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| Global warming will devastate economy: report Posted: 10/30/2006 10:59:41 PM | source:
http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/TopStories/ContentPosting.aspx?feedname=CTV-TOPSTORIES_V2&newsite mid=CTVNews%2f20061030%2fglobal_warming_061030&showbyline=True
Thought this was interesting...
now that an economist says it...watch people start taking it seriously. Politicians and big business CEO's sure don't understand the science, but they'll understand $7 trillion bucks...
Unchecked global warming will devastate the world economy on the scale of the world wars and the Great Depression, a major British report said Monday.
Sir Nicholas Stern, the report's author and a senior government economist, said unchecked global warming could shrink the global economy by 20 per cent -- and cost a whopping $7 trillion in lost output.
However, taking action now would cost just one per cent of global gross domestic product, Sterns says in his 700-page study.
British Prime Minister Tony Blair, who introduced the report today, called for "bold and decisive action" to cut carbon emissions and stem the worst of temperature rise.
He said the Stern Review showed scientific evidence that global warming was "overwhelming" and its consequences "disastrous."
British Treasury chief Gordon Brown, who commissioned the report, said the U.K. would lead international efforts to tackle climate change and establish "an economy that is both pro-growth and pro-green."
Stern's report is seen as the first major effort to quantify the economic cost of climate change -- and the first major contribution to the global warming debate by an economist, rather than a scientist.
"Our actions over the coming decades could create risks of major disruption to economic and social activity, later in this century and in the next, on a scale similar to those associated with the great wars and the economic depression of the first half of the 20th century," he writes.
Consequences
If no action is taken, says Stern, up to 200 million people could become refugees as their homes are hit by drought or flood from rising sea levels.
Further, up to 40 per cent of wildlife species could become extinct, and melting glaciers could cause water shortages for one sixth of the world's population, the report says.
"It is not in doubt that, if the science is right, the consequences for our planet are literally disastrous,'' said Blair.
"This disaster is not set to happen in some science fiction future many years ahead, but in our lifetime.
"Unless we act now ... these consequences, disastrous as they are, will be irreversible.''
Stern's solution
Despite the gloomy forecast, Stern said he is "optimistic" that if the world powers act "strongly and urgently," the effects can be minimized.
"Whilst there is much more we need to understand -- both in science and economics -- we know enough now to be clear about the magnitude of the risks, the timescale for action and how to act effectively," he said.
Stern said the world must shift to a "low-carbon global economy'' through measures including taxation, regulation of greenhouse gas emissions and carbon trading.
Brown said former U.S. Vice President Al Gore, who has emerged as a powerful environmental activist and spokesperson, would advise the government on climate change.
Brown called for Europe to cut its carbon emissions by 30 per cent by 2020; and 60 per cent by 2050.
He also said the British government is considering new "green taxes" on cheap airline flights, fuel and high-emission vehicles.
The "green" initiatives, he said, provide an opportunity "for new markets, for new jobs, new technologies, new exports where companies, universities and social enterprises in Britain can lead the world".
Stern's report is expected to increase pressure on the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush to step up its efforts to fight global warming. The Bush administration never approved the Kyoto climate-change accord.
Stern is a former chief economist of the World Bank.
thoughts? comments? please...especially from the people who still have their head up their ass and think that human-caused global warming is a "liberal scare tactic"... | |
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| Global warming will devastate economy: report Posted: 10/30/2006 11:40:44 PM | I think humans only change when they have to. It looks like now that we've stuck our fist up our ass we're actually thinking about taking it out before it reaches our elbows.
What a great, great, thing, to be running out of fossil fuels.
Does anyone here think the earth is a living entity? I personally do, and I admit, it's somthing that is beyond my comprehension. But I always wonder, taking into consideration the possibility the earth is a being, what are things such as oil, to this "planet" that has sustained us and given us life?
You know, I know some people will read this and think, oh, the earth isn't alive that way. But consider the beliefs that mankind has had in his past that are now proven to be false. It really wasn't that long ago that our species believed the earth to be flat. And didn't people die because they said the earth orbits the sun? Think about it, what ideas do we take for granted as fact, that could be absolutely dead on wrong? | |
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| Global warming will devastate economy: report Posted: 10/31/2006 4:34:39 AM | Ever since mankind overcame its fear of fire and plucked a burning branch from some natural fire, learned to till the soil, and domesticate animals, for the last 8000 years we have been steadily influencing the world's climate, and there are enough studies done to confirm this from way back.
From the beginnings of the Industrial era, we began accelerating these changes, by befouling our 'nest'..and even I am old enough to remember driving through the 'dark, Satanic mills' of UK..steel producing towns burning coal by the tons to produce steel for manufacturing goods..places where the sun didn't show through the pall of smog for days at a time.
I also remember being laughed out of class for questioning where all that went, and how long it would be before it didn't 'disperse into the upper atmosphere and boil off into space' as was the currently held theory at the time. No doubt many still subscribe to that theory, hence the complacent attitudes of many today.
Yes I have always considered the Earth to be a living entity..Mother Earth and Mother Nature working in harmony to be precise, I have NEVER accepted the idea of some Male entity being in charge of Here and the hereafter. Humans are a part of the natural cycle, and I am forever getting into 'discussions' with those who have the mistaken idea that we exist apart from the rest of Nature and that we are no longer 'animals' in the sense applied to the other beasts that walk the earth In my mind it is this 'arrogance' that has brought us to the unsustainable consummerism civilization we have built for ourselves, which is now spreading globally.
And THIS is something we need to be equally..or far more concerned about in my opinion..we cannot continue to rip the earth's resources out the way we are doing without both Mothers calling a halt to it all in some manner we are NOT going to like..or be able to do much to control once it happens.
I seem to remember a scientific convention where Iassac Asimov, and Arthur C Clarke discussing whether the limited and finite resources of planet earth were enough to either a) produce enough polution to make all human life extinct, or b) not quite enough by some Cosmic plan, and they would run out just before that happened. or c) the Earth would rebel at some point, and plunge us back into simple, savage living by some massive adjustment..such as a pole shift..ie the tilt of the wobble earth has moving the poles to the equator as appears to have happened many times before.
Yes action is needed, but the ban aid solutions being trotted out are too little too late..but governments are seizing upon the idea of introducing new legislation , new controls, new taxes etc to 'do something about the problem; in our best interests...mainly to ensure that whatever our income is, there will be less disposable left , and our freedoms will be even less to dispose of it anyway.
At this point I am awaiting the bright idea of an 'air tax' to be introduced..one that taxes the amount of air going into a vehicle, and the amount of poluted air it emits..much the same as the majority of cities have pulled on water metering..closely followed by a similar one on people no doubt!
Keeping people's attention focused on 'Global climate change' is helping to keep their attentions away from even more serious situations looming on the horizons...over use of resources..water, arable land, and the subsequent calamities that will bring about. Yup..for the religious sector..here come the Horsemen of the Apocalypse drought, famine disease, and War...the same pattern as has happened throughout history.
And just to dispel the idea I am yet another doom and gloomer spouting off..*grins*.. Have a nice pray!
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| Global warming will devastate economy: report Posted: 10/31/2006 10:18:06 AM |
I seem to remember a scientific convention where Iassac Asimov, and Arthur C Clarke discussing whether the limited and finite resources of planet earth were enough to either a) produce enough polution to make all human life extinct, or b) not quite enough by some Cosmic plan, and they would run out just before that happened. or c) the Earth would rebel at some point, and plunge us back into simple, savage living by some massive adjustment..such as a pole shift..ie the tilt of the wobble earth has moving the poles to the equator as appears to have happened many times before.
I am hoping for "b", but I think "a" is just as likely. | |
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| Global warming will devastate economy: report Posted: 10/31/2006 10:42:08 AM | | Yup, it's a sad fact that we're raping and polluting the Earth but face it, we're going to keep right on doing it! Are you ready to give up your computer, TV or anything else made of plastics? NO. Neither am I. Yet we all know how poisonous burning plastic is. Imagine putting your face over the smokestack of a plastic factory! Gonna quit driving? Neither am I! Truth is, we're gonna poison the Earth until our dying day or the Earth's, whichever comes first. | |
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| Global warming will devastate economy: report Posted: 10/31/2006 11:18:53 AM | Hey all........
In the early '70's Time had covers on their magazine about how the earth was cooling at such a rate that we were headed to another ice age. YES, the earth is warming, and then it will cool again.... its a natural cycle that has happened as long as it has been around.....
There is a lot of garbage that we produce that has cumulative effect, because it doesn't decay quickly enough, and that type of polution should be STOPPED IMMEDIATELY! However, there are some things that we could do to help ourselves that we don't just because of political correctness, and the green movement itself. For example...... Nuclear power..... France, of all people, is almost all nuclear powered, and they have developed systems to re-use or regenerate the "waste" to where it is so miniscule as to be insignificant.... Now why do we not do that? I fine it hard to believe that the green movement doesn't like France, after all, they are a model of what the greens want in a society......
Another question, why is everybody so STUPID to think that the oil we use came from dead dinsours....... have you ever actaully considered how many dinosours it would take to make one barrell of oil? Try this: Take a bunch of meat and bones, put it in a blender, and see how much juice you get.... Seeing how they say plant matter also contributed, throw in some lettuce.... And how about at least giving us a THEORY AS TO HOW THAT MESS BECAMSE OIL...... At least with evolution, there is a theory. And how did they rascally 'ol dinos get to the bottom of the North Sea, where they are how many THOUSANDS of feet under water? Why is it that wells that have been left dormant for 20-30 years all of a sudden are producing again? Why is it that we now know tht we have more oil reserves tht we've ever had, and the date where we are supposed to run out of oil keeps getting pushed back?
We have been making great strides. As a matter of fact, evil 'ol GM is now offering a great deal of their vehicles with the capability to use E85, so for an ititial investment of about $1800.00, you can make your own fuel for about $.85.00/gallon... Thats right boys and girls, legal moonshine still in your own back yard................. whos to know if you run off a batch of high quality white lightning every so often. YEEEEHAAAA.....
So, stop with the doom and gloom. If you want something to worry about, worry about the evil in the world that is trying to eliminate some of us, and control the rest. This issue is just a straw dog. If you want to see who is really polluting, go to China, or any other 3rd world country, and you will see the difference..
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| Global warming will devastate economy: report Posted: 10/31/2006 12:50:51 PM |
In the early '70's Time had covers on their magazine about how the earth was cooling at such a rate that we were headed to another ice age. YES, the earth is warming, and then it will cool again.... its a natural cycle that has happened as long as it has been around.....
Was it the climate scientist that were saying that? Technology is more sophisticated today than in the 70s. | |
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| Global warming will devastate economy: report Posted: 10/31/2006 1:06:15 PM | The prolbem was that they looked only at the small drop in temperature in he Northern hemisphere (which was caused by soot from smoke stacks that were actually heating the upper atmosphere..if memery serves me.
As for making oil from dionasurs, it doesn't come from dinosaurs, it comes from plants. Lots of plants buried under sediment, pushed underground by geological processes and "cooked" into petroleum. The method is undrestood quite well. It has been estimated that every year we burn the equivalent of 80(?) years worth of Earth's forests. The number escapes e but it was appallingly big. That is take the forest we have now. BMurn them all, imagine they pop back the next day. burn them all again. Repeat that every day for 80 days and that is how much energy we are using from fossil fuels...
If you want to read a good book, I would suggest The Weather Makers by Tim Flannery. | |
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| Global warming will devastate economy: report Posted: 10/31/2006 1:09:05 PM | Hey Jerry........
re: msg. #7
Please, please, look up the old covers and see the articles, you will see that it is the same NUT CASES that predicted $5000.00/ounce gold, global death and anarchy by the year 2000...... I always thought that they were hoping to have a self fullfilling prophecy come true... Oh, yeah, science is much better now, so it changed everybody's mind from cold to hot...... And why is it that EVERYBODY is exempt from things like the Kyoto agreement EXCEPT the US......... Don't tell me its because it is the US that is the biggest polluter...... Could it have something to do with the fact that if we were to shackle ourselves to that agreement, it would be a death blow to our economy? Heres a conspiracy theory for you...... one that actually is TRUE..... All of the old gaurd socialists who tried to take down the USA during the cold war are now on the "GREEN" band wagon.... OOOPPSS, thats not theory, thats FACT...................... I wonder why????
PK | |
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| Global warming will devastate economy: report Posted: 10/31/2006 1:14:07 PM | you will see that it is the same NUT CASES that predicted $5000.00/ounce gold, global death and anarchy by the year 2000......
What was this wide ranging branch of science called that predicted metals prices, politics, mortality AND climate?
Nephrology?
And why is it that EVERYBODY is exempt from things like the Kyoto agreement EXCEPT the US........
Cite?
Heres a conspiracy theory for you...... one that actually is TRUE..... All of the old gaurd socialists who tried to take down the USA during the cold war are now on the "GREEN" band wagon.... OOOPPSS, thats not theory, thats FACT...................... I wonder why????
Ahhh.. you've been reading Nancy Luft. | |
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| Global warming will devastate economy: report Posted: 10/31/2006 3:31:01 PM | Hey late.....
Do yourself a favor and find out where one Michael Segeyevic Gorbacov is today, and what he is doing........... I am sure that you would probably think that his ambitions are very laudable......
PK | |
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| Global warming will devastate economy: report Posted: 10/31/2006 4:39:09 PM | why is it that EVERYBODY is exempt from things like the Kyoto agreement EXCEPT the US......... Ahem..... the USA never ratified the Kyoto Protocol. They are not subject to it. So, it would seem that the USA is exempt from "things" like the Kyoto Protocol. Which is the part of the agreement that has all the commitments to reducing Carbon Emissions.
All the Kyoto Agreement does is allow the sharing of information on Global Warming. Well, that is what I got from it, anyway.
Could it have something to do with the fact that if we were to shackle ourselves to that agreement, it would be a death blow to our economy? That is still open to debate...... but if the Americans apply their ingenuity to the cause, it might not.
Just out of curiosity, aren't the Old Guard Socialists dead by now? | |
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| Global warming will devastate economy: report Posted: 10/31/2006 4:57:11 PM | Hey Mikel......
re: msg. #12
Kyoto is way more than just an information sharing piece...... If thats all it was, why would those who swear by it be going so apoplectic that the USA hasn't agreed to abide by its stricures? It would place stricter standards on the USA than just about anyone else, because they are just "developing nations", which would adversly affect our economy, etc. As far as where the old gaurd socialists have gone...... well, you must be new to this forum, so read on, brother, read on..... and your question will be answered.
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| Global warming will devastate economy: report Posted: 10/31/2006 5:32:03 PM | Hey tm
re: msg. #14
I ignored your orignal suggestion to google nancy luft, as I know who she is..... Are you saying that you are using her as an information source? Believe me, all of the conspiracy theories on this forum bring you and most of the hate USA crowd a LOT closer to the reknowned Nancy Luft than to me..... As far as where the old socialist gaurd is.... you need to look up where Gorbachov is and what he is doing, I said that in all sincerity, and if you don't know, you will be amazed, at how correct I am........
PK | |
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| Global warming will devastate economy: report Posted: 10/31/2006 6:24:00 PM | I suppose I would make Poshrat look like a cheery optimist.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5381456.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/6099272.stm
http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,1892518,00.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6101110.stm
and then we have the US using Iraq as an excuse..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6068274.stm | |
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| Global warming will devastate economy: report Posted: 10/31/2006 7:02:33 PM | Let's see, the two causes he champions
The Earth Charter's inclusive ethical vision recognizes that environmental protection, human rights, equitable human development, and peace are interdependent and indivisible. It provides a new framework for thinking about and addressing these issues.
Oh, ...pure evil
Green Cross International: Promotes legal, ethical and behavioral norms that ensure basic changes in the values, actions and attitudes of government, the private sector and civil society, necessary to build a sustainable global community Prevents and resolves conflicts arising from environmental degradation. Provides assistance to people affected by the environmental consequences of wars and conflicts.
Must be Satan himself!
A conspiracy against the U.S. economy maybe?
I ignored your orignal suggestion to google nancy luft, as I know who she is....
That figures.
Are you saying that you are using her as an information source?
On the contrary, you and her share the same reasoning, and devotion to fallacy in your discourse, I suspected you were channeling her.
Believe me, all of the conspiracy theories on this forum bring you and most of the hate USA crowd a LOT closer to the reknowned Nancy Luft than to me.....
"The Hate USA Crowd"?
See what I mean?, this is a typical Nancy Fallacy, ...it's like:
"The Special Sputnik Forces"
Same ploy, fools nobody, ...well not those capable of reasoned discourse. | |
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| Global warming will devastate economy: report Posted: 10/31/2006 7:56:44 PM | Sigh...
Hiya Paul. This is mainly aimed at you, as you seem to be taking up the 'woe is the U.S. and all who pick on her' side on this one...
First. It's 'Gorbachev'. While I'm not sure what your point is about him, let's assume for a moment that the liklihood of his being the rosetta stone for clarity on this issue...is small when the guy referring folks to him can't spell his name right.
Secondly. Kyoto has 'exceptions' to its requirements...those who aren't signatories. That would be the US...and India and China, I believe are the others. For those who have signed, like Canada, many are not meeting the emissions reducing goals. The United States...one of the largest energy consumers on the planet, haven't signed up...because it would end up making gas cost more. Period. It would end up being expensive and you'd have a gallon of gas going for 4-6 bucks. Kinda like it is in Europe, for example.
Simply put, it has not got stricter standards for the U.S. or any western country. It is asking the countries to reduce their emissions to what amounts to the levels they had in 1990. Developing countries, by the way, are often worse polluters than anyone else, because they're still using coal etc. much more. But you knew that, didn't ya, brother...
People are p!ssed that the U.S. is not signing it for the following reasons:
1. the US is the richest country in the world, in many respects, and crying poor about how much it would cost its citizens (an extra fifty bucks a week to fill their SUVs) is a bit offensive to the rest of the world who recognize the need to reduce greenhouse gas and are doing so on the backs of their much less well off citizens.
2. The government of the U.S. trumpets studies about how global warming isn't happening, and is not caused by man-made industry. The rest of the world, when it does basic research and finds out that these studies are funded and often carried out by oil companies, tends to view this as, well, at best stupid and at worst...criminal. Let's not even get into the fact that it's hard to really pay attention to the U.S. government trumpeting the 'sciences' at all when its leader believes the earth was created by god, in a day, and that dinosaurs and humans walked the planet at the same time.
3. After d!cking around with this issue for years, as more and more studies are produced by reputable scientists beholden only to the pursuit of knowledge (rather than, say, a share price)...the U.K. produces an economists report of the potential costs...and whoops. We're talking about it again. And they're still not going to sign.
But here's why we're not mad...
1. Countries that have signed, in the western world, are almost all woefully behind in their work and are not going to meet targets. Even if your government had made a half hearted signature on the thing, assuming George W. had a crayon colour he liked and managed to sign his name correctly...the US would be just as woefully behind.
2. Your country is suddenly clueing into the fact that the republicans are dangerous. We're looking forward to a balance in the senate and congress. We're REALLY looking forward to Obama in 2008 (at least, we're hopeful).
3. Your gas will go up. The rest of the world is working on patents for cleaner energy solutions (and frankly, gobbling up patents that your citizens will pay through the teeth to use in a few years, which would likely have been avoided had you put more money into green energy) and SUVs will become a memory like the boats you drove in the seventies. You will be inheriting a crushing debt repayment problem that will make your economy almost entirely dependent on importing energy and energy solutions. Given that you'll be forced to pay market rates at that time, it will likely all even out.
The report that has just come out, as an aside, outlines the many variables that we're already seeing in our weather and environmental patterns. It predicts costs...some that will affect North America directly (rising sea levels, more devastating climate 'anomalies') and otheres indirectly (hundreds of millions of displaced refugees from the poorest parts of the world).
If only 10% of the possible costs come through to appear on our radars...that holds enough financial wallop that it will be necessary for every country to spend .1% of its GDP on climate change. That's the estimate.
The US is currently spending 4% of its GDP on the military. Not including the 400 billion Iraq is costing. If it reduced that by .1%...it would do a world of good...literally.
In the event that your nation manages to extricate itself from the quagmire it has in Iraq, and let's the world hopefully rebuild there (although no one's really getting their hopes up on that front)...if the US government spent that amount of money on green energy solutions and improving emissions/greenhouse gas reductions...it would likely solve the problem.
Which is both a reason for the world to be mad at the US but also a reason for hope.
So vote early, vote often, but most importantly...for chr!ssakes, vote democrat. | |
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| Global warming will devastate economy: report Posted: 10/31/2006 8:01:49 PM |
Stern said the world must shift to a "low-carbon global economy'' through measures including taxation, regulation of greenhouse gas emissions and carbon trading.
There you have it. Global warming is just another excuse to get people to agree to have their taxes raised. | |
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| Global warming will devastate economy: report Posted: 10/31/2006 8:03:04 PM | Well, you've got your real efficient extinction events like asteroids, or lighting off frozen methane from the seabed...then you've got your slo-mo extinction events like mankind....
Arnold just signed a CO2/GHG bill in California, its as much about economic development as anything...and I'm OK with that.
If there is a solid economic analysis out there...great...capitalism is just made to solve these problems (and turn a tidy profit!)
Kyoto was also supposed to instigate emissions trading as a way to reduce GHG, and that will probably happen with/without Kyoto. Even though the US did not sign, many States are looking at "carbon taxes", e.g California. Unfortunately all the GHG reductions that Kyoto signatories would like to see are totally blown away by the expected growth in coal-fired electricity in China...so its gonna continue to get worse before it gets better.
Even tho the US did not sign Kyoto, don't think for a second that the US Government does not agree that GHG is an issue...plenty of DOE/DARPA money out their looking at CO2 capture, Alternative Fuel development, etc.
Put Homeland Security and a business opportunity together and everyone will "follow the money".... | |
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| Global warming will devastate economy: report Posted: 10/31/2006 8:21:58 PM | Hi Woodrow,
No real argument with anything you said in your post....and I will be voting Democrat.
Some tactful Canada bashing though, economic development in Alberta sure is doing great from all the Hummers we are driving "down south". Canadian Oil Sands are going to suck in something like $90 billion in capital investment in the next ten years, not to mention the resulting billions/trillions? in petro sales to the US...and considering the amount of CO2 generated by producing your oil you guys will never come close to meeting GHG reduction targets.
That being said some good CO2 capture technology might be the ticket. (And with all the money you are going to make on oil sands maybe you guys can afford to fund it too!)
I'd much rather see our oil coming from Canada (& Mexico) than from anywhere else...surprised that Cheney did not find WMD in Edmonton.... | |
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| Global warming will devastate economy: report Posted: 10/31/2006 8:30:29 PM | Hey man, yeah, don't get me started on the Alberta thing...
Let's be clear, Canada is as bad (or worse) in its environmental record as the united states. What's worse, as a smaller country, it should be easier to fix than the US.
The oil sands are the west's cash cow...and no one in our government wants to mess with that. There are many (including me) who feel that if there isn't a reasonable way to extract that oil in an environmentally sound way, it shouldn't be produced.
Unfortunately, that's gonna be a long time coming without regulations from government and a higher price of gas.
There is the technology out there to do it, you're right. What it will take is punishing companies with $$$ who do not spend the money to outfit properly.
For example, in the US many construction companies who use diesel have been buying a new catalitic converter that reduces emissions by 90%. California especially is buying them, because, while expensive at first, in that state it's the law.
It's a Canadian company that owns the tech...they sell 99% of their products to the US. Sigh.
Environmental health, pollution etc...it can not be self-regulated by industry. It needs to be held accountable to laws, and laws that can be and are enforced. When this is done, by the way, the spin off money from the tech to do it usually makes up for the extra costs of buying it by a magnitude of 100s. But try telling that to the oil and energy execs.
And, oh, if he does ask...do us a favour and tell him Edmonton is a little village outside Baghdad...he'll never know the difference, and I doubt he'll check. | |
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| Global warming will devastate economy: report Posted: 10/31/2006 8:45:24 PM | " 'In the early '70's Time had covers on their magazine about how the earth was cooling at such a rate that we were headed to another ice age. YES, the earth is warming, and then it will cool again.... its a natural cycle that has happened as long as it has been around.....'
'Was it the climate scientist that were saying that? Technology is more sophisticated today than in the 70s.' "
Exactly! This was already explained in another thread dealing with climate change. DO try to pay attention!!! The computers used today for climate modelling make even the fastest computers of the 70s look like pocket calculators, so obviously we have a much better idea of the overall picture. Anyone who seriously thinks humans aren't affecting the climate has an extreme case of cranio-rectal insertion syndome.
"Another question, why is everybody so STUPID to think that the oil we use came from dead dinsours....... have you ever actaully considered how many dinosours it would take to make one barrell of oil? Try this: Take a bunch of meat and bones, put it in a blender, and see how much juice you get.... Seeing how they say plant matter also contributed, throw in some lettuce.... And how about at least giving us a THEORY AS TO HOW THAT MESS BECAMSE OIL......"
OOPS!! SOMEbody sure put their foot in it! Oh, and by the way, Einstein, it's not a "THEORY." If you want to know about the process by which prehistoric plant/animal matter became oil, may I suggest you READ A FREAKIN' BOOK!!!!!!!! | |
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| Global warming will devastate economy: report Posted: 10/31/2006 10:10:05 PM |
If you want something to worry about, worry about the evil in the world that is trying to eliminate some of us, and control the rest. We are worried, but he'll be out of office in two years, and his party is losing control. As for the planet, everybody agrees that it is warming faster than it ever has in recorded history. Reguardless of what is causing it, the question is what are we going to do to lesson the effects. | |
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| Global warming will devastate economy: report Posted: 11/1/2006 4:49:59 AM | Well Pyro, you could perhaps get the Earth Saving ball rolling.
Get rid of your car, don't heat your house in Winter and quit using electricity..That's it, all it will take! | |
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