| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 11/26/2006 6:52:47 AM | | OKay I've heard alot of people discussing the fact that they don't want their children vaccinated because they are scared it might lead to autism. The vaccine they seem most afraid of is the one at 18mnths. At my school we have a health nurse come in and I asked her about it. She told me that 18mnths is usually the time autism shows up and is not associated with the vaccine. I was just wondering is anyone else has heard of these vaccines causing probelms. | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 11/26/2006 7:07:30 AM | I have never heard of that. But One thing i Know, autism is not related to vaccin.
If that was the case, there would be a lot more kids with autism. But i doubt it has to do with the 18 month vaccine | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 11/26/2006 7:13:19 AM | | they have actually stopped the 18month shot over here.... the vaccination from 12months will hold over to 2 year shot.... stopping it had nothing to do with autism.... i can look into it and find the letter that states why... but then i would be sorting thru piles of paperwork at 1am in the morning...lol... | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 11/26/2006 7:14:01 AM | http://www.medpagetoday.com/InfectiousDisease/Vaccines/dh/3669
Here is a site i just found with some info on it.
don't know if this could help | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 11/26/2006 7:17:05 AM | | I know that the vaccine does NOT cause it. I was just wondering if anyone has heard of any meds that may cause problems in children. That way before i use them i can look it up to make sure i have the facts. Thanks though you guys. | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 11/26/2006 7:25:48 AM | ill give ya the list of vaccinations that they are spose to get from 2months onward.... it is done differently here im guessing.... and they are easy to look up... as i have done it myself to see what the medical shortened term was....
ill do it first thing in the morning.... i think i remembered where my sons chart is he only just got his 4 year ones.... oh actually....lmfao... how sleep deprived am i.... i think it was the 2 year shot they stopped....lol... again... will look into it for ya.... | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 11/26/2006 8:55:53 AM | | In this day and age, it is ridiculous to avoid vaccines! Children, and adults need these to fight off the infections and diseases out there. | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 11/26/2006 12:25:07 PM | | There is a strong correlation between vaccines and autism. Does the mercury in some vaccines trigger autism? That is the billion dollar question that the pharmacutical industry refuses to investigate. Many parents of children with autism feel the mercury in vaccines has something to do with the onset of autism. Until you see a child go from being completley normal (talking, social, functioning) to completley non-verbal (not talking and normally not responding) and not functioning a few weeks after immunizations, you should not state it is rediculous. My son will not receive a vaccine with mercury in it for any reason. He has an exemption for medical reasons and I wish he had never received any immunizations containing mercury. | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 11/26/2006 1:22:01 PM | The research I've been reading the time which they are most concerned is during the 8-12 months shots... They are suggesting that it's not the mercury in the shots... As they stopped using that in the early 90's.
What I've been reading is that it's the shot itself is what's having the effect. Essentially the immune systems of these children are not developed enough to take on the vaccine and it in turn causes some direct Brain Damage to the child.
Most parents I know... myself included, somewhere between 12-14 months we started to notice a withdraw in our children... they were developing fine up till that point in time.. and then all of the sudden they start to shrink into their own little world..
18month is the earliest that most professionals can diagnose the problem, as it's the earliest point in time where allot of behavours can start to be less attributed to late bloomers, and more a mental defect problem.
I myself agree fully with the research as it makes allot of sense... During the same process for allot of these children their digestion system also takes a hit, and doesn't develop properly...
Which is why the GFCF diet is starting to gain allot of ground. There is an excellent YouTube thing on the GFCF diet were a guy breaks it down into the simplistics... And explains the biology allot more..
The largest questions that most people have now... Which Vaccine is it... And why is this vaccine causing the problem for only roughly 1-2% of the entire population.. You don't simply stop giving the vaccine based on such a small number... and the fact that it might be a risk..
One thing to note about parents thinking about the vaccinations... Not trying to stop you... But the age they say for the vaccination are the EARLIEST time in which they can be given... Doesn't mean waiting a year is going to have an adverse affect on the child. | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 11/26/2006 1:30:12 PM | yes i can say that after my sons double shot in the legs at age 9 months or so...his development slowed to a halt.
at age one i noticed his walking....crawling was delayed as was his speech. You take a giggly normal baby and then all of a sudden a light turned off. I was left with a screaming head banging pissed off toddler. He had zero speech until age 18 months or so. It wasnt until i learned sign language that he started coming around.
hes now age 5 and doing great....hes a chatterbox but has alot of sensory issues and is on the autism spectrum.
When he was age 2 we tried to connect the dots and figure out what happend...we even mentioned the immunizations, but theres no solid proof.
But.. at around the shot time and then onwards....things DID CHANGE | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 11/26/2006 1:37:11 PM | I have a cousin whose oldest is autistic, when they had their 2nd child they didn't hesitate to vaccinate him either.
I work in a hospital for sick children and have saw the results from mild to profound with kids that have not been vaccinated. If you choose not to vaccinate you are playing russian roulette with you children's lives.
JMO as I have saw the results both way. | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 11/26/2006 2:16:05 PM | heres the schedule they have over here.. i dont know it is the same else where... but you can google what the shots are and do some research on them....
personally i never had a problem with it.... the only one i had was the 2month shot and my son got very sick and formed mastocytoma on his leg.... they cant prove the shot gave it to him.... or it was a combo of being sick and the shot... although my sons cousin on his fathers side has autism but he had very early signs of it before the 2 year shot... he also had kidney problems...
i think medical researches should have shown proof before saying this and that is the cause of getting something and there should be more research into it.... so parents that dont know alot about it dont freak out and think their kids are going to get it if they do something... besides... why do some kids get it and not others... that is what they should be looking into.... coz if it they are saying getting vaccinated is a cause of it then every child would have it.
http://www.medicareaustralia.gov.au/providers/programs_services/acir/current_immunisation_schedule.htm
Birth
Hepatitis B
2 months
Diphtheria
Tetanus
Pertussis
Polio
Hib
Hepatitis B
Pneumococcal (refer to note 1)
4 months
Diphtheria
Tetanus
Pertussis
Polio
Hib
Hepatitis B
Pneumococcal (refer to note 1)
6 months
Diphtheria
Tetanus
Pertussis
Polio
Hib (refer to note 2)
Hepatitis B (or at 12 months)
Pneumococcal (refer to note 1)
12 months
Measles
Mumps
Rubella
Hib
Hepatitis B (or at 6 months)
Meningococcal C (refer to note 3)
18 months
Varicella (refer to note 4)
4 years
Diphtheria
Tetanus
Pertussis
Polio
Measles
Mumps
Rubella
Note:
Pneumococcal vaccine is funded under the NIP for children born from 1 January 2005.
Four doses of Hib vaccine are due at 2, 4, 6 and 12 months of age when 'PRP-T Hib' containing vaccine is used.
Meningococcal C vaccine is funded under the NIP for children born from 1 January 2002.
Varicella vaccine is funded under the NIP for children born from 1 May 2004. | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 11/26/2006 2:30:54 PM | my baby just got his 4 months vaccine this week.
But here is the vaccin chart we have here.
BIRTH
Hepatititis B
2 MONTHS
Hepatitis B
Pneumococcal
Diphtheria
Pertussis
Tetanus
Polio IPV
Haemophilus
4 MONTHS
Pneumococcal
Diphtheria
Pertussis
Tetanus
Polio IPV
Haemophilus
6 MONTHS
Hepatitis B
Pneumococcal
Diphtheria
Pertussis
Tetanus
Polio IPV
Haemophilus
12 MONTHS
Measles1
Mumps1
Rubella1
Varicella1
Meningococal C
18 MONTHS
Pneumococcal
Diphtheria
Pertussis
Tetanus
Polio IPV
Haemophilus
Measles1
Mumps1
Rubella1
4-6 yrs
Diphtheria
Pertussi
Tetanus
Polio IPV
14-16 yrs
Diphtheria
Pertussi
Tetanus
that's the chart we have here in N-B | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 11/26/2006 3:00:14 PM | | If these vaciness were safe why would there be so much controversy over them? i gave my son the normal vacciness Diphtheria, tetanus, polio when he was born he has never received the 3-in 1 measles mumps and rubella that was offered as these are the ones linked with autism. the government save money by mixing them up altogether rather than givin them individually thats the main problem id be fine about it if they was to do this seperately the safer way at the end of the day its whats cheaper for them not whats safer... | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 11/26/2006 6:51:03 PM | Lovely:
That actually don't know which vaccine it would be that is causing the Autism to Fire Up... So to give them seperatly or together makes no difference... The only difference I could see is if they were each given about 2 months apart... To allow the body time to fight off each one indvisually...
But on the same coin... What if it's the actual vaccine... not the time in which they are giving it.. Could be the tetanus shot is whats triggering it... And no matter which time you give it, it will still have an adverse affect.. Like and allergy..
But when only currently 1-2% if that are actually developing Autism as a result of the vaccination... Then it makes no sense to stop the current practice... You don't change something to affect on;y 1% of the population.
The main argument about the Autism and Shots being linked is the timing... Not so much how they are delivered.. Be it all them in 1 swoop... or a little at a time.. But they ae arguing more about the Age at which we are giving them.
But again... Until we can figure out which one is doing it... Or which combination is doing it... There is no clear cut way of figuring it out. | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 11/26/2006 8:44:18 PM | The ones that I see unfortunately are ones where the kid's did not receive their pertussis, pneumococcal, and the meningococcal C. Without the first 2 vaccines the kids could end up in intensive care on a respirator, and without the 3rd you meningitis..which can lead to severe long term brain damage.
Not to be morbid but just stating what I see on a too frequent basis that a vaccine could prevent. | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 11/26/2006 9:16:11 PM | Redheaded:
Exactly why we should not stop our current way of doing things... Simply because there is small link.. Unless the link can be shown to be deffinate between the vaccines and Autism I encourage each parent to make decisions based on their beliefs..
Personally I would wait on the shots... I would get them.. But I would wait... But also make sure my future child is also in an environment that limits contact, like in a Daycare setting.. to bring down the chaces..
There is no full proof system to say that even the vaccinations even work like they are supposed to just because you get them... Just greatly increase the chances that you will not gain these diseaes..
On a side note... One of the other reasons the link is being made to Vaccinations is that in countries where the vaccinations are not being done... The number of reported Autism cases is significatly lower..
The research also is quick to point out that in allot of these countries they also don't have the proper records to make a conclusive corrilation.. But on the surface there does seem to be one.. | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 11/27/2006 8:44:35 AM | | My son is almost 15 and last week had 2 vaccines in school, one Meningococcal C and the other was Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis. My son is neurotypical (my other 2 are diagnosed with ASD) and I have to say, after this past week, none of my children will ever have a multi vaccine shot again. My son came home after school feeling tired and weak, he couldn't eat and went to bed early, which is very unusual. He woke me at 3:30am by being violently sick. He was rushed into the hospital once I realized this was not a case of the flu. (Good thing I kept the Vaccine cards where I saw them that day), he was admitted, given several IV's, plus several shots to help him stop throing up. His fever shot up, his face redder than a beet, and even with meds, he could not stop being sick. The doctor checked on him 3 times and was very concerned about him. He told me sometimes these vaccines can overload a child enough that they contract what they are being vaccinated for! He was released Wedneasday, and is just today (Monday) returning to school. I spoke to Public Health regarding this and they said that children with developmental disabilities have a higher risk than children without...I then informed them my son was neurotypical. I work in an Autism Centre that deals with over 500 families and I have seen some frightening stuff (as well as extremely positive) and more and more we see parents questioning these multiple vaccines. If I had it to do again, my children would never have had the MMR, I would have insisted that they break them down into single dosage needles (yes they can do that). My midle son was perfectly fine until his 18mo needles, and afterwards, he was sick for 7 months, lost 11lbs and his hair fell out, all without explaination by the MANY specialists he saw.....I know alot of families who feel the same, with similiar experiences.....just my experience with it. | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 11/27/2006 5:37:06 PM | | Due to my his father's religious beliefs my son did not receive any immunizations until around the age of 4. I had a normal child who was social and verbal. Then the doctor's decided to play "catch up" with his immunizations. My son regressed, stopped speaking, and withdrew. 3 months later he was diagnosed with autism. Do I think immunizations have anything to do with the onset of autism? YES! Can I prove it? No. Autism normally presents in children between 18 months and 3 years. My son was developing normally until he was 4 and was given the immunizations. My son now has an immunzation exemption and will never receive another vaccination. When I have another child I will be very selective of what immunizations he receives. | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 11/28/2006 3:47:28 AM | | Yes... I have a friend with an Autistic son and YES.. it is believed but not proven that Vaccines may have a connection... | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 11/28/2006 1:35:32 PM | | Someone mentioned that you can get the vaccines seperate, as in not all mixed together in one shot. Do you still get them all the same day or do you wait in between the shots? Wondering if its a certain shot that MAY cause the autism or if its because they are all mixed together?? ANy ideas? | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 11/28/2006 2:18:56 PM | i would rather my kids have a small risk of autism than a small risk of contracting a deadly diease that could kill or leave them with severe brain damage or other complications.
also those that dont vaccinate their kids have a risk of spreading a deadly diease to other kids who were vaccinated but recieve large exposure to the sick child.
IMO its irrisponsible to not have your kids vaccinated because it could lead to the death or many childeren who go to daycare or school with your child.
also autism rates are going up worldwide even in countries that dont vaccinate so for me to skip vaccinations i would have to see very good proof and not just a case study or two that claim vaccinations are at fault for autism with no cause or proof just corralations. | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 11/28/2006 5:56:38 PM | iamdude:
Your right there is no hard proof as of yet... However though just because you get the vaccinations doesn't mean you still won't contract the disease either.. Vaccinations are given to allow the body to build up a natural immunity.. Some people will still get the diseases, even after the shots...
There is no 100% fool proof method to prevent a disease from occuring.. Also myself I don't suggest not doing that at all... Just waiting a little bit before giving them.. The times lines given on the Vaccines are the Youngest Age at which a child may receive it...
If waiting an extra 6 months will allow my child's immune system to become built up enough to then take on the vaccination, so be it.. Actually Autism rates in countries where Vaccines are not given are usually diagnosed at a later age...
Meaning it still does lend credit to the Vaccine idea... As a Vaccine in essence is the disease in such a small quantity, and sometimes dormant, as to allow the body to build up a natural immunity to it..
These kids in under developed nations who are becoming Autistic... More then likely contracted the disease... A stronger version of the what the Vaccine is... And it could be argued that it is the disease itself that is triggering the brain defects that lead to Autism.
One thing to note here to though.. Children in nations where Vaccinations are not carried out as standard practice.. Are actually developing autism in a lesser Per capitia of their population... Then in countries like Canada and the US where current stats put it at 1 in every 166 kids... | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 11/28/2006 5:59:35 PM | takeu2funkytown:
The vaccines can be broken down into seperate shots, and you'd get them with a length of time inbetween each shot. It takes longer for the vaccines to all be administered, but it is not so overwhelming for the child's immune system. I know of several pediatricians who did not have their own children vaccinated at all. It is something worth checking out if it is a concern. | |
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| vaccines=autism?????
Posted: 11/28/2006 6:08:36 PM | | Thank you bossy. So is it the vaccines being mixed together that may cause the problems? or is it only one of them? | |
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