| Do USA have hooligans in the stands?
Posted: 12/1/2006 4:04:13 AM | Im from Norway and we have some trouble from time to time on the terraces. England and Holland have the worst set of hooligans.
Do you have something simular in the US? At baseball, football, basketball or hockey?? | |
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| Do USA have hooligans in the stands?
Posted: 12/1/2006 5:46:06 AM | | Very, very,very rarely! The whole terrorist thing,made security absolutely, ridiculously tight! When you enter an American sporting event now,security and police,are everywhere! I think the most common misconduct at any American sporting event, is streaking! If you don't know what it is. It's when you run across the playing field,naked! When you watch on T.V., you know when someone streaks. The camera man,acts as if ,it's his first day with a camera. He quickly moves to nothing interesting at all,and the announcers say something along the lines of,"yup,he got tackled pretty quickly"! I can't recall ever seeing a group of hooligans on T.V.,for any sport in America. But then again,they won't show stuff like that alot on T.V.,because they consider it, to be encouraging future events like that to take place. I have a question. What is the point of being a hooligan? | |
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| Do USA have hooligans in the stands?
Posted: 12/1/2006 6:26:32 AM | The whole hooligan thing just exists in Europe or South America. There is no such things as hoolingans in North America. I remember going to a soccer/basketball game back home (Uruguay, South America) and the fans were/are hardcore, they have their own chants for the team, not one or two, but at least 10 of them (usually to the tune of a popular song). And if my team lost an 'important' game i know for a fact that after the game is done something is going to happen, ie. fights outside the arena, fights with the police, 'fans' screaming or trying to punch players.
I have no idea why its so different but I guess that it has a little bit to do with the fact that in North America the 3 major sports are more like businesses, while back home or in Europe sports are a little bit more of a tradition (while still being a business).
That's just my 2 cents. | |
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| Do USA have hooligans in the stands?
Posted: 12/1/2006 6:33:44 AM | I heard some roumers about some fans in the hockey league and when texas meets philadelphia. But thats just roumers. A streaker is more like a clown.
The point of beeing a hooligan is probobly the kick you get from the meetings and stuff. Nowdays it much more common with fights in soccer wich is arranged by two group of hooligans. But that wasent the case before when people got provoked if they loosed a game and started pounding on the other sets of fans. Of course it still going on, but i think its more organized these days.
But is it like no trouble when new york yankees meet new york jets in a game?? Or do they never play? what about the away fans? Do you have many thousands of travelling fans to away matches or is it just fans on the home games? | |
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| Do USA have hooligans in the stands?
Posted: 12/1/2006 6:51:45 AM | It's completely different, usually no away fans (unless it's a super important game) but not like you see at the Champions League or stuff like that.
The Yankees and Jets don't against each other cause Yankees are a baseball team and Jets are football, the Yanks do play the Mets but its not like say a game between Rosenborg & Brann or something like that. | |
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| Do USA have hooligans in the stands?
Posted: 12/1/2006 7:08:07 AM | | If you want the biggest rivalry, in The United States sports? Look no further than ,The Red Sox(Go Sox) and the Yankees! Baseball. America's past time. It's our equivalent,to your Soccer. Or,used to be anyway. When the Sox came back from a 3 game deficit, to tie the series, with the Skankees,in the 2004 American League Championship...we got a taste of American hooligans! A woman from Boston,was killed by police, with a shotgun beanbag to the eye! They were partying hard in the streets of Boston! Riot police everywhere! A man from New York(rooting for the Sox)was shot and wounded,by a discruntled Yankee fan! Many,many,fist fights broke out that night! Then we finished the Skankees off in game seven! We heckle eachother's players. We have the occasional fights,but even those are rare,and most often only during the playoffs! | |
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| Do USA have hooligans in the stands?
Posted: 12/1/2006 7:29:57 AM | I ment the Mets  But its not any fans from Mets on Yankee stadium if those two teams meet? And how come a local derby like that dont set fire on some feelings in the stands?
Getting confused when I know that parts of New York are so dangerous that you even cant take a walk there in fright of getting killed. But when it comes to a local derby between two sets of fans that have tousends of fans, nothing happens? hehe...very strange!!
Rosenborg vs Brann is ok, but when Brann meets Vålerenga all hell breaks loose  | |
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| Do USA have hooligans in the stands?
Posted: 12/1/2006 7:47:45 AM | Often the most violence in sports in the US happens after some team wins a championship. The city of the winning team usually has to deal with at least one night of rioting fans, burning trash cans and overturned cars. But at the games themselves there is less conflict. Very tight security at any big event in the US these days. If anybody gets out of hand they are quickly escorted out. Also it is difficult for visiting fans to travel to many road games/matches because of the size of the US. Not really practical for NY fans to travel to LA 3000 miles away for a game.
We have our rivalries and fans of different teams do often despise one another but rarely does it resort to violence. Strange phenomena if you ask me. We Americans generally are a bit more violent than most people so I find it odd that we don't really tolerate hooliganism. Seems like something we would embrace. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2006 8:02:26 AM | Yes its strange, but nice to see you have controll over that kind of violence, at least Maybe a story for Michael Moore to follow up?
As you say, USA is big. But dosent New Yorkers live in LA? Or dosent LA have some Yankee fans? Its a long way from the north of Norway to the south(two hours by airplane). But the northerns manage to get 1000-1500 people in games played in the south. And its only 4.5mill living in Norway.
Newcastle had a number of 7000 fans in Milano when they played Inter Milan in the Champions League some years ago
But I get the point about the lenght of travelling. The thing that I dont get if isent away fans from Mets on a yankee game. | |
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| Do USA have hooligans in the stands?
Posted: 12/1/2006 9:03:21 AM | Professional sports have priced themselves out of reach for many Americans. To take a family of 4 to a pro baseball game if you live next door to the stadium would likely cost you(w/ food, drinks, etc..)would upwards of $500....much more if you had to travel far and pay for parking.
There are fans spread across the country. I am a fan of the American football team in Miami. I live in Virginia about 1000 miles away(1600km). I've never been to a game in Miami but have seen my team play in Washington and Baltimore.
I would guess maybe at a normal game maybe 10-15% of the fans are visiting fans. You don't pick fights in an unfamiliar city when you're outnumbered 10 to 1.
Mets & Yankees are a little different as they only play one another occassionaly(different leagues). There is most definately competition but some reason we seem to able to keep our rivalries from getting violent most of the time. | |
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| Do USA have hooligans in the stands?
Posted: 12/1/2006 11:05:55 AM | USA do not really have hooligans.
as Martin perfectly says north american sports are clearly business with no away fans,whereas here in Europe it is a tradition where you see religion and political matters involved in it,that explains the hate and despize amongst rivalries.also you see lots of supporters travelling to the rival stadium even if it is on the other side of the country.
you can not compare any north american match to an european one.one of the best football rivalries in the world that a person will ever see is Glasgow Rangers vs Celtic Glasgow,there is a lot of despize with religion involved in it (Catholic and Protestant).another great football rivalries with no comparision are Manchester United vs Manchester City,Liverpool vs Everton,Tottenham vs Ar$enal and of course the great spanish rivalry with Barcelona facing Real Madrid and many more and let us not forget the turkish,argentinian and greek rivalries which are very strong too.
by the way,i have heard and read many times that north americans are not loyal fans as they often change from a team to a different one and do not really have a loved club.that is not possible here in Europe as a supporter of,say,any english,german or spanish club will never love any other club,even if the club sucks and never wins.in fact a loyal supporter is one who is side by side at bad times.it runs through the veins.ask Nottingham Forest or Queen's Park Rangers,lmao | |
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| Do USA have hooligans in the stands?
Posted: 12/1/2006 11:20:24 AM | "you can not compare any north american match to an european one."
You've never been to any NA match of any sort so you don't really know this to be true. We have great rivalries here....passionate ones....passed down from father to son. The fact the we choose not to fight over our teams fortunes(or misfortunes) is no indication that we have less passion for our teams. Most NA don't just switch favorites on a whim. A few do.....but they are jusr casual fans who go with whoever is the best at the time. Most hardcore fans, whatever the sport, are vigorously loyal to their club. You appear to have fallen victim to believing another American stereotype, pedro.
We do not generally, as a rule, let religion and politics invade our sports world. So I guess your statement regarding the Glasgow/Celtic rivalry is valid. But don't assume we have no loyalty. I'm 38 and have followed my NFL team since I was 5. My buddy is a fan of the NFL team in New Orleans, has been for some 20 years. They are a dismal club. Only an handful of winning seasons in their 40 yr existance. Yet every game in the 70,000 seat Superdome is filled when they play.
"also you see lots of supporters travelling to the rival stadium even if it is on the other side of the country."
It's alot easier and cheaper to travel all the way across Spain, the UK, or any other European nation than it is to traverse the US. We're a little bigger.
Think about it. Would pro sports in the US have become the hugely successful entity they are today if there was no fan loyalty or passion. Our leagues are paying salaries that are comparable to the highest paid footballers in the world. Could we afford to do that if there was no fan loyalty and passion. You've said many times that futbol is the world's biggest sport and that only NA's care about our sports. If our sports have 1/10 th of the fan base futbol has, how could we afford to pay our athletes that way if we had no fan loyalty or passion.
We love our sports.....we just don't fight about them much. We have enough other things to fight with each other about. | |
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| Do USA have hooligans in the stands?
Posted: 12/1/2006 12:25:02 PM | Its a very interesting topic.
when you think of England, you think of friendly people who seems very nice. They say 'pardon' 'im sorry' 'mypleasure' and small things like that on a regular basis if you talk to an englishman. And they hate beeing rude to other people. They always want to help.
BUT you have the worst hooligans you can imagne. I have been to a few games over there and it can be really rough at Millwall, Cardiff, Portsmouth and Hull matches. these are just teams ive seen. But you find them everywhere in the football league, every singel saturday. And the lower in the league you get, the harder and more common is the violence.
Then I see in the US. People can be more rude and have very strong openions, and many dont want to hep at all if you are lost somewhere. They have a lot of crime and are alone on top with people killing each other. But when it comes to sport nothing happens.
I find it very facinating. | |
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| Do USA have hooligans in the stands?
Posted: 12/1/2006 2:28:28 PM | I think one of the more significant reasons is the dominance of season ticketing for college and professional events.
If an individual instigates a violent incident, they will often lose their seats for the season, with no refund. THat's several thousand $ lost in most cases. I know if you lose your seats for my hometown team, the Green Bay Packers, you have to go to the end of the waiting list. Which means your children may have the opportunity to buy season passes 20 years from now.
Alcohol sales are frequently restricted too. Booze is great fuel for hooliganism. | |
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| Do USA have hooligans in the stands?
Posted: 12/1/2006 5:23:44 PM | | there is no "hooliganism" in the USA as it is known in Europe......the violence that sometimes occurs is usually unplanned and limited to small groups of pple.....one of the reasons for this is that in the USA, sports is considered a form of entertainment, much like show business....it doesn't mean that rivalry isn't taken seriously by the fans, it just means that it isn't taken Personally!!....in Europe, soccer is used as a cultural or regional identity base, so if someone is bad-mouthing your team, they are basically insulting your identity or your ALTER-ego!.........this has nothing to do with the sport of Soccer itself, but in Europe, Soccer just happens to be the medium by which these feelings are expressed!! | |
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| Do USA have hooligans in the stands?
Posted: 12/2/2006 9:49:04 AM | Cavalier,
when i talk about north americans i do not refer to 100% of people,of course there must be many people loving their favourite clubs.what i say is that the feeling is not the same and that is the plain truth.not only religion is involved in the Glasgow rivalry but in many other matches.i remember another scottish game with Celtic facing Dundee at Dundee stadium,at the beginning of the match the referee asked for 1 minute silence because of The Pope's death (Celtic is a Catholic club) and suddenly Dundee's supporters started shouting,screaming and insulting during the 1 minute silence as they are Protestant.i am quite sure that it would never happen in USA!
another fact which shows the difference between Europe and North America is that most of european teams,above all of football,are very old,coming from the middle and the end of 19th century so it is logical that those teams are more deep-rooted amongst the people.
i think that i have not fallen victim to any stereotype as i have seen and read many times how often americans have changed their favourite clubs,even i saw a man who changed to a new team because his favourite player moved to the new team! PLEASE! WHAT A LOYALTY! if my favourite player moved to a another team i would say to him "F.UCK YOU!" that is because we love the team and not the player.
let me tell you what happened some years ago when the player Figo moved from Barcelona to Real Madrid.during a match at Barcelona stadium with 100000 spectators Figo was about to kick a corner kick and someone from the spectators threw him a pig's cut off head.it was a very serious incident which was showed overseas.surely the person who threw it used to love him but once he moved to Real Madrid.......................another grave incident happened in Turkey with 2 Leeds United's fans being killed.
therefore i am not saying that i like hooligans but that we europeans love our team more than any others,however,that does not mean that other world citizens do not love their teams. | |
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| Do USA have hooligans in the stands?
Posted: 12/2/2006 12:53:34 PM | We very much have that in the US. The higher the level of competition, the worse it gets. In the baseball world series in 1973, the game had to be stopped because the New York Mets were losing and the fans were littering the field. Many times in playoff games the New York fans have thrown batteries, baseballs, tomatoes... anything, at the players.
In the football playoffs about twenty years ago, the San Francisco 49ers were finally beating the Dallas Cowboys in the playoffs after years of getting beaten by them. A 49er fan in the upper deck poured urine on some Dallas Cowboy fans below...
In Oakland, there are home team baseball fans, but in years where the A's aren't doing so hot, many times they're outnumbered by the fans of their opponents, especially when they're playing teams like the Chicago White Sox or New York yankees. It hasn't been that way so much lately, because they've been playing great, but I remember one game when the last batter for the A's hit a walk off home run to win the game. It was a full capacity sell out and before the ball came down in the bleachers, the whole stadium errupted into fistfights all over. I believe this was 1981.
yes... you can get hurt at an American sports stadium. Good to watch how you act.... | |
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| Do USA have hooligans in the stands?
Posted: 12/2/2006 7:01:02 PM | There are a lot of hooligans in US sports. They don't riot like some of the soccer fans do, but there are plenty individual acts of "fans" throwing batteries, bottles, chunks of ice, etc. at the opposing teams and occasionally some fans will run out on the field and assault a referee.
Believe it or not, some of the worst examples here are found not in the pro sports at all, but in youth programs, when some of the parents get upset at the coaches or referees. Several school coaches have been shot and countless others have been assaulted. | |
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| Do USA have hooligans in the stands?
Posted: 12/3/2006 11:50:06 AM | | north american sporting culture has nothing to do with ours.here in Europe any sport is based on cultural,national or regional identity,above all football (soccer for you).sum1reel has explained it perfectly! | |
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| Do USA have hooligans in the stands?
Posted: 12/3/2006 12:02:05 PM | in USA,sports are only a matter of business showing no respect to the supporters.
another fact that i have heard of americans is that once a game has finished,fans of both teams can perfectly have a drink outside the stadium,just like friends showing no despize or insult.that is not possible on english,scottish,spanish,greek or turkish soil,above all when the battles are amongst rivals.the hate explains it all,very simple. | |
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