| Selective Service advertising is up...is there a "Draft" coming?
Posted: 10/6/2006 9:47:45 AM | With all the c*ap going on in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as the fact that the military isn't getting enough volunteers to enlist due to the "oil war" , not to mention the involuntary tour extensions, I've started to notice a upsurge of commercials on television and radio from Selective Service proding those turning 18 to register and mentioning the consequences of failing to register.
Is this only a coincidence, or could conscription again be in the works, contrary to both "Dubya" and Rumsfeld's pledge to maintain a all-volunteer force? | |
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| Selective Service advertising is up...is there a Draft coming?
Posted: 10/6/2006 5:00:21 PM |
Lots of space in Canada my Southern friends :)
I don't want draft dodgers here. As much as I can understand someone's reasons for not wanting to go to war, the last thing Canada needs is more yellow-bellied losers. We took enough of them in the Veitnam era. | |
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| Selective Service advertising is up...is there a Draft coming?
Posted: 10/6/2006 5:07:26 PM | "Yellow bellied losers"
If a person has strong beliefs concerning killing humans in general or just in terms of truly belevingthat the adminstration drafting them into killing is wrong, then they are couragous for standing by those beliefs. | |
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| Selective Service advertising is up...is there a Draft coming?
Posted: 10/6/2006 5:32:21 PM | Of the many, many lessons not learned in Viet Nam, one lesson our sweet federal government DID learn was that a draft is political suicide, they wont touch it ....have no fear.
And anyway, all those young Republicans looking to stamp out evil, I am sure they're all lined up at the recruiting offices, right?
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Raos
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Joined: 8/7/2006
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| Selective Service advertising is up...is there a Draft coming?
Posted: 10/6/2006 6:10:10 PM |
Lots of space in Canada my Southern friends :)
I would love to agree, but since Vietnam, Canada has rewritten a signficant portion of our legislation that would prevent a similar occurrence. Hell, even if we hadn't, do you really Harper is going to side with protecting US citizens that can't afford a cushy "service" position, like Bush Sr. bought for Shrub, which he went AWOL on anyway, over said Shrub that he's falling all over himself to kiss ass with? | |
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| Selective Service advertising is up...is there a Draft coming?
Posted: 10/6/2006 7:24:21 PM | | yeah they need to drag all those vietnam yellow bellies back to the us and put them in the town squares were they come from and horse whip them.and if there is a draft well then too bad i guess if you gotta go you gotta go.when you run thats treason,thats death penalty on the spot.i am so sick and tired of hearin about these chicken shit people that run away just run away dont fight run away that is such bull shit we wouldnt have our freedom like we have now if it wasnt for our grandfathers and great grandfathers fighting in world war one and world war two i dont understand what you guys think you think they wanted to go over there and kill people?no but there country asked them to go and they went with out a hitch.thats whats wrong with this world is they dont make men like that any more now we got these hippie ohh dont hurt the trees dont hurt the animals dont hurt other people well i tell you one thing you walk in my house in the middle of the night uninvited you are gonna get your brains shot out all over the wall and i am gonna laugh in whats left of your face and say well i guess you should have moved to canada were they would have found you in the house offerd you a labat blue let him have his way with your woman and then take your shit and see him to the door.well not here and the reason why is cause we have people here that fight for what they have.canada is made up of draft dodgers and pot heads and i dont know wich one is worse. | |
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Raos
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Joined: 8/7/2006
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| Selective Service advertising is up...is there a Draft coming?
Posted: 10/6/2006 7:49:15 PM |
no but there country asked them to go and they went with out a hitch
I agree with you. it's time there country ask for the bush twins and cheney's daughter to go to iraq to do some belly dancing for the troops. after all, bush and cheney have been repeating that fighting for there country ( in a losing war ) is the honorable thing to do.
how about they start at home and show some leadership and send their kids, not to war, just for a bit of troops entertainment........a bit of belly dancing, a bit of this and a bit of that.....and maybe a bit of pole dancing. why not. nothing there that the troops fighting for there country don't deserve.
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| Selective Service advertising is up...is there a Draft coming?
Posted: 10/6/2006 8:19:24 PM | The draft was the downfall of the American military, which put the US and indeed the whole world in a very precarious position.
Russia wasn't afraid to invade Afghanistan. Iran wasn't afraid to take hostages. North Korea started rattling it's sabre. Pirates started attacking merchant shipping.
If the draft were reinstated, it would be a great tragedy, because just like Iraq... which is a Viet Nam replay; the draft wouldn't work. If enough people don't want to go, it means either a police state or massive social unrest.
If you think the draft would be equitable, no matter what you say: think again. It doesn't work like that.
For anti-Neocons who think and want to prove otherwise: we're already redoing Viet Nam; do you want us to have to go through the war against the draft again... as well?
Bad BAD idea. | |
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| Selective Service advertising is up...is there a Draft coming?
Posted: 10/6/2006 8:52:30 PM | For those of you who are uneducated, stubborn or just plain ignorant enough to understand why a draft would not or won't work; think this:
Can blind people be drafted?
Can disabled people be drafted?
Can people be drafted who can't pass a physical?
Do you think doctors excuses can't be manufactured?
Do you think people with alot of money don't have ways to "hide" from the government?
Think again.
War is ALWAYS "class warfare".
Do you think landowners and people of substance even fought in the revolutionary war?
Think again, again.
As officers, maybe... but how many officers can an army have?
We're talking about enlistees here.
It's always the poor people who wind up in the military; except for those who really want a career there.
The ONLY way a draft would work is if our people became SO poor, or a REAL threat to our national well-being truly existed; so that the majority of young males would welcome the full time low wage employment that a job in the military would bring... like during WWII or the fifties; and try as hard Bush and his ilk have to make that a reality for most of us; it's a long way off.
BAD BAD idea...
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| Selective Service advertising is up...is there a Draft coming?
Posted: 10/6/2006 11:18:00 PM | | i agree the draft is a bad thing what i am sayin is if they want you to go then you need to man up and go.if you are chicken shit then dont do the selective service and pay with jail time if they ever catch you,and dont **** if they do.if you dont want to fight when they ask you then move the hell out of here you need to do what they want weather its right or not i think but that is my opinion this country is the way it is i vote it may not be they way i like it but ya know what i can **** cause i vote .and the reason vietnam was so bad was because it wasnt just one war it was 7 one year wars pretty much cause they rotate out in a year and then you got newbies comin in all the time not like world war two were they stayed till the fightin was done and that was that so that makes you wanna fight for all you are worth not go ok i got 320 days left what can i do to keep from gettin shot,world war two was fight like hell so maybe they dont wanna fight anymore and lets all get home.but anyway i think i have went on long enough haha so anyway that is my two cents take it or leave it. | |
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| Selective Service advertising is up...is there a Draft coming?
Posted: 10/6/2006 11:55:06 PM |
agree the draft is a bad thing what i am sayin is if they want you to go then you need to man up and go.if you are chicken shit then dont do the selective service and pay with jail time if they ever catch you,and dont **** if they do.if you dont want to fight when they ask you then move the hell out of here
I see that gender equality has not hit you yet. What about "womaning up" and going, too? Anyway, in all your rambling you seem to have a contradiction. In your first post, you basically tell people that they have to go fight if there is a draft, and if they prefer to think and not do everything that they are told to do, regardless of whether they agree with it or not, that is treason. Yet here, you tell them to leave, which is exactly what the Draft Dodgers did. So which is it? Stay, or leave?
Also, I enjoy how you idealize World War II. There were certainly a fair share of desertees there, too, and not everyone who went there went expecting to do the job until it was done. Veterans for WWI and WWII went for much the same reasons that they do now. In many cases, it was not their ideals and the "fight for freedom" that made them join. Those are things that have really been applied afterwards, in many cases. It was the promise of a paycheque (remember that the Great Depression was just sort of coming to an end when WWII started, and people needed money) and a sense of adventure that drove many to go. When I visited Juno Beach this past summer, the guide at the centre there talked about leading a tour of the beach, where a veteran of the landing was taking the tour along with a bunch of others. He apparently gave a long spiel to everyone about how they felt like they were fighting to defend freedom, and all that patriotic jazz. Afterwards, he confided to the tour guide that $1.50/day wasn't bad either. In other words, he, along with so many others, were in it because they had no other form of income.
It is very much true that war (especially war in modern times, since the late 18th century or so, and most especially 20th century war) has often seen the involvement, and subsequent death of largely young, poor men who got caught up in a huge mess which they did not create, and which they likely did not know what they were getting into. WWI was a real eye-opener for many. Europe had not seen a true, major war for 100 years. People did not know what war really was about, and it was often glorified (plus the pay, sense of adventure, "promise" that the war would be over soon, etc.). So initially, people joined the armed forces in great number. By 1917 the numbers were not so great, and within the last year of the war even the Canadian military had to introduce conscription, because it was impossible to get enough volunteers - once it became known what war was actually like, people simply didn't want to go, despite the propaganda. WWII became like that, too. Vietnam was like that. Iraq has become like that as well. The pawns who fight in the military have no control the administrations that seek to gain from the wars. The best way that they can remain individuals, and stand up for what they truly believe in, is to do what they feel is right, not what their government feels right. Standing up for truth, liberty and justice in the face of a tremendous force, such as the U.S. government, and not giving up your own morals to fight in a war that you do not believe is just - that is courage. | |
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| Selective Service advertising is up...is there a Draft coming?
Posted: 10/7/2006 12:09:48 AM |
Standing up for truth, liberty and justice in the face of a tremendous force, such as the U.S. government, and not giving up your own morals to fight in a war that you do not believe is just - that is courage.
courage... and a dose of prosperity.
Don't forget: scarcity is always the greatest tool of tyrants.
Don't forget they can get anyone to kill if they're hungry enough. Don't forget what happened when Nazis threw single pieces of food into traincars full of starving Jews waiting to be taken to the death camps...or when they got Unkrainians to turn the gas hoses on Jews in those death camps... or when the African chieftains sold their tribes into slavery...don't believe anyone else is any better.
Class warfare is a reality. So are racism and jingoism.
Ask yourself why the Bush administration is selling this nation into deep debt. | |
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| Selective Service advertising is up...is there a Draft coming?
Posted: 10/7/2006 12:27:40 AM | | no i did not Thorondor because i said then dont fill out the selective service card then get caught and go to jail but dont whine when you do get caught i didnt say run when they draft you. you have to fill out the card before they can draft you and if you fill it out and you get drafted then go dont be a puss and as far as the gender thing whatever that is a big bunch of crap but this is not the time or the place to get into that cause all it does is get crap started with the lezbos that wanna be men and crap and i dont really wanna hear it. | |
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| Selective Service advertising is up...is there a Draft coming?
Posted: 10/7/2006 12:30:37 AM | | Thorondor this vet said that he was in it for the 1.50 a day it wasnt a joke about yeah we were in all this bad fightin but the 1.50 was worth it you dont think that maybe that could have been a joke??? i love they way people just hear what they want. | |
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Joined: 9/25/2006
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| Selective Service advertising is up...is there a Draft coming?
Posted: 10/7/2006 12:55:29 AM | I'm sure there's a draft coming. The war is going to go on for another
3 or 4 years - some said 10 years. The mental fatigue is so great for
the soldiers there now and they are being redeployed again and again.
Financially, these people are screwed and the gov't knows that another
war with Iran may be looming and need more bodies...I mean soldiers.
1200 suspect nucleur research sites in Iran....that war will last for
5 years and the fall out will reach Israel, Lebanon and Syria. | |
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| Selective Service advertising is up...is there a Draft coming?
Posted: 10/7/2006 1:02:09 AM | | There was an Ad in the Omaha paper for Computer techs, paid training provided. As I am looking for a new job and this is right up my alley, I dialed the number on the ad. Lo and behold, I was connected to the Navy Recruiting office. | |
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| Selective Service advertising is up...is there a Draft coming?
Posted: 10/7/2006 1:14:40 AM | | I find it strange how some people keep implying Bush and/or republicans are the ones who are pushing for a draft, when only democrats have been pushing for it so far. Democrat Charles Rangel recently introduced a bill to bring back the draft, and only democrats voted for it, no republicans voted for it. | |
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| Selective Service advertising is up...is there a Draft coming?
Posted: 10/7/2006 1:32:22 AM | "canada is made up of draft dodgers and pot heads and i dont know wich one is worse."
They're pretty much equally degenerate, and equally revered. Its poor spelling that we can't stand.
I have spent time in the service of my country, and one thing I can tell you is that I'd hate to trust my life to a guy who's other option is jail. An all volunteer Army ensures that only wars fought for noble causes will have the political will for victory. It, like the abolishment of the death penalty, is the hallmark of an enlightened society... more in common with Sweden and Denmark than the societies of Iran and Texas.
As for accepting American political refugees, I think it would be a nice change of pace to have rich immigrants with plenty of venture capital to spread around.
America, take heart, for the draft won't affect the inner city youth that join up anyway to get out of the hood. What they need are translaters, computer operators and technicians, and other specialised trades (basically all the jobs held by gays who were asked to leave). So if you are an educated and accomplished citizen with highly sought after skills , it will be you that is yanked out of the domestic economy and your family will have to live off your Lt.'s pay rather than what you earned at Microsoft or Georgetown University.
Say what you will about my country and its citizen's character, but you'd cry like babies if we (and our homosexual-friendly army) pulled out of Afghanistan. | |
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| Selective Service advertising is up...is there a Draft coming?
Posted: 10/7/2006 8:16:10 AM | re: post #22 from redwood34
Actually, I've noticed the same thing myself..Rangel and Murtha both are bellyaching for the draft to be reinstated, and it seems that in the past couple decades all the proponents of the draft have been the Democrats.
That was my mistake not to point out the Democrats obsession with SSS in the first post. | |
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