canadians (who comprise a huge percentage of this board's membership) also appear to view it differently.
Perhaps we shall see a change in the future as more people in your age group drop out of the dating scene. I hope so.
Reading these responses demonstrates exactly the problem to which I referred...there are too many interpretations of what it means. Some here obviously confuse "drugs" with "narcotics"...narcotics are just one particular type of drug. Marijuana is NOT a narcotic by any scientific definition I have seen, but is lumped into the same group by the limited options provided by POF, and by SOME of the people responding to my original post.
I don't want to argue with those people, because I fully respect everyone's right to their own opinion. But I would say that if you are in that group, you do need to say more than "it IS a drug", because so is caffeine, sugar, and hundreds of other things that you injest every day, so you can't just say it being a drug is sufficient to lump it in with "the hard stuff". Otherwise you are saying all the coffee drinkers are the same thing as crackheads and heroin addicts. If it's because you blindly trust your government to tell you what is what, fine, I disagree but it's your right. But please say that rather than lumping a bunch of things together when they don't fit.
Caffeine & sugar are not illegal (we can debate whether they should be on a different thread). How did you go from drinking coffee, to heroin addicts....egads! To me--legality sets the bar, and I'm not going to get into the whole debate that I've been listening to for over 50 years. Drinking & smoking are already separated out & they're legal (so far)...do you want a separate catagory for every single drug from marijuana to heroin to ecstacy to luuds to crank? Just say yes, and explain your drug of choice & reasons within the profile. If you don't see anything wrong with using it---what's the problem with just saying yes?
Not even if I have a horrible infection that requires it. I can't bear to lie on my profile. I lost a lung because I'm so against druggies. A simple dose of penicillin would have gotten rid of it. When I became depressed, after losing the lung, another doctor offered me some anti-depressents. I told him that he was just as bad as a crack dealer. The whole medical system is about selling these horrible substances!
I had a girl ask me to go for coffee. I tore her a new a$$ for lying on her profile. She's a dirty caffiene user. She had NO selected under "uses drugs".
I've currently contacted over 2400 users in my province with a friendly reminder that you can't say NO to "uses drugs" if you say YES to "smokes cigarettes". After I finish up Alberta, I'll be making my way to the crowd that drinks, but says they don't do drugs. Filthy liars, I tell ya! Then I'm off to Ontario to share my wisdom!
I'm depressed, operating on 1 lung and have a hard time socializing. I have a weakened immune system and can't leave the house without a respirator and a surgical mask. Hey, at least I don't do drugs. Drugs are bad. Don't do drugs.
Countrygal: The problem with saying YES on your profile is that some users think that Drugs - Yes indicates a chronic user or a hard drug user. SOOOOO many people have "must not use drugs" as a requirement on their profile. I doubt the majority of these people care if a person has an occasional toke at a softball game or when camping in the woods. Honesty is punished in this case.
The DYUD question and its brothers are useless as filters because there is so much denial.The "non-smoker" who doesn't buy her own or hides them in the bathroom. Rush Limbaugh said that all drug addicts should be put in prison. Then he got hooked on OxyContin, prison authorities are still waiting. I'm a smoker and I know why.
People who have a drinking proplem are not going to say so here; step one of alcohol treatment or drug rehab is admitting the problem.
What's also useless is distinguishing our vices by their legality. If you have a gambling problem, and your local gub'mint starts licensing casinos, now you're okay?
This debate is moot, really... admin's opinion is the only one that will make any difference in this matter , as he is the only one who affects changes to the site.
In the meantime, stay on topic... the discussion is the validity of the question on profiles , not whether or not drug use is valid in and of itself
I don't see what the problem is here. I think we are all mature enough to understand/accept that Admin's intent with the question "Do you do drugs?" is directed specifically at the list of illegal drugs - alll of them from marijuana to heroin. Not the phrasing - not do you buse drugs, but do you do drugs. Here at least, that specifically refers to recreational drug use ("doing" drugs), not prescription, not caffeine or alcohol. Remember - Admin is in Canada.
Those who say "must not do drugs" on their profile, are not the ones who "don't mind a little recreational marijuana". They really mean MUST NOT DO DRUGS. Those who don't care, won't use that filter. Knowing how the site is setup, such that light users and heavy users are under that same filter, if I didn't care if someone used a bit, I would not have that filter set. And then I would ask the questions, of anyone I was in contact with who said "Yes" on their profile.
I said it before - the only people I hear screaming about this filter, are those who use drugs like marijuana "occasionally". Just accept the fact that if someone sets that filter, they really are a hardline NO DRUGS, and you should find someone else to talk to, who shares your views.
... admin's opinion is the only one that will make any difference in this matter , as he is the only one who affects changes to the site.
Hi Pandy!
I agree! That's the reason this topic and my post are in the site suggestions forum. - in hopes that BigFish would see it and recognize that at least one user thinks the criteria for identifying drug use should be modified.
I think the question is not too far removed from asking someone if they are a criminal. I would have to truthfully answer "yes" to such a question, if you count traffic violations, or the occasional toke off a joint, yet I don't want to be lumped in with rapists, murderers or pedophiles and I don't think anyone with half a brain would lump me in with such scum.
The question itself is just overly broad, while allowing Rx drug addicts or people who outright lie in their answer to skate in under the wire. Answering "I prefer not to say" has the same effect as answering "yes," both in real life and on this web site.
^^^I've tagged your subject line with "SUGGESTION:' so that Admin or anyone can readily use the automated Forum Thread search, by using that keyword, to retrieve all the suggestions that have been put forth in the last year or so.
I would be curious to see how other people think it should be modified. Even I'm going to have to think on that for a bit before posting a suggested replacement question.
The majority of people answer this with a no answer but I don't belief they are all telling the truth and I understand why your answer is no, but lets be honest here. Just because I may smoke pot doesn't mean I'm a drug addict. I don't drink very much and would rather meet a smoker than a drinker. The world would be better place if we had more tokers than drinkers. Don't tell me that it's better not to do either because that is not reality. I say each to there own as long as it's done with responsibility.
...The majority of people answer this with a no answer but I don't belief they are all telling the truth....
My point exactly! Does this not invalidate the entire question when a significant percentage refuses to answer truthfully?
The answer remains elusive. Should the question be reworded to include "hard drugs" only? Once again, we have a problem - who decides what is a hard drug and what is not. As a practical fix, I would love to see it reworded that way so that I didn't feel demonized for the occasional joint. But there will always be those that disagree - generally the same ones that support continued criminalization.
I would love to see some other folks weigh in with a suggestion for rewording!
There is a legal Point at Issue here, what anyone believes is irrelevant.
This Site cannot be a Medium for the Advocation/Promotion of anyone's unlawful Activities, anymore than Theft, Assault or Fraud.
Should such Data be found of anyone's Profile, your Account will become slated for Deletion.
POF does not need a Rap from the Press to be labelled as a Front End/Medium for Lawbreakers/Drug Addicts, hence these Arguments fall on deaf Ears.
It is not illegal to take prescribed Psychiatric Drugs such as Ritalin, but purchased and consumed from the Streets certainly is. All this falls under the Canadian Controlled Drugs and Substances Act
A general Category of Do you do drugs? is as far as it goes, as it does not necessarily suggest/imply Illegalities.
In fact, this Site can be shut down in a Flash should anyone file a complaint that POF is assisting anyone "seeking or obtaining" illegal Drugs because your Profile states you are an illegal Drug User..
The generations that came after you (mine for example) have a more permissive attitude towards cannabis, even though its not PC. The Canadians (who comprise a huge percentage of this board's membership) also appear to view it differently.
Perhaps we shall see a change in the future as more people in your age group drop out of the dating scene.
Then why have they been unsuccessful to have their MLA's/MP's change the Laws for over 40 Years?
Because the Majority want these Laws kept in Place.
Go ahead then, have the Laws changed, then come back and ask for Drug Breakdown Menus in Profiles. Currently, you are barking up the wrong Tree rattling POF's Cage to do so, when that can achieve little more than invite a Truckload of legal Troubles.
Even "Decriminalization" wouldn't change a Thing, as its only a legal Status, it doesn't mean "Its now legal". You would still get charged as before, but if convicted, without a "criminal" rap. If anything, its a great Incentive for the Gov't to create yet another Revenue Cash Cow, as they could increase the Fines instead, leaving the Doper without a Criminal Record, but less Money to buy Drugs. In Fact, this might be an even better Deterant, since the Police Officer wouldn't have to think twice whether he wants all the hassles of gathering Evidence, filing Reports, Court Appearances, etc. He could just confiscate your Dope, nail you with a $ 2,000 Fine and be done with it.
Nevertheless, Websites can still get into "Hot Water" abetting anyone's illegal Drug Habits.
"Decriminalization" would not remove any Item(s) from the Schedueles of the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act. From a legal Standpoint, you cannot charge a Practitioner with 'Criminal Negligence' and only give you a monetary Fine. What applies to him, has to also apply to you, and if it doesn't, you can count on the Supreme Court in due Time to overturn it. And then there are yet other Issues between Canada and the U.S. where 'Decriminalization' would be completely unrealistic from a Law Enforcement Perspective, which would sever extant working Relationships and Ongoing Investigations, never mind the Courts becoming swamped with Appeals.
U.S. Dopers hiding in Canada to evade Prosecutions, U.S. Lawmakers imposing new Tariffs .... what a Mess. The Consequences are almost infathomable, far from being a simple matter of changing a few Words in the Lawbooks.
Why is the drug question so yes or no? When it comes to the drinking question, there is multiple choice. What about questions like, are you married, are you invloved with someone, are you fat, are you sexually active? All these questions can be answered by asking the questions through contact, be it IM, Messaging, E-mail, phone conversation. Do you make lots of money? Are you finacially secure? Do you like mushrooms? These are all questions for conversation in getting to know someone. If you don't like the answer, than it's OK to say thanks but no-thanks. Be mature, don't be offended. If we were all the same...............Boring!!!! Are you obsessed with sports? Are you a gambler? Are you a sex-a- holic? It doesn't end. I prefer to ask and answer these question through a friendly phone chat and don't worry if you don't like my answers, I won't be offended. NEXT...........
Question: Is your response that of a moderator speaking on behalf of BigFish and his board, PoF, or are you speaking strictly on the basis of personal opinion. It would be helpful if you clarified that so I know who/what I am in disagreement with.
As I read your post, you are threatening to delete my account because of my posting. Is that correct?
No one is suggesting that PoF be used as a tool to further illegal activities and I think your post is way off target insofar as responding to what I wrote. Nothing in this entire thread is advocating anything except the possible change of a profile question which some people find to be an issue.
To clarify, my post was limited solely to the issue of the question posed on the profiles. You seem to have taken your response to a whole other level with the discussion of legalites, penalties, holding the board responsible for the opinions of its users, etc..
Its quite a stretch to say that PoF would be found in some way held accountable for furthering illegal activity because some user's opinion regarding operation of the site itself. That's the way I read your post. Tell me if I have it wrong.
Why is the drug question so yes or no? When it comes to the drinking question, there is multiple choice.
The drug question has 4 possible answers on POF: Prefer not to say, No, Socially, and Often. Exactly the same as the drinking question. Seems to me all the people above claiming that they are occasionaly users, and don't want to be lumped in the "hard addicts" should simply say "socially" and be done with it. Sounds like exactly what those people are talking about, is quite clear, and doesn't imply you are a crack-head.
Wow! I just looked at the question again. I never saw "socially" as one of the options and I swear it wasn't there when I filled mine out in August. Have to consider this now! Thanks Kris for pointing that option out!
Ok so sometimes I open my mouth just long enough to change feet, There is multiple choice. I guess I just got caught up in the moment. Can't see the forest for the trees. I stand corrected.
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just to make the fact I smoke a bit of cannabis clear, so maybe if all you do is have a smoke then you can clarify it in your profile as I have done.
Are you obsessed with sports? Are you a gambler? Are you a sex-a- holic? It doesn't end. I prefer to ask and answer these question through a friendly phone chat and don't worry if you don't like my answers, I won't be offended. NEXT...........
