| Mexico opposed to U.S. border fence
Posted: 9/29/2006 4:58:07 AM | MEXICO CITY - Mexico warned Thursday that the U.S. proposal to build miles of border fence will damage relations between the two countries.
The Foreign Relations Department said it was "deeply worried" about the proposal, which is working its way through the Senate, adding it will "increase tension in border communities."
"These measures will harm the bilateral relationship. They are against the spirit of co-operation that is needed to guarantee security on the common border," the department said in a statement.
The House of Representatives and Senate are maneuvering to speed construction of a 700-mile fence along the United States' southern border aimed at keeping migrants and criminals from entering the country illegally.
A House-Senate homeland security funding bill containing $1.2 billion to begin building the fence could be passed and sent to President Bush before lawmakers depart Washington this weekend.
Mexico's Foreign Relations Department said that only a comprehensive immigration reform would stop millions of Mexicans sneaking across its northern desert and swimming over the Rio Grande into the United States.
"A partial measure that is exclusively focused on security does not deal with reality and represents a political answer rather than a viable solution," it said in the statement.
President Vicente Fox has rallied against the wall, calling it "shameful" and comparing it to the Berlin Wall, which divided Germany.
President-elect Felipe Calderon, who takes over from Fox on Dec.1, has also spoken out against the measure.
There are an estimated 11 million Mexicans in the United States, about half of whom are illegal. Last year, Mexican migrants sent home more than $20 billion in remittances, providing Mexico with its second biggest source of foreign income after oil. | |
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| Mexico opposed to U.S. border fence
Posted: 9/29/2006 7:01:05 AM | The more the Mexican politicians complain about a border fence the more in my mind that it's needed for America's national security.
Instead of just a fence, there should be a barrier similar to what Israel has surrounding Gaza and the Arab parts of the occupied West Bank and/or a formal frontier between Mexico and the US and in some places between Canada and the US.
A "frontier" is a band of land anywhere between 1/2 - 10 miles (roughly 1-20 km) which is restricted or prohibited entry; a southern frontier could be limited to ranchers, farmers and their registered employees who would wear "IFF" transponders; anyone else would be subject to arrest or deadly force.
This by itself wouldn't be enough to solve the illegal alien problem; in addition to a border barrier and frontier, heavy penalties need to be applied to those who employ or house illegal aliens. The rule should be "Strict Liability" ... that is if you have an illegal on your payroll, you pay a fine; the size of the fine depends on the pre-employment or pre-rental screening you did to determine the person was legally entitled to work in the USA.
If illegal aliens can't get work in the USA, they'll go home on their own and far fewer will overstay their visas.
After we get border security squared away. THEN we can talk about "guest workers".
To do guest workers we also need to restrict birthright citizenship to the offspring of citizens whether by Act of Congress or Constitutional amendment. | |
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| Mexico opposed to U.S. border fence
Posted: 9/29/2006 7:17:30 AM | | About as stupid as when the next door neighbors didn't want me to build a fence around my property, because they wouldn't be able to sneak over and steal from my crops any more. Heck yeah I built the fence anyway. | |
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yna6
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Joined: 5/2/2004
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| Mexico opposed to U.S. border fence
Posted: 9/29/2006 10:36:19 AM | Pay wages in a credit form that is good ONLY in the US. Vacationers could use actual cash, which could be monitored by the gov't easily enough. Amount taken out - that coming back, add on the prices (proven by reciepts) for goods bought elsewheres , and it should balance out. If not, them the person is held liable for the difference. No more money going out of the country that the US loses track of. Rents could be paid, groceries, goods, whatever.
Also, they could make employers liable...caught with illegal workers, they are shut down, and the workers deported. The owners are held financially responsible for the deportation fees and security fees, and a hefty fine added. They are not allowed to open any businesses for 5 years. Perhaps all profits could well be removed, or any assets boughten with such illegal gains.
Cut the profit out of it, and there is no more reason for people to hire illegals. | |
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| Mexico opposed to U.S. border fence
Posted: 9/29/2006 10:47:15 AM | Hey yna6
The only way to get rid of the problem is to get rid of the incentive, and that is to come down HARD on the employers who hire illegals............ And I don't want to hear any crap about how the price of vegetables will skyrocket..... That is total BS. Example.... In a head of lettuce that costs about $1.00, the labor costs are about $.05.... Thats right boys and girls,,,,, five cents. So if the cost of labor TRIPLED, that same head of lettuce would cost $1.10..... BUT, lets see how many of those lettuce picking jobs get filled by illegal aliens when legal aliens and citizens find out that they can make$24.00/hr picking lettuce. That is based on $8.00/hr, which is about average wage paid. Just cut the incentive. | |
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| Mexico opposed to U.S. border fence
Posted: 9/29/2006 11:48:12 AM |
The only way to get rid of the problem is to get rid of the incentive, and that is to come down HARD on the employers who hire illegals............
Agreed. I can't remember the exact number, but as it is, employers only get fined something like $1k for hiring illegal immigrants. And something like, only 5 employers were fined last year? Or was it just one? I can't remember, but it was absurd.
This wall idea literally makes me LMAO. | |
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lira
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Joined: 6/8/2006
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| Mexico opposed to U.S. border fence
Posted: 9/29/2006 11:54:08 AM | | I am sure Mexico is pissed off. I dont think it will hurt the US if mexico wont play with us anymore, so I am not worried. | |
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| Mexico opposed to U.S. border fence
Posted: 9/29/2006 1:18:53 PM | | And you'd be wrong Lira- Mexico is the United States second largest esporting partner- and thrid largest importing. Like it or not, a large ammount of business America does comes from Mexico. | |
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lira
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Joined: 6/8/2006
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| Mexico opposed to U.S. border fence
Posted: 9/29/2006 3:36:42 PM | | Not to be sarcastic, but if we are such business buddies with Mexico, why are the president and pres. elect upset. Why would they risk relations with us. All the US is asking is for the illigals to stop comming. They keep comming so a wall is being talked about. Our relations could stay the same, just it wont be as easy for illigals to come. I thought of the berlin wall when I first read this topic. But I dont feel its the same. Mexicans will still be allowed, but they will have to come legally.I dont see how a wall should upset Mexico. Unless its because the Mexican government wants the illigals to keep comming so they can keep sending money back. | |
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| Mexico opposed to U.S. border fence
Posted: 9/29/2006 3:54:46 PM | And you'd be wrong Lira- Mexico is the United States second largest esporting partner- and thrid largest importing. Like it or not, a large ammount of business America does comes from Mexico.
Do you really think that the richest economy on Earth is dependent upon Mexico?
What did the US do before it traded so heavily with Mexico? Hmmm... This is just a guess on my part, but I am guessing those Mexican factories producing the traded goods where located in the United States in the first place.
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| Mexico opposed to U.S. border fence
Posted: 9/29/2006 5:17:53 PM | | thats right build the fence put gun towers every 100 yards give 2 warning shots berfore they can get within 50 yards of the wall anything after that is fair game that should slow them down . | |
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| Mexico opposed to U.S. border fence
Posted: 9/29/2006 11:00:51 PM | Well, the border fence bill passed tonight by a very large margin, only 19 senators voted against it. Guess most senators did not want to be on record as seeming pro-illegal immigration. Guess they are really feeling the heat from their constituents who are tired of the constant flood of illegals coming here.
Of course the fence is not enough. To really fix the problem, the basic pilot program for employers to verify legal status of employees needs to become mandatory(and tough penalties for employers who refuse to use it and hire illegals anyway)and then making a federal law that only those that are here in the country legally can recieve welfare benefits. If all that is done, then most illegals will go back on their own without having to be deported. Then another thing that would help is to change the law(or re-interpret it)so that only babies of citizens of this country will become citizens, and babies of illegals will not become citizens.
For the record again, I have to say I support legal immigration, as long as its not in overwhelming numbers. | |
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| Mexico opposed to U.S. border fence
Posted: 9/30/2006 9:01:45 AM | | At least it is reassuring that on this one issue, the senators are actually feeling the pressure of the people. And I COMPLETELY agree with the idea of NOT allowing illegals to have kids here, and those kids get citizenship. If you shouldn't be here in the first place, the kids shouldn't be either. | |
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| Mexico opposed to U.S. border fence
Posted: 10/2/2006 8:51:33 AM | FWIW, the US govt is not the least bit interested in stemming or stopping illegals.
Ever heard of NAFTA and its more recent counterpart SPPNA that will ultimately make Canada, the US, and Mexico one contiguous nation for all intents and purposes?
Over time it will bring down the standard of living in Americans as it raises the standard of living for Mexicans, but that is the plan.
Anything the govt does to stem / stop the flow of illegals is just window-dressing to keep people quiet.
Democrat or Republican makes no difference. They all are on board that train. | |
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| Mexico opposed to U.S. border fence
Posted: 10/2/2006 9:03:28 AM | | Note that I said "plan." There really is no argument in Washington on this. It's a done deal. The treaties have already been signed, and the U.S. is bound to those treaties. Nothing Congress can do about it now. | |
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| Mexico opposed to U.S. border fence
Posted: 12/7/2007 11:17:00 PM | I can't believe Mexico would object this country doing something to protect our borders . But I wonder what would happen if thousands of us Gringos headed south and
a.. Try driving around as a Gringo in Mexico with
no liability
insurance.. and have an accident...
b.. Enter MEXICO illegally. Never mind
immigration quotas, visas,
international law, or any of that nonsense.
c.. Once there, demand that the local government
provide free medical
care for you and your entire family.
d.. Demand bilingual nurses and doctors.
e.. Demand free bilingual local government forms,
bulletins, etc.
f.. Procreate abundantly. Deflect any criticism
of this allegedly
irresponsible reproductive behavior with, "It is
a cultural United States
thing. You would not understand, pal."
g.. Keep your American identity strong. Fly Old
Glory from your
rooftop, or proudly display it in your front
window or on your car
bumper.
h.. Speak only English at home and in public and
insist that your
children do likewise.
i.. Insist that all products' labels, owner's
manuals, instructions,
etc., be written in English as well as Spanish
j.. Demand classes on American culture in the
Mexican school system.
k.. Demand a local Mexican driver license. This
will afford other
legal rights and will go far to legitimize your
unauthorized, illegal
presence in Mexico.
l.. Insist that local Mexican law enforcement
teach English to all its
officers.
Good luck! Because it will never happen. It will
not happen in Mexico or
any other country in the world... except right
here in the United
States...
Land of the naive!
Words of Wisdom: "Support the country you live
in...or live in the
country you support"
A friend of mind sent me this,I wonder what would happen | |
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| Mexico opposed to U.S. border fence
Posted: 12/7/2007 11:35:29 PM | | The fence is a stupid and ineffectual idea. If they really want to do something like that they need to make it a no man's land a la the Berlin Wall. Trespassers will be shot on sight and their carcasses left for vulture food, that is if the land mines don't get them first. Illegals found in the country are to be treated as spies. | |
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| Mexico opposed to U.S. border fence
Posted: 12/8/2007 11:13:34 AM |
The fence is a stupid and ineffectual idea. The idea of a fence is great! It will be a physical manifestation of how most Americans feel about illegal immigration. Whenever Mexicans see the fence they will understand how Americans feel about their invasion of the U.S. In all of this, why is it that America is expected to ignore our laws regarding immigration? Every other country in the world controls their borders and the flow of immigrants illegal and otherwise. Its funny that people try to bring up history to justify their present actions, if Mexico had won the wars and what not would they appreciate 20 million people entering their country illegally? Look at the laws in Mexico regarding illegal immigration and ask your self why a country with such harsh laws expects our country to ignore ours? Its easier for the corrupt incompetent government of Mexico to have its citizens leave then it is to fix the problems with their countries economy.Of course Mexico is against a fence or anything that limits emigration from their country. One thing that is odd, is that we even care what Mexico thinks. Mexico and Mexicans are the true beneficiaries of Illegal immigration! | |
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| Mexico opposed to U.S. border fence
Posted: 12/8/2007 11:58:53 AM | Well maybe our enemy is closer than we think!
Who's not to say there is some hidden agenda, Mexico is trying. Because we are so blind, we think its all about needing workers, but maybe, just maybe they are setting up a multi-man army from within and will attack us from the inside out! We will all be doomed or possibly slaves to the mexicans.
Winning a war from the invasion from the out side in doesnt always work.
No wonder the dirty mexicans are spreading out throughout the Us.
Like another pof said. Try to go to Mexico w/out a passport, try to work there illegally, you will either be killed, tortured or put in prison (which is not like ours).
Our president and government is the most hypocritical people alive. They allow another (3rd world country and still is dictator controlled) country tell us what we are going to do and how we will handle our situation with them.
Only answer! Nuke Mexico and then use the 12 million + illegals here to go clean it up and let thm rebuild there dirty country again with the scum and trash we allowed in!   | |
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| Mexico opposed to U.S. border fence
Posted: 12/8/2007 4:45:36 PM |
The idea of a fence is great! It will be a physical manifestation of how most Americans feel about illegal immigration. Whenever Mexicans see the fence they will understand how Americans feel about their invasion of the U.S.
I wonder how long it takes to cut through a fence with some good wire cutters. | |
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| Mexico opposed to U.S. border fence
Posted: 12/8/2007 11:48:55 PM | The fence seems like it will be better than most people think it will be. Check this link
http://www.sunjournal.com/story/238944-3/National/Ram_pry_cut_Agency_tests_new_border_fence/ | |
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