| Inonsistency in Forum Rules postings?
Posted: 1/7/2007 3:41:38 PM | I've noticed recently that there is some inconsistency between the various forums (and I'll admit I haven't checked every single one, but a sampling) regarding the pinned Forum Rules threads. Also, that they aren't perhaps as prominent as they could be.
In Forum Reviews, "FORUM RULES - Anything Other Than A Review Request Will Be Deleted - CLICK HERE" is prominently highlighted by the red font, but really only contains information relevant to the Review forum. Above that is a link to the "Acceptable Use & Posting Rules FAQ", but it is in normal font and does not grab attention.
In other forums (Relationships, for example), there is the "Forum Posting Guidelines (Threads Deleted??) **Read this BEFORE posting**" thread, which is nicely prominent with bold and red font.
In "Dating Experiences", only the FAQ is pinned, and is not prominent.
And so on.
I just wondered if it would be helpful to have both FAQ and FORUM RULES displayed consistently at the top of all forums, and to make the FAQ more prominent.
I'm not so naive to expect this will ensure that everybody reads them... 
But perhaps if the water is readily available, a few more might drink.
Hope this is helpful and hasn't been covered before. I did a thread search and didn't see it. | |
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| Inonsistency in Forum Rules postings?
Posted: 1/7/2007 4:05:23 PM | Different forums have different needs as to explaining the rules, the links at the top are consistant as they are the Forum Rules and FAQ, these are hotlinks, not pinned posts.
Some forums have either:
Special rules ie: Profile Reviews, that pertain only to that forum.
Further Clarification of existing rules due to subject matter: Politics, News/Current Events, Suggestions Help.
I'm not so naive to expect this will ensure that everybody reads them..
This is why the guidelines are only in the relationships forum, it is at the top off the forum hierarchy, so people tend to start there. Also, all rule threads are cross linked within the posts themselves.
We have tried to strike a balance of visability, and not clogging every forum with pinned posts unless it has proved necessary, some forum FAQs are not pinned, and accessable only via forum search, or the pinned post in this forum. | |
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| Inonsistency in Forum Rules postings?
Posted: 12/21/2007 11:06:41 PM | Tracking down the myriad of rules in these forums is a pain. There are some that are universal to all forums, but trying to remember exactly where they are is impossible. There are thread links here and there and everywhere, scroll down to see post #30 where it was discussed for a minute... two years ago... I can't search the body of text in threads for phrases so...
I think that what would be helpful would be to have a banner link on the Global Forums links page with all of the rules that are universal to each forum (maybe even have a check yes no box for newbies that MUST be checked before they post a single word).
And then each forum's "pinned" post contain only those specific to the thread and are posted at the top of the specific forums.
I've been looking for something and I know it's a universal rule, but I'll be damned if I can find it so I am giving up.
Your members would likely be more inclined to help you out were they able to navigate that information in a more timely fashion.
I don't think that this is a job for the volunteers — it's a lot to ask. I think that if Admin is making as much as he publicly proclaims, it shouldn't be much to ask that he take care of it to make the jobs of his volunteers more pleasant and efficient — with the help and cooperation of the POF community. | |
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| Inonsistency in Forum Rules postings?
Posted: 12/22/2007 12:24:37 AM | I've been looking for something and I know it's a universal rule, but I'll be damned if I can find it so I am giving up.
think that what would be helpful would be to have a banner link on the Global Forums links page with all of the rules that are universal to each forum
The most detailed and global rules thread is listed as the first thread in "every" forum already.
--> Acceptable Use & Posting Rules
Within it, at the bottom, are all the rest of the relevant links, the following being a futher add on for newbies when they make their first pit stop in the Relationship Forum.
--> Forum Posting Guidelines
Any other specific forum guidelines will typically be posted as the second thread, and are just a reminder as to what should be posted in that particular forum if necessary.
In any event, those 2 links plus the Terms of Service/User Agreement which is also listed in the first link above, are it for global policy.
I've been looking for something and I know it's a universal rule, but I'll be damned if I can find it so I am giving up.
try us here, what does it have to do with?
Your members would likely be more inclined to help you out were they able to navigate that information in a more timely fashion.
Not much to navigate really, we could use a bit of house keeping by removing some superfluous links in the Acceptable Use & Posting Rules, but that's about it.
IMO, I could boil it all down with only a few rules that would cut down on probably 90% of the BS put there
1 ------> Search before you post
2 ------> Post to the thread topic only
3 ------> Act like a human being (the civil kind)
................. pretty simple, no?
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| Inonsistency in Forum Rules postings?
Posted: 12/22/2007 12:31:48 AM | lol Well when you put it down that way it IS simple. But I've been banned for breaking rules I couldn't find the link to in the past and it was one buried in a thread and linked somewhere I hadn't thought to look.
Tonight I was trying to find a link to the thread bumping. Maybe because I was looking in the wrong forum (Site Suggestions).
I will go back and look, but it seemed last time that I checked the global forum rules at the tops of forums varied or were in different places.
Hey, notice I did a thread search? Huh? Didja? Huh?
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| Inonsistency in Forum Rules postings?
Posted: 12/22/2007 12:41:27 AM | Tonight I was trying to find a link to the thread bumping.
Acceptable Use & Posting Rules
Forum Spam
Forum Spam is characterized by the Initiation of Threads or Posts that contribute nothing to a *Forum, be it "Off-Topic" or "On-Topic". Examples include: empty Messages, Messages with few words that have no relation to the current Thread or Discussion, and those Posts that state they are Spam, either to annoy or increase a Member's post Count. This Determination is made by the Administrator or *Forum Moderator.
It could also be obnoxious Posts, such as *Bumping a Thread*, Chatting, Smilies or Weblinks "only", esp. on an ongoing continuous Basis, connections with Surveys, Contests, Pyramid Schemes, Chain Letters, Junk E-mail, Announcements, Public Notices, or even large Quantities of Off Topic Replies.
Hey, notice I did a thread search? Huh? Didja? Huh?
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poster .... (ahemmmmm !!)
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| Inonsistency in Forum Rules postings?
Posted: 12/22/2007 1:12:50 AM | There are some that are universal to all forums, but trying to remember exactly where they are is impossible.
As Moderator late™ already explained above, the Acceptable Use & Posting Rules are at the Top of every Forum Hierachy.
think that what would be helpful would be to have a banner link on the Global Forums links page with all of the rules that are universal to each forum (maybe even have a check yes no box for newbies that MUST be checked before they post a single word).
They are Admin Pinned Posts subject to Change from Time to Time and are in Place as they pertain to that particular Forum. They should be visible at the Top as a Poster enters that Forum.
As Moderator late™ has stated above ---> "We have tried to strike a balance of visability, and not clogging every forum with pinned posts".
And then each forum's "pinned" post contain only those specific to the thread and are posted at the top of the specific forums.
They already are.
I've been looking for something and I know it's a universal rule, but I'll be damned if I can find it so I am giving up.
That's completely ridiculous.
It takes but a brief Tour of the Forums to note where Help/FAQ and Rules are located, and if you can't be bothered to make a Mental Note of it, then chalk it up to laziness or other whining BS.
The Acceptable Use & Posting Rules and FAQ are right at the very top of every Forum Category, and include all other pertinant Links to the Forum Posting Guidelines, Forum Moderators and other Help Links.
And as has also already been indicated above, the Forum Posting Guidelines can be found in the Relationships Forum where most Users start reading and posting. At the top of the Plentyoffish Site/Suggestions/Help you will also find the pinned FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS Thread, where you can search for Answers yourself.
If you have any Queries, are unable to find something or need help with a Problem, Moderators are there to answer your Questions. And even further, many specialized Information Threads are cross-linked which further expedites the Knowledge Base and streamlines the Search.
Further, you can use the Site's Search Functions to look for your Query:
I don't think that this is a job for the volunteers it's a lot to ask.
We've been doing exactly that since Day 1 ... the Research never ends how to best serve the Userbase and moderate these Forums in the most efficient Manner possible.
I think that if Admin is making as much as he publicly proclaims, it shouldn't be much to ask that he take care of it to make the jobs of his volunteers more pleasant and efficient with the help and cooperation of the POF community.
This Type of Forum is custom designed and based, tailored to this Dating Site specifically. The Admin has chosen Moderator Personel with extensive previous Experience constructing, managing and moderating Forums in other Quarters, and we know exactly what it takes to expand these Forums through the ceiling. All old Hat. As such we help and assist him to achieve these Objectives.
Feel free to make any non-redundant Suggestion in the Help Section.
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| Inonsistency in Forum Rules postings?
Posted: 12/22/2007 1:17:12 AM | It takes but a brief Tour of the Forums to note where Help/FAQ and Rules are located, and if you can't be bothered to make a Mental Note of it, then chalk it up to laziness or other whining BS.
Sure thing. Thank you for the feedback.
Edit:
Perhaps you read part of that wrong, Ticket. I already know that the specific forum rules are posted IN each forum. I wasn't suggesting you add them.
My suggestion was for the main page to have a link to the global rules.
The rules view varies from FAQ to FAQ. And the information in the top of the poetry thread is different from others etc.
That is what I find somewhat confusing and if you think I'm being lazy or whining for pointing it out and making a suggestion that might get you more help, that's fine. It wasn't my intention to offend.
I wasn't posting a redundant subject. I did a search, pulled up the thread, read the OP and made a suggestion. I promise it will not happen again. | |
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| Inonsistency in Forum Rules postings?
Posted: 12/22/2007 1:33:44 AM | Sure thing. Thank you for the feedback.
There are a lot of Rules, fortunately or unfortunately that's what it takes to administer these Forums. There is still a lot of Work to be done, esp. in Terms of Codifications, Linking and updating previous References. Its been slow, but coming together a Bit at a Time.
 | Its a 'Walk in the Park' today compared to what it was Years ago.
Every Avenue has been put into Place to facilitate better Oversight.
But there is no Reason to give up.
If you can't find something, all you need to do is ask. |
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| Inonsistency in Forum Rules postings?
Posted: 12/22/2007 1:40:51 AM |
But there is no Reason to give up.
If you can't find something, all you need to do is ask.
I have no idea how many messages you Mods get a day. That's not something I'd be interested in bugging anyone about, since I know it's out there somewhere, hence my suggestion.
I think what's offending me more than anything is that at your behest I attempted to contribute and show that I gave a damn and you got your back up. | |
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| Inonsistency in Forum Rules postings?
Posted: 12/22/2007 1:41:28 AM |
But there is no Reason to give up.
If you can't find something, all you need to do is ask.
I have no idea how many messages you Mods get a day. That's not something I'd be interested in bugging anyone about, since I know it's out there somewhere, hence my suggestion.
I think what's offending me more than anything is that at your behest I attempted to contribute and show that I gave a damn and you got your back up. There's no reason to flame someone for trying to help. | |
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| Inonsistency in Forum Rules postings?
Posted: 12/22/2007 1:43:00 AM | That is what I find somewhat confusing and if you think I'm being lazy or whining for pointing it out and making a suggestion, that's fine.
It could be said you found yourself swatted with 'ye 'ol Paintbrush.
Ears always ringing a little from the Voices of those who have labeled themselves "Self-Disabled" and need to look yet for something else to rationalize their Victim Status ...
I wasn't posting a redundant subject.
I know, nor was that stated.
Consider I was being a Touch emphatic that all you need to do is ask.
I gave a damn and you got your back up. There's no reason to flame someone for trying to help.
Giving up instead of asking is ridiculous. |
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| Inonsistency in Forum Rules postings?
Posted: 12/22/2007 2:16:19 AM | Tonight I was trying to find a link to the thread bumping.
Virtually all TOS, Forum Rules & Posting Guidelines can be found in these (4) Four Links:
Then use your Browser's Search Function, enter what you are looking for ---> Bump and you can't help but come across the Reference if it exists in no Time at all.
It took less than 2 Minutes to search all 4 Threads.
Further, using the Site's Search selecting the "Plentyoffish Site/Suggestions/Help" Thread to look in, you would have come across this Thread ---> Thread title bump algorithm
Here is the rule thread that would be perfect on the main forum menu page.
Most Forumites are Readers, not Posters.
But whenever you make a Forum Reply Post you will see the following:
Not following the rules will result in you being banned and your account deleted.
Rules Listed HereYou may not create more than 3 new threads per day. |
| At the Bottom of that Page, you can click on all the applicable Forum Rules, Posting Guidelines, TOS, etc. |
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| Inonsistency in Forum Rules postings?
Posted: 12/22/2007 4:55:25 AM | Giving up instead of asking is ridiculous.
On that note, I will say that there is room on the upper left of center on the Global forum menu for the link I suggested and ask if it would be difficult to add. | |
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Posted: 10/9/2008 2:07:06 AM | I find the forum rules confusing also. And I haven't found instructions for nominating a thread for deletion. There is apparently a small community of old time users on this site who know how to do this and they request deletion of thread topics they have read in the past before newcomers ever have a chance to read a thread on that topic.
How do you request deletion of a thread? | |
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| Inonsistency in Forum Rules postings?
Posted: 10/9/2008 2:20:50 AM |
Not much to navigate really
You have a hundred paragraphs of rules and regulations that are difficult to navigate.
And, on the general rules page, I cannot find how to suggest deletion of a thread that does not follow the rules. | |
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| Inonsistency in Forum Rules postings?
Posted: 10/9/2008 4:44:07 AM |
I cannot find how to suggest deletion of a thread that does not follow the rules.
Couldn't help overhearing your conversation there alana, and I hope I'm not speaking out of turn...
But! You're in the right place already!
Right here in the 'Site Suggestions' forum is a thread called "ADMIN: Forum Rule Violations Report Thread". It floats up and down the page, but it's in red so it's pretty easy to find. You can report (and be anonymous to the general community) any problems there.
There is also a feature, in most forums and the threads therein, that allows deletion of a NEW thread by that forum community, for various nominated reasons. I think you have to have been a member for a certain length of time though, or have made a certain number of forum postings, before you'll be able to see the 'Delete this thread?' box.
Cheers &... flame away! hahahaa | |
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| Inonsistency in Forum Rules postings?
Posted: 10/22/2009 2:37:55 PM | | I've noticed there are some bullys on this forum that insult people all day long and then as soon as one of their victims insults them back, the bully goes running to the moderator and ask that the victim be banned, and the moderators accomodate the bully. Why don't the moderators look at what the complainer has been saying all day long and ban them instead of the victim? | |
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| Inonsistency in Forum Rules postings?
Posted: 10/22/2009 2:42:33 PM | Moderators have yet to master the whole omnipresence thing therefore if violations are made within the forums with a maximum of 3 moderators at the moment some 90+ forums yes a lot of moderation is down to members reporting the violations.
If violations are not reported then yes they may not be discovered. If you consider this unfair or bias then the answer is simple. Report the violations. If you are one that refuses to report violations then you must also accept that sometimes this will not always be a fair system.
However, moderators do have the ability to spot the members abusing the violation reporting system for their own petty agendas.
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