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| Social Services - Abuse of Power?
Posted: 1/18/2007 10:36:22 PM | Hi Everyone, This is something I would like your opinions on...
In the UK (and also North America) the SS ask compliant judges in SECRET family courts to authorise the (often permanent) removal of children whom they consider to be merely "at risk" of either "physical abuse "or that ever so vague concept " emotional abuse". OUR Social Workers,like gypsies claim to forsee the future,and based on their forecasts, often backed up by highly paid "experts" boasting the same gift of foresight, children and even newborn babies are brutally removed and given for adoption to strangers thus avoiding this "risk".Parents of course cannot defend themselves against these expert "forecasts".Criminals are punished for crimes they have committed,whilst UK parents (and their children) are punished (often for life) for faults that social services believe that they might commit in the future!!NO WONDER IN EUROPE THEY THINK OUR SOCIAL SERVICES ARE COMPLETELY CRAZY !!
In the UK even perfect mothers are at risk of having their babies snatched at birth.Social Services only have to find some allegedly violent incident in the past of the baby's father and the mother loses her baby to the adoption industry even when in many cases she knew nothing of these allegations when she fell pregnant. More often than not, the father was never charged by the police, let alone convicted of any offence.Hard to believe? Well this happens far more often than you would think! It means in effect that EVERY MOTHER IN THE UK is at risk of having their newborn baby "confiscated" by the "SS" if the father has some episode in his past that maybe the mother knew nothing about when the baby was conceived ! Also battered women,parents with mild learning difficulties, parents who let their houses get dirty or even merely untidy on just one occasion,parents who take their child to the doctor or to hospital "too often", parents whose children are too often "late for school",parents whose children suffer minor injuries from an accident where police are either not involved or who bring no charges whatever, and even parents whose only fault is that they dare to insult or show disrespect to social workers , all run the risk of seeing their children,and even their newborn babies snatched to meet the adoption targets .
By IAN JOSEPHS.
I have had dealings with social services, as many people have, but what I just cannot understand is why?
Why do the seem to only target the vulnerable?
Why do we hear of children being murdered by parents despite SS involvement?
Why are the correct support tactics not put in place to help families?
Why do social workers not help those who need it most?
Please do comment, all resposes be they for or against are appreciated, Thanks! | |
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| Social Services - Abuse of Power?
Posted: 1/18/2007 10:43:34 PM | Why would anyone want to delete this... it may be something someone wants to post on!
Maybe your a social worker and you dont want the truth to be known? is that it? | |
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| Social Services - Abuse of Power?
Posted: 1/18/2007 11:58:26 PM | ^^ I have had dealings with social services as have many people^^
Well I haven't had any dealings with social services and I'd be horrified if a social worker came knocking on my door
Don't quite know where you've got all that bumf from, but I can assure you, that in this day and age, that social workers dont take people's children off them willy nilly, wherever possilbe they try and work with the families in order for them to keep their children, safely, at home, whether it be through a family support centre, CAFCASS, triple p parenting course etc etc | |
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| Social Services - Abuse of Power?
Posted: 1/19/2007 12:33:20 AM | ^^^^^^^^ Totally agree with the latter part of the above post
In this country, it is very very difficult to remove a child from an abusive household. It is done only in the most extreme cases where there is proven severe abuse. The child has to be in danger before social services step in.
There are mistakes made, obviously, but this will always happen. In my opinion, there needs to be far more education for Social Workers. Virtually anyone can work in this field and you can even train "on the job". There are extremes from one end of the scale to the other
Have to point something out about the first part though
Well I haven't had any dealings with social services and I'd be horrified if a social worker came knocking on my door
MANY people ask for help from social services. My sister had a social worker for her son who has Downs. The first one was absolutely wonderful. The second was rubbish to say the least. Matthew had Excema (?? typo?) and this woman reported my sister, saying he had cigarette burns..... See what i mean about education for social workers? My sister was obviously cleared as when social services contacted her, she invited the womans boss to come and see Matt, she did, and couldnt apologise enough to my sister | |
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| Social Services - Abuse of Power?
Posted: 1/19/2007 1:42:50 AM | I disagree with the OP..i was one of those children that "slipped through the system" and despite being in care on and off usually by my dads insistence i was always sent home back into an abusive household and i know someone who despite her expartner being violent when they were together he is still allowed access to the kids and my friend has never had any fear thats SS would take her kids.
I had a social worker when my kids were really small due to my husbands parents wanting custody when he died as they said i was to young to cope with 2 small children but they were amazing, they visited a few times and always let me know that they thought i was coping very well and they had no concerns, they need to investigate if they feel a child might be at risk and i agree with LA that some seem very uneducated in the effects their presuptious actions can have on a family but most are there just to help. | |
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| Social Services - Abuse of Power?
Posted: 1/19/2007 1:55:41 AM | I worked for many years with Social Workers.
What a load of bollox. No one removes a child from a family/parent without a dam good reason. It is not 'one' persons responsibility to remove a child, the amount of paperwork that has to be completed to take a child away is horrendous and although our Social system may not be perfect, it is not there to benefit the Social Worker.
Yes, the system has failed in the past and that is unforgiveable. Some Social workers are useless, however, the back up systems in place make it virtually impossible for serious errors to be made anymore.
Unfortunately, there is a distinct lack of Social Workers. People do not want to do the job any more due to the amount of restrictions placed on them, the fact that they are open to abuse from the less salubrious clients and the pay is fairly poor. However, in an overcrowed adoption/foster/children's home situation, the government and the courts will try their hardest to leave the child within the care of the family.
Me thinks the OP on this thread has got their facts from somewhere/someone who can't be trusted | |
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| Social Services - Abuse of Power?
Posted: 1/19/2007 2:06:25 AM | I came from an abusive family, mentally, sexually & physically. At the age of 14 i took myself down to the SS & asked them to put me into care.
They took me back home, convinced me to return there & promised to visit me in a week to see how i was getting on.
That was the last i saw or heard from them.
The abuse continued & i left home at 15...at 34 i am still dealing with the effects of the abuse.
Social sevices?
They let me down. | |
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| Social Services - Abuse of Power?
Posted: 1/19/2007 7:11:33 AM |
parents who take their child to the doctor or to hospital "too often",
It only takes one visit to dactor who is concerned for the health and wellbeing of a child. When I was about 6 or 7, I ran through a sheet of glass and cut my skalp. The doctor that I was taken to was not our ussual doctor and he called social services. They came round and did a home check to see if there was any substance to the claim, after talking to me and my mum seperately, they deided that it had indead been an acident and thanked my mum for her patience and understanding in the mater.
Throughout they had been polite and curteous, sypathetic and profesional. I barely even realised what was going on, it just seemed like someone wanting to ask me how I had hurt my head, which I was more than happy to explain, being a hyperactive kid. My mum, entialy horified by the intrusion, was quickly reasured that it was just a check up ecause someone had a simply raised a concern and they had to take every concern seriously.
But of course that was back in the early 80's, I have been visited by social services once more since then and it was not so much of a plesant experiance.
At the school that I went to, there was a rather deranged old woman that hated my family for no reason. We did not even know her, had never met her, but she hated us anyway. She began a teror capagin against us, starting with nasty letters and phonecalls and obsene junk mail. The she steped up her campagin b telling social services (in her role as a teacher) that we were coming to school hungry, with no shoes and dirty clothes. social services talked to the headmaster to check if this was true and satisfied it was not, never even bothered us (we only knew because the headmaster told our mum).
When that did not work, she called the police to tell them one of my brothers was selling amphetimines and that our mum was a Pagan. The police came round imediately and arested my brother and tok us to the police station, whilst they serched the house.
Of course they did find amphetimines in the house. A single botle of 1 weeks supply that was prescribed by the doctor to my mum for depresion. The police investigated the drugs alegations and in just a few hours, came to the conclusion that it was bogus. However the alegation of my mum being Pagan was taken much more seriously. social services tried hard all day to get us taken away from our mum for no better reason than someone had acused her of being Pagan. The only reason they failed is because they could not find a judge in Scotland who did not know my mum.
Now I ask you, as social services have shown themselves to be generaly competent and try thier best to keep famils together, in all of the experiances my friends have related to me, and in my past experiance, why was the ting the focused on, an alegation of my mums relgion? What is it that social services find so abhorent and potentialy harmfull to children aboput Paganism?
(I might mention that although I am Pagan, my mum has always been Christian.) | |
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| Social Services - Abuse of Power?
Posted: 1/19/2007 7:34:26 AM | In my opinion, there needs to be far more education for Social Workers. Virtually anyone can work in this field and you can even train "on the job".
I would just like to say social workers train initially for a minimum of 3 years and then every year have to undertake popst qualifying awards to remain registerd by the general social work council ......I have never heard of "on the job training" but whilst studying social work you have to undertake 2 placements in a valid work place setting but your cases are protected and you are heavily supervised ........How much more education can social workers have ? to become a senior social worker amounts to at leaat 9 years training | |
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| Social Services - Abuse of Power?
Posted: 1/19/2007 7:46:07 AM | A Surgeon trains for seven years, yet people stil die of medical malpractice.
All the training in the world will not make someone who abusses power, stop doing so.
If anything, it will only show them how to do so more efectivly.
I think what the OP is trying to get at, is that there are/were a lot of social workers who abused thier postions of power and put families through needless strife, that were backed up by the system instead of prevented by it.
I do not know how the system has changed now but thankfully it has, however this was true of the decades before the 80's. | |
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| Social Services - Abuse of Power?
Posted: 1/19/2007 10:46:37 AM | I am glad that some people have had good experience with social services but I know of one lady inparticular, You can actually read about her on John Hemmings blog.
John Hemming himself states that Social Services are not doing their jobs properly due to Labour government setting adoption targets, which in turn forces social workers to take children for the silliest of reasons, ie being 'too slow' or 'too poor' even being blind was used against one mother that I know of.
The lady mentioned in John Hemmings Blog had a baby boy on the 5th, 8 hours after he was born, social workers attempted to abduct him, (There were no court papers so if the social worker had taken the baby, that would have been kidnapping) THe case went to a secret family court (infringment of human rights article 6 Right to a fair trial) and she has been forced to hand the baby over, WHY? a failed suicide attempt before he was even of child bearing age. She is now in her mid 30's.
In my own experience Social Services tried to take my children away because I was "As good as dead" after having Grade 3 cancer, after I was given the all clear, my social worker then tried again in a court to have my children taken because "There is always the chance the cancer could return" Needless to say the judge threw the case out stating "you cannot tell if cancer will return, if you were unfortunate enough to suffer such an illness yourself, then you agree that you would want to be parted form your own children"
I have 3 children and I would do anything for them, and that include protecting them from the state.
For those that are certain that children "are only ever taken for a good reason" google
FASSIT and FORCED ADOPTION.
I am always saddened to hear of cases suh as Victoria climbe and Caleb Ness, and many similar because social services were too scred to step in. I couldn't agree more that social workers need protection or their hands are tied, but this does not excuse removing children from happy homes and loving parents for no good reason. I also agree that where there is concern, then social services MUST investigate, as in some cases there is ni need for concern, in many more there is. | |
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| Social Services - Abuse of Power?
Posted: 1/19/2007 10:50:55 AM |
Me thinks the OP on this thread has got their facts from somewhere/someone who can't be trusted
I got the information from a man called Ian Josephs. If ypou google his name or 'forced adoption' you should easily find him. | |
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| Social Services - Abuse of Power?
Posted: 1/19/2007 10:56:08 AM |
Now I ask you, as social services have shown themselves to be generaly competent and try thier best to keep famils together, in all of the experiances my friends have related to me, and in my past experiance, why was the ting the focused on, an alegation of my mums relgion? What is it that social services find so abhorent and potentialy harmfull to children aboput Paganism?
I have heard of this aswell, apperanetly social services like to preach that the parent is 'emotionally harming the child by forcing their views on them' or 'mind control.'
PLEASE NOT HERE I SAID APPARENTLY AND NOT THAT THEY DO. | |
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| Social Services - Abuse of Power?
Posted: 1/19/2007 11:13:59 AM |
In my opinion, there needs to be far more education for Social Workers. Virtually anyone can work in this field and you can even train "on the job"
I agree with this in a way, I feel that maybe the training should be better and more intensive, not longer, Life experience is always a good point in being a social worker as they have experienced many hard times themselves, which can give the social worker an insight into what the parent is dealing with.
I am neither for or against Social Workers, I feel that without them many children would come to significant harm, and we do need a system like this, but THEY HAVE TO PROTECT THE CHLIDREN.
There was one story Bright1razeil may have heard of this as it was in edinburgh, where a mother was feeding her son heroin and crack for 2 years before anything was done, where were social services then?
It is a fact that there are a few bad apples out there who are maybe bitter or have their own emotional issues. But I have also had the pleasure of working with some good ones aswell, THEY ARE NOT ALL BAD, AND THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY.
I feel that 'not just anybody' should be allowed to work in this field, it ideally should be someone with equal amounts of compassion and professionalism, there should be no comment based on the social workers personal views, just because for instance they dont agree with a certain religeon, should not affect how they conduct themselves in their working enviroment. | |
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| Social Services - Abuse of Power?
Posted: 1/19/2007 11:22:31 AM | I totally agree with you SS do have too much power and if they spent as much time working for the children whom actually need protection instead of on families that actually care for their children.
HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT SOSCIAL SERVICES NO WHAT THEY ARE DOIN IF YOU HAVE NEVER HAD THE UNFORTUNATE EXPERIENCE OF DEALING WITH THEM
WHEN MY SON WAS 8 WEEKS he was rushed in to hospital, i was horrifed. i was at work at the time and my son was at home with his dad. After lots of awful questions and tests we were eventually told that he had head injuries. we were then allowed supervised contact for 1hour a day at the hospital not including weekends. i collapsed with pain and felt like someone had ripped my heart out.
my baby was eventually released from hospital in to a secret foster home. i recieved 4hours contact a week at a contact point which was dirty and unhygenic. the fact my baby was still alive was the only thing keeping me going.
i was fighting in court for my son back they claimed either me or his father had shaken him the day he was took in to hospital, the fact I WAS AT WORK didnt seem to matter to these stupid people
IT WAS OVER 5MONTHS BEFORE MY SON WAS RETURNED TO MY CARE THEY TOOK AWAY 5MONTHS OF MY SONS LIFE FROM ME SOMETHING I WILL NEVER GET BACK, THEY SHOULD HAVE NEVER TAKEN HIM AWAY FROM ME OR PUT ME AND MY SON THROUGH ALL THIS,
THIS FATHER HAS BEEN ACCUSED OF IT QUITE OBVIOUSLY.
BUT 2YEARS LATER WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR HIS COURT HEARING IF ONLY THEY WERE AS QUICK TO PUNISH THE ****ING GUILTY PARTY AS THEY WERE ME N MY SON BY SEPERATING US!!!!
dont ever speculate on things you dont actually know about, social services do have too much power! they ruined our lives | |
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| Social Services - Abuse of Power?
Posted: 1/19/2007 11:53:09 AM | One of those sticky subjects. If they do have the power to act and children are abused then there is an outcry, if they don't have the power to act and children are abused there's a public outcry. Like many occupations there are good and bad. the problem is sorting out the bad and leaving the good. My bosses wife is a social worker and her case load is horrendous.
The statistics are bad too, got these from the NSPCC a little while ago when doing some charity work and this is just one county.
* I child is killed every week by their parent or carer
* 27% of rape victims are children under the age of 16
* On an average day in Essex there are over 720 children, that we know of, who are considered to be at risk
Faced with abuse on this kind of scale I would have to sympathise if they act with caution to protect kids. I also sympathise with those wrongly accused | |
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| Social Services - Abuse of Power?
Posted: 1/19/2007 12:08:25 PM | It is a sore subject to discuss, Everyone has their own opinion of social workers, and the system.
Some social workers are right nasty people while some are absolute diamonds.
Maybe its the system thats all wrong, or maybe its the lack of protetion social workers themselves have.
My mum was in care in the 50's and 60's and she described that (IN THE 50s and 60's, NOT the 90's and 00's) that the treatment of the children (especially from nuns) was absolutle deplorable, my mum used to get a doll to play with at christmas, on boxing day it was taken from her and she then got that same doll for her birthday.
Her and her sister used to sneak downstairs in the middle of the night and dip wet bread in sugar just so they could eat, both my mum and aunt were bused in care, my aunt being sexually abused by the foster father from when she was 10-12 when he decided touching wasnt enough, he repeadedly raped her. And this man was to play the role of a DAD to her?!
Printed in the daily mail there was a 14 year old girl who was abused by 25 'fostercarers/resedential home carers' in the space of 2 years, this is more recent, and totally unacceptable, there has been reports that peadofiles, sex offenders and other such criminals have been given jobs in care homes and have done the same thing... how can this be happening? | |
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| Social Services - Abuse of Power?
Posted: 1/19/2007 12:08:32 PM | It is a sore subject to discuss, Everyone has their own opinion of social workers, and the system.
Some social workers are right nasty people while some are absolute diamonds.
Maybe its the system thats all wrong, or maybe its the lack of protetion social workers themselves have.
My mum was in care in the 50's and 60's and she described that (IN THE 50s and 60's, NOT the 90's and 00's) that the treatment of the children (especially from nuns) was absolutle deplorable, my mum used to get a doll to play with at christmas, on boxing day it was taken from her and she then got that same doll for her birthday.
Her and her sister used to sneak downstairs in the middle of the night and dip wet bread in sugar just so they could eat, both my mum and aunt were bused in care, my aunt being sexually abused by the foster father from when she was 10-12 when he decided touching wasnt enough, he repeadedly raped her. And this man was to play the role of a DAD to her?!
Printed in the daily mail there was a 14 year old girl who was abused by 25 'fostercarers/resedential home carers' in the space of 2 years, this is more recent, and totally unacceptable, there has been reports that peadofiles, sex offenders and other such criminals have been given jobs in care homes and have done the same thing... how can this be happening? | |
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| Social Services - Abuse of Power?
Posted: 1/19/2007 12:18:07 PM | | I onlyj oined this site today and am truley horrified about the comments made about social workers.....being called evil etc......I am a social worker and never lie to people nor do I ever do anything underhand .....I so far have seen 3 threads on this site saying awful things about social workers.....I can not speak for anyone else but I find the comments to be very offensive and not at all factual I empathise with those that have had bad experieneces with s/s but please do not put us all in the same bracket.....it is offensive and cruel and I think soem of you shoudl realise that and apoligise for beign so judgemental about a group of workers | |
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| Social Services - Abuse of Power?
Posted: 1/19/2007 12:29:38 PM |
I onlyj oined this site today and am truley horrified about the comments made about social workers.....being called evil etc......I am a social worker and never lie to people nor do I ever do anything underhand .....I so far have seen 3 threads on this site saying awful things about social workers.....I can not speak for anyone else but I find the comments to be very offensive and not at all factual I empathise with those that have had bad experieneces with s/s but please do not put us all in the same bracket.....it is offensive and cruel and I think soem of you shoudl realise that and apoligise for beign so judgemental about a group of workers
Flibbertgibbet, Maybe you are one of the good ones, but it is a fact that some are not so nice. I have read up on a lot and obviously with newspapers, who thrive on sensationalism, the bad does out weigh the good. But as I have said, NOT ALL ARE BAD, you do get some nivce ones.
This isnt meant to offend anyone, its a forum and people are free to comment and share their experiences, and so far more people have said good about them than bad.\\
It is a recognised problem in the UK, British columbia and Parts of America, even Oprah has done a tv speacial regarding the corruption in America.
No one has said social workers are evil, they are recounting their own experiences of their own social worker, and like you, everyone is entitled to their own opimion and are allowed to share it. | |
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| Social Services - Abuse of Power?
Posted: 1/20/2007 2:42:53 AM |
agree with you SS do have too much power and if they spent as much time working for the children whom actually need protection instead of on families that actually care for their children.
HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT SOSCIAL SERVICES NO WHAT THEY ARE DOIN IF YOU HAVE NEVER HAD THE UNFORTUNATE EXPERIENCE OF DEALING WITH THEM
I'm sorry to say social workers but this has to be at least the 50th similar story I have heard this year (yes I do mean January 2007)
No one is grasping the concept that social workers are effectively kidnaping children to make money and meet adoption targets, from what I know the worst area's are NORWICH, KENT, STAFFS, GLASGOW, and TRAFFORD.
Social Services ae taking 'the easy option' children, would you go in to the house of a crazed lunitic brandishing a weapon. NO you would run for the hills and forget you saw anything....IF YOU WERE A SOCIAL WORKER.
They need to start demanding protection from nut case parents who's children are in actual serious danger.
I think the term "at risk of future emotional abuse" which seems to be a favourite, is absolutly pathetic, they cannot be allowed to get away with this darconian behaviour any longer, If there are any good social workers on here.... surely you would know of this instead of being so defensive.
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| Social Services - Abuse of Power?
Posted: 1/20/2007 3:23:31 AM |
I onlyj oined this site today and am truley horrified about the comments made about social workers.....being called evil etc......I am a social worker and never lie to people nor do I ever do anything underhand .....I so far have seen 3 threads on this site saying awful things about social workers.....I can not speak for anyone else but I find the comments to be very offensive and not at all factual I empathise with those that have had bad experieneces with s/s but please do not put us all in the same bracket.....it is offensive and cruel and I think soem of you shoudl realise that and apoligise for beign so judgemental about a group of workers
(well you couldnt have joined the same day you posted as you have to be here 3 days to post... anyway)
This is life... Not everyone will sit and be sycophantic about things.
If you cannot see that their are major failings in Social Services then there is something very wrong with you and you are blinkered, IMHO
Children wouldnt be beaten, abused and starved if Social Services was operating properly
No one, apart from me who has a problem with some silly thick moron who cannot tell the difference between excema and cigarette burns WHICH ARE NOTHING ALIKE, has voiced problems with individual Social Workers. It is the SYSTEM that is at fault.
If you are offended, i am sorry. BUT the SYSTEM IS CRAP | |
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| Social Services - Abuse of Power?
Posted: 1/20/2007 3:25:54 AM | >>>No one, apart from me who has a problem with some silly thick moron who cannot tell the difference between excema and cigarette burns WHICH ARE NOTHING ALIKE, has voiced problems with individual Social Workers. It is the SYSTEM that is at fault.
If you are offended, i am sorry. BUT the SYSTEM IS CRAP<<<<
Couldnt agree more, I was trying to remain impartial...... discovered it isn't as easy as i thought. | |
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| Social Services - Abuse of Power?
Posted: 1/20/2007 5:17:02 AM | | I did sign up to this site a while ago and only used it yesterday which Is why I could post. I am well aware of the short commings within social services and am not at all blinkered.......However I am not offended because I know I try my very best in my job and am a good person. As for childrens issues I can not comment as I do not work with this client group........sorry to hear all the stories about bad experiences | |
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