| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 10/19/2006 1:58:58 PM | What is Wrong with Nudity?
Why is it illegal and considered morally wrong to be seen as a human in his or her natural state in public? Why don't we extend this expectation to Lambs who have been recently shaved or those cats that have no hair. Shouldn't this make sense for humans and animals to? Why are we so different from animals when it comes to nakedness?
Is it assumed that we humans have so much stronger of a sex drive that we would have no self control over our sex drive when we see someone naked or are some of us humans just too gross to withstand public decency?
Finally does anyone know of scripture that tells us why nudity is only something humans should be jailed or fined for? How about any scripture concerning nudity of any creature pro or con? | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 10/19/2006 2:26:41 PM | Tim4925,
Genesis 3:6-13 (NASB)
When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings. They heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. Then the LORD God called to the man, and said to him, "Where are you?" He said, "I heard the sound of You in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself." And He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?" The man said, "The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me from the tree, and I ate." Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" And the woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."
For some reason God wanted the feeling of shame to be hidden from man (or if all knowing he knew they would eat of the tree and discover shame), either way He seems to have wanted nudity to be shameful.
I think with sexuality becoming more open and porn and what not becoming more mainstream it is desensitizing many. I know when I was young it didn't take much more then a picture to get me going, now that I am older and have seen and done much I need a little more then a simple picture.
I think there is something left to be desired when you can't see everything. When you can the act of sex is all there is, the rest (the visual) becomes mundane. It's like in a relationship, things settle down from the hot steamy beginning after time as the "I got something neat for my b-day" feeling wears off.
As far as the self control aspect, I don't think that would be any more of a problem then it already is....we already have rape in our society and people wear clothing. | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 10/19/2006 5:54:19 PM | Nothing is wrong with nudity..but if it were allowed by law, think of all the car crashes that would occur all day long as people gawk at each other. Even if we were all naked, hot bodies would still stand out in a crowd.
And imagine the pedophiles dream come true as nudist parents took out their naked little offspring.
Nudity is great, but does need to be kept contained away from society at large. | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 10/19/2006 8:24:07 PM | Seems to me that our culture is a bit repressed about sexuality... and that this is the cause of significant amount of sex crimes...
Things that are 'forbidden' become powerful lures for certain people... so there are skeezy back corners of society that form to cater to those desires.
Not that certain things (like pedophilia) shouldn't be forbidden... but if folks just walked around naked... well, I think nudity would cease to be any more titillating than when folks kept their clothes on... in fact I can predict some people would start fantasizing about putting clothes back on them. | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 10/20/2006 3:03:56 AM |
When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings. They heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. Then the LORD God called to the man, and said to him, "Where are you?" He said, "I heard the sound of You in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself." And He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?" The man said, "The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me from the tree, and I ate." Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" And the woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."
Study this passage. What is it really saying? Let's break it down...
Clearly nakedness cannot be wrong. In fact it must be Man's natural state. Adam and Eve walked in the Garden at one with God and were naked.
This is indisputable.
So, on. They eat the fruit. And what happens? They feel shame.
But shame for what? It cannot be shame for being naked because if it is wrong to be naked and shame is an appropriate response to this sin then why did they not feel it when they walked naked with God before the Fall?
If it is 'right' to fell shame at nakedness then A&E must have been wrong when they were with God before the Fall and must therefore be right after having eaten the apple and as a direct consequence of it.
This cannot be. It is a massive theological problem.
The only conclusion that fixes this conundrum is this: that it is the idea that nakedness is wrong which is itself wrong rather than the nakedness itself.
From here stems thousands of years of up-tight sexual hang-ups....right there.
The sin is 'thinking that sex and nakedness are wrong' when they clearly aren't. It is a sin which is perpetually committed thousands of times a day by mindless religious bigots and hypocrites the world over.
And they are proud of it and have elevated it to the official status of 'Holy'. | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 10/20/2006 3:54:09 AM | | While I don't think that nudity is a sin or inherently evil, it does have it's own time and place. Also, my body is perhaps the most private thing about me and I'm not sure I'd want to share it with the whole world. | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 10/20/2006 7:44:38 AM | You = Why is it illegal and considered morally wrong to be seen as a human in his or her natural state in public
Silly question. Why do you think its illegal for us to run around naked? Immoral...again...why do you think? Common sense.
You = Why don't we extend this expectation to Lambs who have been recently shaved or those cats that have no hair. Shouldn't this make sense for humans and animals to? Why are we so different from animals when it comes to nakedness?
Because they are animals. Points to temple...common sense. To compare our nudity to animals is utterly ridiculous. | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 10/20/2006 8:10:06 AM | Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife.
We covet what we see. If a woman wears loose fitting clothes that don't reveal her figure, if she covers her hair, if she covers her face, we cannot see her, therefore we cannot covet her physical form.
Yes, we have the ability to control our inclinations and desires and we do not have to act on what we feel. God cares as much about intent as he(she) does about action.
I don't want the image of my hot naked neighbor popping into my head while I pray.
There is also an argument regarding achievement level phenomenom.
In our society people actually wear very little in the way of clothes. Hemlines are at the top of the thighs, pants top out just above the pubic bone, plunging neck lines are common. The human body is supposed to visually stimulate and excite a sexual response. We see sexually suggestive clothing (or lack thereof) constantly. This can lead do a dulling of the visual sense and a need for excessive stimulation including and beyond the visual to achieve sexual satisfaction, leading to further erosion of moral values.
Bottom line, God cares about what's in our hearts as well as our actions. Remember, and I can't emphasize this enough, hence the redundancy, we covet what we see.
Assalaam alaikum | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 10/20/2006 10:13:04 AM | cagliostro,
But shame for what? It cannot be shame for being naked because if it is wrong to be naked and shame is an appropriate response to this sin then why did they not feel it when they walked naked with God before the Fall?
Genesis 3:5 (NASB)
"For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
Ignorance is bliss and this blissful state is what man was in until the knowledge of good and evil was given to us by the fruit. It is shame for being naked, that is why they made themselves loin coverings. The reason they didn't feel shame earlier on is because they didn't have the knowledge of what is right and what is wrong. With the tree of knowledge they become aware of their state and realize it is shameful. | |
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Posted: 10/20/2006 10:45:35 AM | ^^^ But that's my point - if they realized it was wrong correctly then this means that before the fall when they walked naked with God they were sinning - they were just unaware of it.
But there was no sin in the world then..... | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 10/20/2006 1:21:26 PM | They weren't sinning previous to eating the fruit as there was no knowledge of good and evil. It's like time, it doesn't really exist unless you have two or more pieces of matter. You need one to be measured against the other for it to exist. Without the knowledge, they were living in a sin free world doing as they pleased. They were unaware that temptation was wrong when Eve was tempted to eat the fruit....they only knew God said not to, but they could not comprehend right and wrong or good from evil. When the knowledge was given so was the responsibility of using it for the greater good of mankind.
BTW, this is just my opinion, I have nothing to back it up with other then my own reasoning. | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 10/20/2006 1:40:32 PM | Personally I'm not very comfortable with nudity....when I get undressed I want to leave the room...actually I'm not that bad anymore, I have done the narcistic (sp?) posing in front of the mirror on occasion 
I think if nudity were the norm we'd be alot less sensitive...and problems such as pedophilia might be diminished if not eliminated.
'No fruit is so sweet as that which is forbidden' or so the old saw goes. Put it out there where everyone can see it anytime and anywhere....Who knows? Arousal might require a lot more than mere visual stimulus and the porn industry might tank. Let me know if the idea catches on, I'll buy some Put Options on publicy traded distributors of erotic material. | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 10/20/2006 7:55:46 PM | | Nothing is wrong with nudity. Lust is truly the sin there. Laws are inforced because not everyone wants to see others naked, and some people do not want children seeing naked people. If we were all naked all the time it would become the norm, but we do not. some people are just not comfy with seeing others naked. Some guys I think also would not be able to control themselves with naked women all over the place. | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 10/21/2006 5:24:59 PM | | I believe there is nothing wrong with Christian Nudity. I am not going to get into any arguments but I found a few sites that have a wealth of info on there pertaining to this topic for the people that are ignorrant. fig leaf forum dot com, Cheef dot com, and oursunhome dot com. If you also go to AANR dot com and actually research the nudist lifestyle. | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 10/21/2006 6:41:25 PM | Since this is in the religion posts it seems perfectly logical to me that various religious beliefs object to nudity, although I think some of this is also driven by patriarch-type thinking - women as property sort of thing. All the veiling/cover up stuff seems to be focused on women (I would be happy to be corrected on this point)
As far as the OPs point about nudity leading to rampant uncontrolled sex...LOL...not gonna happen...visit any beach where there is a lot of flesh exposed, guarantee that there are 99 turn-offs to every 1 turn-on...(Well, at least on US beaches) | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 10/21/2006 8:26:34 PM | | There have been times in europe(can't think of which century) when women wore clothes more revealing than they do now.......as in sheer clothing- in public. Then there were the gowns........cut wayyyyyyyy down........ | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 10/22/2006 7:19:00 AM | Great comments, thanks to all.
Keep them coming my friends.
Here's my humble perspective on this subject.
I've been in both cultures where nudity was acceptable and not acceptable. What I have experienced is that the fit female body carries more power especially when a woman wears provocative clothing that cover just enough to "lure her prey" into the mysteriously covered areas. Coxing her "prey" into wanting what is not seen seems to have a more enticing effect on me and other men as far as I have been able to observe.
Using clothing for sexual stimulation can be highly effective. However, I would suggest that considering the negative ramifications of squelching something as strong as a man's natural desire to view the female body in it's entirety on a fairly regular basis, by outlawing or socially condemning the appearance of something so naturally desired by males, can be overly stimulating for males are who are asked not to "strike" this enticing "lure" and some unhealthy preoccupations can and often do ensue.
I look forward to hearing more of your diverse views on this seemingly moral question. | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 10/23/2006 12:00:36 PM | Nudity is beautiful and natural....but it's pretty sacred. And think of what would happen to the clothing industry if we all ditched our clothes...hehe.
Good question though...but it's just how our society is. They don't want everyone to let everything hang out, lol. | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 10/23/2006 4:54:36 PM | Nudity is the Naked Truth and we are a society bent on lies and deception. | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 10/23/2006 6:06:25 PM | Why is it illegal and considered morally wrong to be seen as a human in his or her natural state in public?
That is the Key phrase “in public” As I walked in Vancouver along a beach I noticed people began to have less and less clothing on, until finally I was walking along Wreck beach, where there were thousands of nude people in the hot summer sun, playing football, swimming in the ocean, sun tanning, or just walking around. Many families, couples, and even leaders of political groups, and churches as well. I was the odd person out, even deviant by not being nude.
So while in Rome…
I even met a very high ranked official, who is involved in the Lutheran church. I met earlier that year in a board meeting. And yes perhaps thousands of people in the same place, nude, and you know what, no one was having sex, anywhere! Yes, I would challenge anyone who is stuck in his or her own personal box to step outside it. In this case find a nude gathering place like a beach, and experience the truth. People are not all heathens.
…Shouldn't this make sense for humans and animals to? Why are we so different from animals when it comes to nakedness?
News flash “we are animals too”, what the air we both breath, is the same, we bleed the same, we die the same, many species mate for life. So I personally have taken the stance to not dress up animals, in clothing! I would even boycott a pet store for trying to put a sweater on my freshly shaven dog. Unless you have a thing for freshly shaven sheep? To each their own.
As for scripture that controls, and sets fear, into my soul. I have to say; take what is useful and leave the rest.
Personally life is to short to live in fear. | |
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| What is Wrong with Nudity?
Posted: 10/25/2006 5:57:29 AM | | Ummm, I'm not religious and I don't believe in the bible at all. Please stop using biblical references to prove a point. It doesn't roll that way where I'm from. | |
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