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 anApplepear

Joined: 12/9/2005
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Posted: 10/26/2006 8:34:19 PM
http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Columnists/Boryskavich_Krista/2006/10/26/2134058.html


Ladies and gentlemen, stock up on your Twinkies. A tax on junk food could be coming to a province near you. Earlier this month, the British Columbia government said it is considering adding a new weapon to its sin tax a***nal -- the "junk food tax" -- in an attempt to curb the obesity epidemic that is spiralling out of control.

Gordon Hogg, the B.C. minister responsible for healthy living, said "there's an allure to (a junk food tax) ... If we are going to have a positive impact on public behaviour, and benefits to the people of this province, then (a tax) is something we clearly have to look at."
And B.C. isn't alone. In late September, the Medical Society of Prince Edward Island passed a resolution calling on the P.E.I. government to implement a "junk food tax." P.E.I.'s health minister says he's open to the concept.
It's an idea whose time has definitely come. We've already got sin taxes on booze and cigarettes. Chocolate bars and potato chips are the next logical step.

Eating junk food leads to weight gain. With that weight gain comes increased health risks including high blood pressure, diabetes and heart disease. And with those increased health risks comes increased strain on an already overburdened medical system.
Normally, I'd be arguing tooth and nail against any form of tax increase. But a 2004 Statistics Canada study showed that 23% of adults -- about 5.5 million people -- were obese. That's an awful lot of full-figured folks facing potentially dire consequences. It really boils down to personal responsibility. If a person makes a conscious lifestyle decision to disregard his or her health by subsisting on a diet of soft drinks, hamburgers and french fries, they should expect to be financially accountable to the government piper for their choices.

At the same time, the government piper must be accountable for the money it collects, as a sin tax of this nature is only palatable if that money is directed to the health-care system.
Critics of the "junk food tax" concept have argued it unfairly targets the poor, who may not be able to afford healthy forms of nourishment. But last time I grabbed a meal from a fast food joint, it topped the $6 mark. For that price, a person can easily buy a loaf of bread and some sandwich meat -- enough, even, for multiple meals. So that argument simply doesn't fly.
A more valid concern, one expressed by the P.E.I. health minister, is how to properly define junk food. Answers.com defines it as "a high-calorie food that is low in nutritional value." But how high do the calories have to be (or conversely, how low does the nutritional value have to be) before legislators decide to penalize the purchaser? Are all desserts junk food? If they are, will flour, sugar, eggs and milk fall under the "junk food tax" if they're used to bake cookies? What about ground beef and buns, if they're used to make hamburgers?

Will all items on a fast food menu be classified as junk food, simply because of the location in which they are purchased? Or is a salad permissible as long as it doesn't come with fries?
Legislators could let themselves become bogged down with a myriad of complex (and sometimes ridiculous) scenarios. Or they could agree on a trial basis to tax certain items that indisputably fall into the junk food category (chocolate bars and potato chips, for instance) as they try to come to terms with a more complete definition.

In the meantime, you better stockpile those Twinkies, if you know what's not good for you.


So what do you think about this?? Besides french fries that was mentioned in the article, what about those donuts in Tim Hortons?? And all the Sweets of Starbucks?? If the New Tax is approved, do you think it will " curb the obesity epidemic " as suggested??
 e-wok

Joined: 9/25/2006
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Posted: 10/26/2006 10:57:23 PM
I smoke a pack of cigs a day....I paid $10 per day to support my habit
but now have my cigs flown in from Mexico so I only pay $3 per day.

Where there's a will there's a way. Beer? Already taxed to death and
over priced....people still drink it, right?

It's bogus.
 Paddy O Furniture

Joined: 9/15/2006
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Posted: 10/26/2006 11:14:34 PM
Where theres a will, theres a way.

People are always one step ahead of the law.

In the meantime, check and see if Lil Debbie will ship her Swiss Rolls, Zebra Cakes and Cosmic Brownies tax free to Canada
 e-wok

Joined: 9/25/2006
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Posted: 10/26/2006 11:18:54 PM
^^^ you should try the tiger-soup here....deeeelicious.

It's only illegal for people who actually follow the laws.
 epsilonbj

Joined: 5/29/2005
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Posted: 10/27/2006 3:28:09 AM
the BC gvnmt should first get rid of that convicted of impaired driving premier if they want to curb alcoholism...and leave the obese alone.......vive le canada.......when are we going to have a real crook as premier? or a druggy? I mean there is hope but we don't want to wait too long to see that. we will be the 1st country to have elected a recovering addict of some kind.........

ewo, what is this tiger soup? can you give more info?
 Xena_

Joined: 6/16/2006
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Posted: 10/27/2006 4:00:39 AM

Gordon Hogg, the B.C. minister responsible for healthy living


Hogg...a slice of irony on the side please!
 EddyJ

Joined: 2/12/2006
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Posted: 10/27/2006 10:35:14 PM
''Obesity epidemic spiralling out of control ''

little doubt junk food has contributed to this epidemic.
Twinkies And deep fried ones at that ....available at fairs & such
A sure prescription for angioplasty

However. obesity was seldom heard of prior to the introduction of

''FLUORIDE'' an additive put into municipal water systems ( tap water )

Prior to that ''iodine'' was the popular and common additive.

Fluoride impairs thyroid function.... the end result will almost always be obesity
in most people who drink and or bath in this water.

Flouride also contributes to cancer- early onset of ''Alzheimers''
cripplling skeletal fluorosis. and serious neurological dissorders.

Demanding that flouride be removed from our cities water systems
will help put an end to this epidemic

 Singlemaltgirl

Joined: 12/31/2004
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Posted: 10/29/2006 1:43:01 AM
in response to the op - i agree with the idea in principle. health care costs are rising and whatever pre-emptive measures we can take as a society to deal with preventable illness is welcome. i would think you would place this tax on prepared packaged foods of high caloric, low nutritional value rather than actual ingredients like milk and eggs, etc.

by the same token, i also support tax breaks for canadians (or in this case british columbians) who value their health and make efforts to be active...i.e. gym memberships or sports league fees should be tax deductible. again though, you have those complexities to actual implementation as you would with a junk food tax - what leagues are considered to actually have health benefits? how do you prove that people use their gym memberships? etc.

before we explore either option, there are much simpler things we can do as a society. for instance, our public school system can completely eliminate all soft drink/junk food vending machines from schools. instead we should be offering water or milk and fresh fruits and grains in those machines. we can institute and maintain nutrition programs through schools educating children about healthy eating from a young age in addition to fostering an active lifestyle. physical education has been limited in our schools in recent years - my son only has PE twice a week! and during the winter, he doesn't always get to go outside to play during recess and lunch....if given active choices in the school gym and having sports and fitness a key component to school, i think we would help eliminate some of that growing obesity in our children. some of what i am suggesting is already being implemented but not throughout our public schools - only in selected areas where parents and educators have banded together and made this happen.

for adults and especially seniors, we should make actual use of community centres more affordable which would mean subsidizing pools and fitness facilities in those community centres. however, more people would use them - especially those poor that were mentioned in the article - if they had better more affordable access to community resources like pools.

just a thought....
 Sesquipedalian

Joined: 3/1/2006
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Posted: 10/29/2006 7:12:59 AM
Dumb dumb dumb. It's just a cheap attempt at a new revenue source. If ''Obesity epidemic spiralling out of control '' (does obesity spiral or plop?) why don't they get it at the source? I mean, I know it's the obvious thing to do and the right thing but there's no money in it.

Double the number of PT classes at schools from one a week to two. Allow contact sports like tag. (Its coming) Teach kids to play and be more physical. Encourage sports programs. And tax the snot out of vidoe games.
 yna6

Joined: 5/2/2004
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Posted: 10/29/2006 9:26:53 AM
Junk food is already taxed...called the GST! Another one? Why not?

We can make our own junk food.
 ~~~HK~~~

Joined: 10/17/2006
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Posted: 10/29/2006 9:41:46 PM
where will they draw the line on junk?

Lots and lots of food ppl consume is no good for their body that adds to being overweight.
White flour products are full of sugar....yet ppl think it's good for them.

How about riding the companies azz' that make the junk,Have them put warning labels on the product like cigerettes.Tax the company more that makes the crap!

****Warning****
Stupid... This will make you Overweight!
Dumbass....To be eaten for entertainment purposes only!
Jackazz...This product contains several chemicals that are NOT good for you!

Oh than we could get lucky enough for companies to have to start labelling their product may contain traces of steroids.
We live in a sugar & chemical crazy society, how about the government funnel some tax dollars to Health Canada, Education, Marketing etc to teach us about real food and how our bodies work for reminders!
Oh right cuz that's basic stuff we all learned in grade school, forgot & some now need reminders so tax the hell out of them? Gee this seems like a good idea?......Tax the product so that these huge companies start going under and we raise EI. Good thinkin' there!
Cripes.........

Hummmmmm.......this should be interesting to find out what they label junk food besides the obvious.
JMHO
HK
 EddyJ

Joined: 2/12/2006
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Posted: 10/30/2006 8:20:10 AM
You know I love that organic cooking
I always ask for more
And they call me Mr natural
On down to the health food store
I only eat good sea salt
White sugar don't touch my lips
And my friends is always begging me
To take them on a macrobiotic trips
Yes they are
Oh but at night I stake out my strong box
That I keep under lock and key
And I take it off to my closet
Where nobody else can see
I open that door so slowly
Take a peek up north and south
Then I pull out a Hostess Twinkie
And I pop it in my mouth
Yeah - in the daytime I'm Mr natural
Just as healthy as I can be
But at night I'm a junk food junkie
Good Lord have mercy on me

Well. at lunch time
You can always find me- At the whole earth natural bar
Just sucking up my plain white yogurt
From my hand thrown pottery jar
Sippin a little hand pressed cider
With a carrot stick for desert
And wiping my face in a natural way
On the sleeve of my peasant shirt
Ah but when that clock strikes midnight
And I'm all by myself
I work that combination
On my secret hideaway shelf
And I pull down some fritos corn chips
Dr, Pepper and an ole moon pie
Then I sit back in glorious expectation
Of a genuine junk food high
Oh yeah. in the daytime I'm Mr natural
Just as healthy as I can be
But at night I'm a junk food junkie
Good Lord have pitty on me
My friends down at the commune
They think I'm a hero ''pretty neat''
Oh I don;t know nothing bout arts and crafts
But I give em all something to eat
I'm a friend to old Euell Gibbons
And I only eat home grown spice
I got a John Keats autographed Grecian urn
Filled up with my brown rice
Yes I do
Oh but folks lately. I've been spotted
With a big Mac on my breath
Stumbling into a Colonel Sanders
With a face as white as death
I'm afraid someday they'll find me
Just streached out on my bed
With a handfull of Pringles potato chips
And a Ding Dong by my head
In the daytime I'm Mr natural
Just as healthy as I can be
But at night I'm a junk food junkie
Good Lord have pitty on me


 Trewq36

Joined: 2/9/2005
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Posted: 10/30/2006 9:44:42 AM
Ah, just put scales in the shops and charge people for every pound they're above normal.
 Sesquipedalian

Joined: 3/1/2006
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Posted: 10/30/2006 11:08:58 AM
NOpe that's not going to work either.

What about those of us with more muscle than normal. There's going to be a wrestling match right now if some till monkey tells me I have to pay a Junk food tax because I wiegh over the average.

Nailing the companies is about the fairest thing we could do. However this puts the tax burden on them so we or our governments will make us pay it.
 Ninki

Joined: 4/11/2005
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Posted: 10/30/2006 11:38:24 AM
I'm all in favor of it!!
 Ninki

Joined: 4/11/2005
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Posted: 10/30/2006 11:42:49 AM
EddyJ, I agree with you that fluoride is very bad for people's health, but I don't think it's responsible for the obesity epidemic. Aspartame might have a lot more to do with that. Ever since it was approved by the FDA (Donald Rumsfeld had something to do with that - do you smell a rat?) and started being put into everything from soft drinks to pudding mixes, people have been getting heavier and heavier. Aspartame actually makes people crave more carbs. Go to www.dorway.com for more info.

Ninki

 AliveInMontreal

Joined: 6/19/2006
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Posted: 10/31/2006 4:54:16 AM
I think like some people pointed out this is just another way the government knows it can make money off of people's addictions. (yes food can be an addiction in some) A year ago when I was smoking cigarettes I would have paid 20.00 a pack for my addiction I didn`t care... that is not what encouraged me to quit. Same goes for junk food. I stopped over indulging in junk 4 yrs ago for overall health benefits: it's so much easier keeping the weight off, and the benefits to my skin, my energy levels etc etc. The problem is that people who over indulge in junk food have trouble setting limits. It's ok to have it... in moderation. There is also the fact that many North Americans don`t even know what their daily caloric requirements are. So rather than tax junk, educate people on moderation and good diet from early childhood in school and at home.... (btw I remember having gym classes every day when I was going to school... at least in high school)
 EddyJ

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Posted: 10/31/2006 12:14:02 PM
Aspartame - Fluoride

I wonder which of the two poisonous additives in use. could be considered

The greater tragedy of modern times ?

( TRUE ) Artificial sweetners - especially ( aspartame ) are more likely to encourage obesity.
Ironically. Many who are obese and eliminate artificial sweetners from their diets are quite
likely to loose 4-30 lbs in a short period of time.

Rumsfeld

Fluoride impairs thyroid function
Thyroid - the master gland of metabolism

Treatment - flush ( fluoride ) out
IODINE - FOLIC ACID - SELENIUM

Iodine is
antibacterial
anti cancer
anti parasitic
anti viral
mucolytic agent

Conditions treated with IODINE

obesity
dupuytren's contracture
breast disease
excess mucous production
fatigue
fibrocystic breast
hemorrhoids
headaches - migraines
keloids
ovarian cysts
parotid duct stones
peyronies

www.womentowomen.com/hypothyroidism/alternativetreatments.asp





Tax on Junk Foods
Posted: 10/31/2006 12:55:40 PM
A tax on junk food would most likely have more impact on people in the lowest income bracket.

The other problem is that many people don't know just how much "junk" is actually in the fast food they eat. Is that Pizza you ordered covered in real cheese, or an "edible oil" product?

Parents, peers and schools are all factors in what children choose to eat. School cafeterias should offer healthy foods at modest prices - often they don't. Local elementary schools here raise money for school needs by holding pizza-for- lunch days. Pizza isn't the worst food choice, depending on how its' made etc, but why shouldn't a parent have the choice of sending the child to school with a healthy lunch instead?

It isn't always easy to eat healthily on a low income, especially if you have never learned even the basic tricks of stretching a food budget, and many folks do not have that knowledge, so sometimes they choose junk food because - it is there, it is filling (very important) and it seems cheap at the time. So, taxing junk food isn't the best idea.
 bajabenedik

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Posted: 10/31/2006 2:09:02 PM
I've also read from some notable sports nutrition doctors who think that high fructose corn syrup is to blame for most obesity problems. I guess you need to be steadfast in the poisons you choose to put in your bodies.
 spinner530

Joined: 6/18/2006
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Posted: 10/31/2006 5:33:42 PM
social engineering....not so far removed from Hitler's version of the perfect aryan. I dont like it. I dont like any kind of government getting THIS involved in people's lives. Granted, it must be an American thing, because Im equally annoyed with NYC mayor Michael Bloomberg for banning transfats in foods.

here's the score people = if youre overweight, YOU made yourself so.
 Outdoor2

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Posted: 10/31/2006 7:05:59 PM
Spinner 530:
I agree with you, partly...

I'll go out on a limb here, and say that governments approved these additives to foods...literally millions of them...and now they reap what they sow...obesity is a huge problem.
I'm not saying it's entirely the gov'ts fault, but when approval of such additives are done on the studies and conclusions done by, and paid for, the companies seeking approval...it's got to make you wonder......

Furthermore...when governments crawl back spending on school funding, many junk-food producers offered their "services"..."we'll give you part of the profits"....good corporate governence? Yea, right...it costs pennies a glass to prduce a soda....all they ever look at is the bottom line.

I've heard of several schools literally emptying the machines of junk, and adding fresh fruit, and the like. The kids did protest, but after awhile, they started dropping their coins in!

"Super Size Me"....a film not to be missed...

"Fast Food Nation"

Schlosser states that corporate tax cuts that have compromised school funding have presented many corporations with the opportunity for sponsorship within those same schools. According to sources, 80% of the sponsored textbooks contain material that is biased in favor of the sponsors, and 30% of high schools offer fast foods in their cafeterias. Furthermore, high school student Mike Cameron was suspended from school for an incident on "Coke day"; during a promotional event, the student exhibited a Pepsi t-shirt while he and other students clad in red and white formed the word 'Coke' in the football field that was to be photographed aerially

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_Food_Nation
 cutting_loose

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Posted: 10/31/2006 7:27:17 PM
Biggest problem these days is just about ALL of what people are eating is junk. BIG food is loading everything up with sugar and salt and until we learn the truth about why the obesity and diabetes epidemic will continue to spiral.
 Spagett!

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Posted: 8/24/2009 2:50:11 AM
Well now it is happening in the US of A

I guess that is not enough to warrent its own thread, but anyways here is the article:

LA Times: Nation
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-sci-junk-food-tax23-2009aug23,0,5244082.story


Calls to tax junk food gain ground
A surcharge on cigarettes has helped curb smoking, but will the same tactic work to fight obesity?


Looks like the 'sin' taxes are about to expand. It does feel vindicating (I am a smoker) but alas I do not want to see it happen. Taxation without representation is never a good idea.
 Tarnished_Knight

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Posted: 8/24/2009 9:52:22 AM
The problem is not so much that junk food abounds, it is that food in general is so unbelievably cheap. Not so long ago food and shelter consumed the bulk of a person's/family's income. Now days food, adequate shelter, and adequate transportation can consume less than a 1/4 of anyone's income - and that's with the government being able to conscript half of one's income already. When food, shelter, transporation is so relatively cheap we use more of it: more expensive cars, larger houses (yes, I have a large house), and more food.

Until people get a grip on the fact that we do not have to spend everything we earn in a mad race toward instant gratification the obesity epidemic will ocntinue. Those folk who think the answer is to tax the he11 out of everything, are part of the root cause of this issue.

People need to learn self control. Setting up national health policies or socialized medicine will not provide a cure - it will only place an artificial restriction (RATIONING) on access to appropriate health care. Allow the free market (which we only have a shadow of here in the states) to regulate society's health. Lowering health insurance rates for those in voluntary better health and bumping rates for those who would rather smoke, eat themselves into an early grave, don't exercise, etc.

And yes, those who've maintained a healthy life style and yet reap the results of sucky genes (piss poor protoplasm as we liked to call it) would be grandfathered in on ins. rates. Because on average folk who take care of themselves require less health care and live better lives.

By allowing the individual to decide what's in their best interest, the market will then provide the basis for health care resource rationing.

TK
{Socialism if for the weak, the weak get socialism}
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