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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 12/30/2006 4:23:31 PM | I wonder what the women here think of this idea - as it would benefit them directly and honest guys indirectly.
Here it is:
For women, I think prostitution should be legalized because it would:
1. Keep that teenager boy from trying to hump and possibly impregnate your daughter (not to mention the likelihood of breaking her heart when he tires of her)
2. Minimize the sharks on these websites because they could go get laid at will at the corner brothel instead of polluting well-meaning websites like this one containing folks who are genuinely looking for a LTR.
3. For the women who want a hetereosexual relationship but no hetereosexual sex, you can just send the "ol' man" down to the corner brothel when he gets frisky.
For men, I think prostitution should be legalized because it would:
1. Eliminate the temptation to try to be dishonestly opportunistic on websites such as these.
2. When we men genuinely WANT a LTR, men can come on websites like this and the women will know that we are sincere.
3. When the wife tires of your sexuality, you can just go down to the local brothel.
Until the social condition exists where local brothels are commonplace, we are gonna have sharks on websites, a 50 to 1 ratio of men to women on these websites, wives who are sick and tired of their man's sexuality, and husbands who are sexually frustrated (or bored) by their wives.
Fifty percent of marriages fail. God, I wonder why....
Jack | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 12/30/2006 4:56:45 PM | | In this day an age of incurable STDs, then again they had those in the past too, the kind of promiscuity implied by prostitution is almost a death sentance. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 12/30/2006 5:41:37 PM | Quite frankly I think the most important consideration is being overlooked.
The issue of spiritual integrity.
" Using " anyone...regardless of legalities is certainly not in sync with out highest purpose.
Beyond morality, politics and egoic desire the highest choice is always to create peace and joy not to propegate base desires and capitalize on pain based industry.
This is a question based on the illusion of the external.
Then again...if you beleive as I do that everything is infact perfect...those that choose to be involved in prostitution...the buyer and seller if you will...well...it is all perfect for their journey this time around.
There are no mistakes...only lessons. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 12/30/2006 5:53:47 PM | The two main reasons you cant legalize prostitution
1. Men would stop buying women drinks at bars.
..........besides its hard enough for a woman to find a marrying man these days!
...dont even need to list reason two...number one is enough of a travesty in itself. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 12/30/2006 5:55:38 PM | Quite frankly I think the most important consideration is being overlooked.
The issue of spiritual integrity.
" Using " anyone...regardless of legalities is certainly not in sync with out highest purpose.
Beyond morality, politics, and egoic desire, the highest choice is always to create peace and joy not to propegate base desires and capitalize on pain based industry.
This is a question based on the illusion of the external.
Then again...if you beleive as I do, that everything is infact perfect, those that choose to be involved in prostitution...the buyer and seller if you will...well...it is all perfect for their journey this time around.
There are no mistakes...only lessons.
No wear, no wisdom. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 12/30/2006 6:00:52 PM | Now ive given this some thought.
(and my head hurts)
Ive concluded that in our capitalist society...whats needed is a demand for the supply.
If men can fulfill their base desires so easily it eliminates the main root from which springs the nuclear family.
The population shrinks and there is no longer a mass of people for the elite to manipulate
and exploit.
The government wants you to watch tv
go to work
pay taxes
and make babies they can send off to war! | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 12/30/2006 6:08:53 PM | So don't...
You don't " HAVE " to do anything!
Well...taxes ...maybe.
You can create whatever lifestyle you desire.
I have.
We can leave the herd anytime we so desire.
It's all personel choice.
TV..? Checked out of that zone many moons ago.
I choose what I view. Dvd's not network.
You can only be " programmed " if you allow yourself to be.
The " problem " with this world is everyone cries " victim. "
Of the system, of society of economics...nah...it's all in how you think.
You get what you think about the most.
I am semi-retired, live in a beautiful home in the country and never worry...because everything I could ever want or not want...is in my control. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 12/30/2006 6:55:32 PM | | yes, it should be legal, you need an outlet if you can found anyone. its no fun going without. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 12/30/2006 7:33:22 PM | Interesting question:
Sex/making love is a fundamental need of both sexes but today it is used/witheld as a "tool of power".
This mis-use of power is detrimental to society and to the formation of relationships and the nuclear family.
I think that it should be legalized for both sexes. That way it is not used as a "tool of power" by either sex and our fundamental needs are met. That is, of course, until men and woman can communicate in a more loving way than they do now. Then maybe our society will survive.
Flame ON!!!!!!!!
kcoffeecan | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 12/30/2006 7:55:25 PM | The assumption that brothels would eliminate or tame "The Temptation" is unfounded. One could make just as strong a case that brothels would Exaggerate "The Temptation."
Also, this ideology that there should be an outlet for "the temptation" is totally irresponsible. This is similar to how a man might justify Date Rape.
If by some twist of fate you are right about needing societal intervention to cure these problems, it would be better suited to advocate cold showers and putting salt peder in the drinking water.
On the other hand Should Prostitution be legal? I say yes only as a means to generate tax revenue; in turn making prostitution extremely expensive which doesn't quite fit into your paradigm of sending the husband or teenager out to blow off steam. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 12/30/2006 8:59:13 PM | ES138,
I would kindly like for you to expound on how having brothels would exaggerate the temptation. As it is now with the current marketing in our razor-sharp capitalistic society, the temptation is exaggerated by the media. Having access to CHEAP ($20-50?) and SAFE (condoms) brothels virtually eliminates male population's sexual frustration - a frustration that expresses itself in failed marriages and sexual deviancy (such as child molestation and other horrific forms of rape) to name a couple of ugly facets of male-driven sexuality.
Criminal date rape and legalized prostitution... I don't see the connection.
Cold showers and salt peter temporarily (VERY temporarily) stifles sexual urges for some people, so the legend/myth goes. However, those two techniques do absolutely NOTHING to relieve the long-term underlying and undying sex drive of men.
Tax revenue? Yes I believe you are right in that is is the only way prostitution would be legalized; the lawmakers would tax it to death just like they do for other "sins", alcohol, cigarettes, gambling, etc...
What I want to know is how the women on here would feel if their overly frisky man visited the brothel on the corner just to get it out of his system. It would probably eliminate a man's mid-life crisis - "Gotta go sow my oats one more time!" As such, marriages could have a chance to actually survive and not crash as they so often do these days.
Jack | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 12/30/2006 9:13:54 PM | Hi AppleGeek,
I understand your concern about incurable STDs, no doubt. In other (3rd world) countries I have visited where prostitution is legal, prostitutes are checked regularly by a health inspector. In these here United States, you can bet if prostitution was legalized it would be EXTREMELY regulated. By regulated, I mean the health issue would be tightly controlled. I could envision a membership, a membership that enforces condom usage and intensive STD checks on the prostitutes and the "johns."
If conservatives really want to preserve the institution of marriage (which has diminished greatly) they might want to consider this idea. It is better to implement a true remedy to the 50% failed marriages we currently have. Heck, we have highly visible conservatives being hypocrites in sexual matters which makes me wonder what the hidden percentage is of the not-so-visible conservatives.
Jack | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 12/30/2006 9:26:38 PM | Dear Coloma,
Using people is prevalent in our society. Employers use employees. Non-loving husbands use their wives and vice versa. Car salesman use a customer's naivete every day. Many women on websites (intend to) use men and their money on dates. Many men on websites lie and cheat in the hope to use a woman's body and mind to satisfy their sexual needs. At least prostitution is up front and honest.
The negative connotations about prostitution has been engrained in our society's consciousness by the age-old morality play initiated by western religion and perpetuated by "groupthink" by members of the soceity. Groupthink is the phenomenon expressed by a group of any size where all members blindly (and brainlessly) go along with the spoken or unspoken rules espoused by the leaders of the group.
I confess, I don't understand what you mean with the paragraph that says "This is a question based on the illusion of the external. Then again...if you beleive as I do that everything is infact perfect...those that choose to be involved in prostitution...the buyer and seller if you will...well...it is all perfect for their journey this time around."
Respectfully yours,
Jack | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 12/30/2006 9:32:59 PM | Hi waingro909,
I agree with delight: Men would stop buying women drinks at bars. Women DO use men's high sex drive against them and often have them buy the woman drinks in the oh-so-often-futile hope that the woman would go home with them for the night. Prostitution would alleviate men being taken for fools in that venue.
It would make women be honest. It would make men be honest.
If the woman likes the man, she then has to be up front and honest with the man because the man does not have tolerate being toyed with.
If the man likes the woman, the woman does not have to wonder if the guy REALLY likes her of is just acting like he does just for the possibility of sex.
Jack | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 12/30/2006 9:34:38 PM | | BEEN READING SOME OF YOUR REPLY'S YOU GUYS ARE WAY TO UP TIGHT...LOOSEN UP A LITTLE...MAKING BABIES TO SEND TO WAR WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU...OH WAIT YOUR A LIBERAL AREN'T YOU? SORRY I SHOULDA KNOWN. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 12/30/2006 9:42:55 PM | Hi again waingro909,
The demand is definitely there for prostitution. The prostitutes just need to be the women in our society who truly enjoy sex with men.
In regard to the preservation of the nuclear family, I feel that the men who CHOOSE to establish a nuclear family will sustain the tradition of a nuclear family. A nuclear family is a very precious privilege to have, a family state to which one can feel a stable belonging and kinship. Some of us men are "lone wolves" and as such don't care for the nuclear family idea. But if the nuclear family was not such a constrictive idea (some men are mortified to get married - and for good reason!) men would enter into marriage much more willingly. Some men, even those who are transfixed by the groupthink idea that marriage is the ONLY way, nearly lose bladder control on their wedding day.
I agree with you wholeheartedly on your TV, go to work and make babies to send off to war declaration.
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 12/30/2006 10:02:57 PM | Hi Mikus,
I see your race car. Cool. Dirt or pavement? Oval, I presume?
I race dirt bikes in the desert out around El Centro, CA. Came in 5th in the super senior class in AMA District 38.
When it comes to politics, I cannot claim to be a liberal or a conservative. I would hate to think I have succumbed to groupthink on a nationalistic level. 
As Nixon would do ==> 
As Reagan would do ==> 
As Clinton would do: ==> 
As Carter would do: ==> 
Jack | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 12/30/2006 11:48:04 PM | Before I get into the philosophical issues here, there are a couple of things that I feel need be said.
1) It may be helpful to know whether those responding have ever known (and I don't mean have used - just simply be familiar with someone) who engaged in the activity.
2) As for taxes and such, there already exist laws where the activity is taxed: The federal income and employment taxes apply to any profession, legal or not. Illegal income is taxed at the same rates as legally made income.
3) In the United States, there are 10 counties in Nevada where the activity is legal. In the remainder of Nevada and in all other states and territories, the activity is illegal. Here in California, solicitation is a form of "disorderly conduct" (PC 642(b)), pimping is in PC 266h, and pandering in PC 266i. Even if these statutes were repealed, prostitution is still defined among the list of federal "rackets" in 18 USC 1952ff. but might only be considered such if illegal under state/local law (unlike our medical marijuana statute that conflicts with the federal illegal drug schedule).
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Have I ever known...? Yes, I met one once, not knowing that was her profession until she solicited me on our date. There was no second date. I have investigated others, but never met them in a personal setting.
In order for this occupation to be "safe," it would have to be highly regulated. In today's world, practically every level of government in the U.S. is cash-strapped. So, even if it were made legal, any tax in order to pay for said infrastructure to regulate it would probably be so high, no one would want to engage in the profession for financial reasons.
Although I don't have much of an objection to a person engaging in the profession for themselves (where they keep 100% of what they earn; taxes excepted), I really have a problem with those who profit at the exploitation of others (i.e. pimps, agencies, etc.), especially with an activity considered so personal (well, if it weren't, then sex in public wouldn't be illegal either - and the local "dog park" would have the British-fad meaning of those few risk-takers...).
There have been a few organizations seeking legalization - but they've always been a small minority. If they had ever been more, then I'm certain we would have seen a proposition attempt to change the status of the activity. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 12/31/2006 12:52:17 AM | Morality has no place in this discussion. If you want to legalize an entire industry you need to look at the effects it has on society, using more than just the little head.
In order for this occupation to be "safe," it would have to be highly regulated. In today's world, practically every level of government in the U.S. is cash-strapped. So, even if it were made legal, any tax in order to pay for said infrastructure to regulate it would probably be so high, no one would want to engage in the profession for financial reasons.
This is an excellent point. One might ideally think that the cost of the licensure would cover the costs of regulation. How long would it be before states instituted a "sin tax" as they do on alchohol and cigarettes, money that would funneled into other bureaucracies?
The Nevada model to be considered, is seriously flawed, it gives preference to brothels. Yet if preference is given to independent sex workers, it would be an administrative nightmare.
Men would stop buying women drinks at bars. Women DO use men's high sex drive against them and often have them buy the woman drinks in the oh-so-often-futile hope that the woman would go home with them for the night. Prostitution would alleviate men being taken for fools in that venue.
I am sure all women simply live to get drinks bought by randy jerks. There is one solution to some sort of desperate quest for sex. Masturbation. If you think that a hooker is cheaper than a few drinks, you would be mistaken.
Weekly medical testing is not cheap. Therefore if you think $20 is going to buy you anything, you are sadly mistaken. The average percentage taken by the brothel from the worker is 50%, in addition to charging for medical testing and legal registration this would raise the price immensely. Not to mention the cab drivers who bring patrons to brothel get 20% of the take as well. The average person would very likely not be able to afford visits, and married men who sought it would be financially injuring their families. Typical fees in Nevada brothels averaged $300 for a half hour of intercourse and/or oral sex in 2004.
In this day an age of incurable STDs, then again they had those in the past too, the kind of promiscuity implied by prostitution is almost a death sentance (sic).
If you wish to make this statement, you need to look at the research. A study done in Nevada brothels in 1995 showed that the mandated condom usage was effective and prevented the spread of STD's.
Until the social condition exists where local brothels are commonplace, we are gonna have sharks on websites, a 50 to 1 ratio of men to women on these websites, wives who are sick and tired of their man's sexuality, and husbands who are sexually frustrated (or bored) by their wives.
Fifty percent of marriages fail. God, I wonder why....
Interesting to note, the OP is not concerned with women sexually bored and frustrated with their husbands, but this aside... Whoops, Nevada has the highest divorce rates in the nation.
brothels virtually eliminates male population's sexual frustration - a frustration that expresses itself in failed marriages and sexual deviancy (such as child molestation and other horrific forms of rape) to name a couple of ugly facets of male-driven sexuality.
While these crimes are sexually oriented, they are crimes of power and control. They have little to do with "not getting any."
There is a heck of a lot more to look at in this issue that just men deserving to get their rocks off. If that is the only reason you seek to legalize this, it makes men seem little more than rutting beasts with no self control. | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 12/31/2006 6:42:51 AM | Morality has no place in this discussion?
I didn't see that rule...
But I do see a bitter man that is frustrated and has probably been disappointed a great deal.
the lack of sex in a relationship is a signal that something deeper is wrong and usually not the problem in and of itself. Attempting to make yourself feel better momentarily only creates greater distance and lessens the dependence you have with each other.
But this question is more an attempt to express your anger than anything else.
I wonder if you have a daughter, a sister, a mother... that you could see in this new legalized profession you propose? | |
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| Should prostitution be legal?
Posted: 12/31/2006 7:49:30 AM | Americans in general have major hangups with sex,,,anyone who has spent just a little time in europe can see this,,,,its all about sex sex sex here,tv ads,magazines, puter, etc etc etc,on an on.Well sex does sell.If this society in america wasnt sooooo,hung up on sex,,it would be ,,,,,no big deal,,,,,,,,just looked at as a normal daily issue,,well in some cases,weekly haaaaaaa,,maybe even longer issue for people on dating sites,haaaa.And o yes a rutting beast issue,,,,,,,,,o my,,mama what a sexy thought wow,,,Happy New Year,,pofers. | |
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