| single mom with wiccan beliefs
Posted: 3/19/2005 3:39:41 PM | i want to incorrportae my kiddo into my religion, im a wiccan. my daughter is 10 months old. problem is her father is into dark magick, and everyone else i know, including my family are christians...its hard for me to figure out what to introduce her too, and what to include her in. i cant very well take her into a midnight circle outside somewhere...do any other wiccans have any advice?
and no i dont want to be saved....ty anyway christians. | |
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| single mom with wiccan beliefs
Posted: 3/19/2005 4:02:01 PM | I woulnt push any religion on her, espcially at that age.
Show by example, but let her path with the Divine develop naturally. | |
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| single mom with wiccan beliefs
Posted: 3/19/2005 4:25:40 PM | | I would push her toward the dark magic.. being so young, she'll be doing vanquishing spells and conjuring the undead long before she hits her sweet 16 birthday :-) | |
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| single mom with wiccan beliefs
Posted: 3/19/2005 4:32:27 PM | | Personally i don't think any child should be introduced to witch craft at such an early age, i think you should let her choose her own path, every book i have ever read says the same thing, at least wait for her to ask about it and show an interest then if she chooses to teach her as you will. | |
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craww
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Joined: 2/16/2005
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| moonlight
Posted: 3/19/2005 7:10:00 PM | how come you cant take her to a moonlight circle outside?
are the people you hang with not responsible enough to accomodate a child?
are they not nice people?
is it adult entertainment?........ gosh, i circle my campfire all the time.
wait, your baby is ten months old, and cant even talk, and you want to incorperate it into your religion, but if you do, you are afraid it won't be good.
so far your beliefs sound pretty scary. | |
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| moonlight
Posted: 3/19/2005 9:32:33 PM | | ummm no, no adult entertainment..lol, rituals require alot of concentraion, and i fly solo, so im not sure exactly how to incorportate her. | |
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| moonlight
Posted: 3/19/2005 9:38:00 PM | | at 10 months old i'd be more inclined to introduce her to winnie the poo... as she grows up, if she shows an interest in becoming wiccan, then introduce her to it slowly. 10 months is just far too young for anything more than what's specifically designed for kids if you ask me. you've got another 17 years and 2 months to shape her ideals... don't rush things. ;) | |
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| moonlight
Posted: 3/19/2005 9:53:52 PM | You know, I think there's a couple of points that really ought to be made, in the interests of my not reading these posts and being able to stop wondering if part of the wiccan belief system includes the requirement that its members have the intelligence of the chalk they use to scrawl their little 'circles'....
First...I get the sense that you're just pulling a few legs in the interest of proving...of christ, I don't know, in the interest of yanking a couple christian chains..."the father is into dark magick"? Oh, that's priceless... Let me be clear here...the father is no more into 'dark magick' (sic) than you are into Wiccan beliefs if you're seriously asking a dating site's religious forums how you can balance the conflicting issues surrounding your spiritual pursuits as it pertains to infant participation in wicca.
Of course, you know that most major book stores have an entire section dedicated to this, right? "Wiccan pseudo-ceremonies, and infant participation when the other parent believes in the magic of the dark arts" is usually how it's labelled. Right next to the "Give me a f*cking break" section and the "When you are so desperate for attention that you'll say ANY f*cking thing" section.
Secondly...let's assume this incredibly important issue is seriously weighing on your mind. You know your child's development at this point includes a sense of when they need to sh!t, eat, and they could care less about circles, squares and Wicca for them is the same as "goo goo" and "gaa gaa". If you're taking any 10 month old child to any religious ceremony and trying to 'incorporate' them into things, you really have to understand that the only person you are doing this for is you. Not the child. You're trying to impress someone, even if it is just you and your own personal idea of what god is.
So, your rituals require concentration huh? I'm guessing this is because the father is busy sending evil 'dark' vibes your way?
Do your little wicca thing, honey chile, get the kid to a babysitter and do that simba-circle-of-life thing to your heart's content. | |
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| moonlight
Posted: 3/19/2005 10:01:18 PM | Craww, there's nothing scary about Wicca...
However, Poetic, I must agree with some of us here that your baby is indeed too young to be introduced to any religion. Give her some time. She's living with you I assume. Well then you're at the benefit of being able to be by her side to teach her to be a good person - not just religiously.
Is her father attempting to rope her into the dark arts now? I mean, did he actually gestured any such intentions or are you just thinking that he will? If he's not living with the baby and he'd never mentioned that he's going to introduced your child to the dark arts, relax dear... Life as a single mum with a 10-months-old is stressful enough on its own - regardless of race, language or religion.
As for the practice of your religion, is there anyway your Circle can help you with information and resources while you practise like a Solitaire witch until you find a reliable person to take care of your baby so that you can participate in rituals again?
Ariel | |
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| moonlight
Posted: 3/19/2005 10:11:05 PM | | Ariel-- Are there practicing Wiccans in Singapore? ...Just curious | |
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| moonlight
Posted: 3/19/2005 10:17:13 PM | i realize she still too young, but as it is an important part of who i am and how i percieve things, i just dont want it to be like a little dark secret. especailly when thats the way it feels now. i think im the only one in the world sometimes.
yes, her father has acctually said things like that. Thats a major reason im not with him. he surrounds himself in choas and negatvie things and they project like crazy...hes very abusive and very...um....nuts....i think thats a good way to put...
wood.....im too polite of a person to say anything on a public forum...ill be e-mailing you personally. anyway ty you for your help. | |
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a_vamp
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Joined: 4/24/2004
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| moonlight
Posted: 3/19/2005 10:27:40 PM | Hi Steve.
No, I'm not a Wiccan. I'm Roman Catholic - by choice. Was born into a family full of Taoists.
Regards,
Ariel | |
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a_vamp
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Joined: 4/24/2004
Msg: 13 | |
| moonlight
Posted: 3/19/2005 10:32:36 PM | Hmm... If you have custody of the baby, I think you should have full say in anything concerning the baby - which childcare she goes to eventually, what classes she attends and WHO is allowed to see the baby and whether its with or without your presence.
I'm not a Wiccan and do not know anything about your country's law. Just wanna give you a pat on the shoulder as it tough being mummy - even if not alone...  | |
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craww
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Joined: 2/16/2005
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| singavamp
Posted: 3/20/2005 8:12:26 AM | vamp,
nothing scary about wicca?... hmmm, i think it depends on how you apply it all.
someone who is asking questions about trying to get a 10 month old baby involved might have some scary interpretations.
here's the whole solution...
go down to the river and find a nice peaceful place...go for a walk and find a little wood, make a campfire, and start grilling the food....as the smoke of the grilling ascends, dance around the campfire with the baby in your arms, singing about love and peace...... next breast feed the baby for a while, and put her down for a rest while you consume the grilled foods.
forget the rituals......... later, as your baby gets older, it will start dancing around the campfire too. | |
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| singavamp
Posted: 3/20/2005 9:38:13 AM | Craww, way to go.
Of course, there's nothing scary about any religion, depending on how you apply it all...
And yes, incorporating a 10 month infant is scary...
Your solution, not only would be a marvellous alternative for the person in question, but in my books, probably a great idea for all of us (breastfeeding excepted, unless that's your thing...) | |
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| single mom with wiccan beliefs
Posted: 3/20/2005 9:47:57 AM | well poetic...I am CHRISTIAN, by choice...I have a best friend who is wiccan...I love her to death, she is a wonderful person, I dont hold her choice of religion against her...She has made the choice not to push her beliefs on her kids to let them chose their own belief system...One of them has already chosen the christian way, and she is only 5yrs old, her oldest who is 9yrs old has not really made a defined choice...Their father is Catholic, but does not practice the faith...Mom attends her church, and practices her wiccan beliefs in her everyday life...
I think at 10 months old this is too soon to expect to be raising a wiccan child...as they grow, I think perhaps letting them experince other religions may be the right way to raise them to be open to tohers and not be judgemental of the other peoples way of life... | |
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| single mom with wiccan beliefs
Posted: 3/20/2005 9:52:16 AM | Also, shes flying solo.
She has no coven to speak of most times. She is just probably lighting candles, dong spells, etc.
That probably isnt anything to hide, but on the same note, I wouldnt be makeing the child have anything to do with the rituals per say. If they take too much of your attention, I suggest working in the astral/mental and doing your work there. Its just as effective. | |
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craww
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Joined: 2/16/2005
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| singacamp
Posted: 3/20/2005 1:24:49 PM | thanks woodrow,
in case you are planning on visiting phoenix soon, let me know......we'll go down to the river and go hiking and stuff...... the water is warm in the summer. | |
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| singacamp
Posted: 3/20/2005 5:20:31 PM | | lol...thanxs for the advice, obviously this thread might have been a bad idea, seems it might be a sore subject, but thanks to those suggestions. | |
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a_vamp
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Joined: 4/24/2004
Msg: 20 | |
| singacamp
Posted: 3/20/2005 6:38:29 PM | Dear Craww,
Hmm... I really don't find there's anything scary about Wicca or Wiccan belief... I'd gone to our library and bookstores to read up any subjects I'm interested in. The internet is another source. Not that I will practise the religion but no harm learning a bit extra eh?
Or perhaps its due to being brought up in a place of colourful culture. I'm quite used to seeing different types of rituals being performed in public - as long as the religion is alloowed by our government. So yeah, nothing scary really...
Ariel | |
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| singacamp
Posted: 3/20/2005 6:38:37 PM | | Not really a sore subject... Like the saying goes, "There's no such thing as a stupid question." I think when it comes to kids, even when they're not your own, people are protective. We hear a lot of horrible stories, and wonder how they happen. There's no shame in not being a perfect mother to your child right off the bat. But I see your concern for her by asking that question of others, rather than just doing it. So the idea isn't real popular and maybe for good reason. But it helped to talk about it first. Gave you the chance to hear other's views and I didn't see anyone taking your head off for it. I think it was a good question for that very reason. | |
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| moonlight
Posted: 3/20/2005 6:56:40 PM | just some facts about wicca... take note of the web address... www.religioustolerance.org
Their beliefs include:
Wiccan Deities: Beliefs differ: Most Wiccans believe that a creative force exists in the universe, which is sometimes called "The One" or " The All". Little can be known of this force.
Most regard the Goddess and the God as representing the female and male aspects of the All. These deities are not "out there somewhere;" they are immanent in the world.
Many regard various pagan Gods and Goddesses (Pan, Athena, Diana, Brigit, Zeus, Odin, etc.) as representing various aspects of the God and Goddess. The term "Wicca" normally implies that the person's religion is based upon Celtic spiritual concepts, deities, and seasonal days of celebration. Some Wiccans include beliefs, practices and symbols from ancient Pagan religions (e.g. Egyptian, Greek, various mystery religions, Roman, Sumerian) or upon Aboriginal religions (Native American Spirituality, Shamanism).
Some Wiccans are actually agnostics, who take no position on the existence of a supreme being or beings. They look upon the Goddess and the God as archetypes, based on myth.
It cannot be stressed enough that Wiccans have no supernatural being in their pantheon of deities who resembles the Christian-Muslim Satan.
Respect for Nature: Wicca is a natural religion, grounded in the earth. All living things (including stars, planets, humans, animals, plants, rocks) are regarded as having a spirit. Many Wiccan rituals deal with bringing harmony and healing to nature. Wiccans tend to share a great concern for the environment.
Gender equality: Wiccans celebrate the sexual polarity of nature. For example, the fertilizing rain is one manifestation of the male principle; the nurturing earth symbolizes the female. Females are respected as equal (and sometimes at a slightly higher rank) to males. A priestess is often the most senior person among coven -- a local group of Wiccans. They aim for a female-male balance in most of their covens (local groups), although men are typically in the minority.
Human sexuality: Sexuality is valued, and regarded as a gift of the Goddess and God, to be engaged in with joy and responsibility, and without manipulation. Wiccans generally accept the findings of human sexuality researchers that there are three normal, natural, and unchosen sexual orientations: heterosexuality, homosexuality and bisexuality. Some Wiccans celebrate "the Great Rite" which involves ritual sexual intercourse. However, it is consensually performed by a committed couple in private.
Afterlife: Wiccans have a wide range of beliefs. Some believe in ancient legends of a Summerland where souls go after death. Here, they meet with others who have gone before, review and integrate their previous lives on earth, and are eventually reincarnated into the body of a new born. Some believe that after many such cycles -- perhaps some as female and others as male; some lives with a high standard of living and others in poverty; some in positions of power and others suffering oppression -- that the individual accumulates sufficient experience to go on to another level of existence about which we know nothing.
Some see an individual's personality, memory, abilities, talents, etc. as functions of the human brain, which degrades and disintegrates at death. They no not anticipate any form of continuity after death.
Other Wiccans anticipate continuity after death in some very narrow senses: That the molecules that go to make up our bodies may in turn be incorporated in other living entities;
That our influences on children, friends, and society in general will continue to have influences on the next generations.
Three-fold Law (a.k.a. the Law of Return) The law states that:
"All good that a person does to another returns three fold in this life; harm is also returned three fold."
This belief strongly motivates each Wiccan to avoid attempting to dominate, manipulate, control, or harm another person.
none of us have to agree with these religious beliefs in order to give advice to someone reaching out for help. as long as we have tolerance we'll all be oTay! don't bash wicca! :) (no, i'm catholic) | |
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| moonlight
Posted: 3/20/2005 7:07:25 PM | ....you'remybadkitty ;-) Excellent post! Seems you set the record straight. I've always had a thing for Wicca’s. I used to know one who spoke of it as you just did.
Made me believe it wasn't so much a religion as it was a philosophy, or science, or combination there of. She told me about how music is considered a spell of sorts, and that it held power to make a person feel different ways. How the earth naturally produced everything you would need for sustenance.
Interesting stuff... To say the least. Makes more sense to me than what others are preaching. | |
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craww
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Joined: 2/16/2005
Msg: 24 | |
| singavamp
Posted: 3/20/2005 8:00:58 PM | dear a vamp,
thank you.....i know a lot about wicca too. there is a wide variety of practices and beliefs among them....... they don't scare me at all, and i have a good laugh at some of their rituals.(sorry)
but when you post about a ten month old baby, a red flag goes up. | |
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a_vamp
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Joined: 4/24/2004
Msg: 25 | |
| singavamp
Posted: 3/20/2005 9:01:48 PM | Hahaha... "Singavamp"... Thanks for the new ID Craww! Might wanna get my friend who's good at drawing Japanese Manga to create an icon outta that ;)
And ya... I understand where ya coming about the baby... | |
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