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 Skinnbones

Joined: 5/17/2004
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Posted: 1/24/2007 7:46:32 AM
Please if someone could kindly explain the carb situation. I am not a fad person so I eat them. I thought I was making wise decisions but I just entered my food for the day in my online journal and I am still getting most calories from carbs! I eat 1c brown rice a day I juice a kiwi, apple, pear, celery and carrot everyday before a workout, I eat a cup of frozen berries every day and have 1 medium slice of high fiber bread a day and maybe air popped popcorn if I need a snack but not every day. Is this to much carbs? I hae no idea accept the pie chart I use says I am getting 1/2 of my calories from carbs. Are these good carbs so it does not matter, or is it too much either way? All help would be appreciated.
 topcat2

Joined: 11/20/2006
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Posted: 1/24/2007 7:53:25 AM
Im not a nutritionist but carbs = energy. Their good if your going to be doing things that will burn them off but if you have too many and dont burn them off they turn into fat.
 Skinnbones

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Posted: 1/24/2007 7:54:58 AM
I weight train for.... well it takes about an hour to do the weight program for the day and I do about 30 min cardio those days which is 4 days a week and I do 1h cardio one day a week with no weights. I do abs every day I am there.
 good_eat

Joined: 7/8/2006
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Posted: 1/24/2007 8:02:12 AM
" To meet the body's daily energy and nutritional needs while minimizing risk for chronic disease, adults should get 45 percent to 65 percent of their calories from carbohydrates, 20 percent to 35 percent from fat, and 10 percent to 35 percent from protein, says the newest report on recommendations for healthy eating from the National Academies' Institute of Medicine. To maintain cardiovascular health at a maximal level, regardless of weight, adults and children also should spend a total of at least one hour each day in moderately intense physical activity, which is double the daily minimum goal set by the 1996 Surgeon General's report."


I don't know why you think you've got too much calories from carbs? From the Aktins fans? Or the muscle head?

The only minor problem is that why you juice the veggie and fruit? I think it's healthier to eat them whole for 2 good reasons: 1. the extra fiber will make you feel full if weight controlling is your goal. 2. the discarded pulp has some anti-cancer agent and other good stuff for your body.

By the way, I get 55% of my calories from carbs.
 Skinnbones

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Posted: 1/24/2007 8:14:26 AM
The strangest thing when I eat raw fruit and vegtables I get insane heartburn which I get from everything and a HORRIBLE stomach ache! I have a salad and I feel it, but I do eat those cause I cant juice lettuce! I have been figuring that atleast I am getting the nutrients. Also when I juice it works like fiber BIG time .... if you know what I mean! I know I know to much info lol!.. I do eat other veggies cooked in a day as well like turnips and beets and stifry but raw kills my stomach it is better with beano but the weirdest thing.

But according to your post I am eating sufficently then. I dont feel so bad. I like I said dont do diets etc I changed my lifestyle and eating habits that is all I am nutritionally challenged that is all I ALWAYS wonder how much is too much etc.
 SayItAintSo!

Joined: 12/8/2006
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Posted: 1/24/2007 4:44:43 PM
These raw fruits and vegetables that are giving you heart burn are likely to be high in vitamin C, which is extremely acidic in high volumes. With that said the amount of Citric Acid in these foods shouldn't cause you heart burn. I'd have yourself checked for acid reflux disease and there is also the possibility of you having an ulcer. Have you tried milk along with these fruits and veggies? Milk neutralizes the acids because of the calcium and fats it contains.

Now onto carbohydrates. A carbohydrate is generally a chemical compound which breaks down into sugar, but these aren't bad in your diet. The issue with carbohydrates is that the body metabolizes carbohydrates as follows... Carbohydrates - sugar - fat. This is because any food that you bring into your body has a caloric value, If you're not at a caloric equilibrium or deficit you will in theory gain weight because your body has all this extra energy and no were to put it so your body turns it into fat.

Hopefully this helps you a bit



- Dan
 Valis5

Joined: 9/12/2006
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Posted: 1/24/2007 5:34:50 PM
Here's some info about carbs.

There's only 2 kinds to be concerned with: Low GI and high GI (glycemic index). This is a measure of how quickly the carbs absorb and enter the blood stream, which causes the release of insuline. Most of the time, the only one of these you want is low GI carbs, leaving the other for only very select situations, such as immediately after your workout. Insulin is extremely anabolic, so this would be the time to spike it (maltodextrin and dextros are prefered).

Your fat, proteins, and carbs should work on a 1 - 2 -4 ratio by default. The fats and proteins are pretty much "set in stone". You should be getting a constant and steady supply by eating every 3 hours. Your carbs are the only things that vary. You will take these depending on what you're about to do in the next 3 hours of your life (until your next meal).

If you're going to be exerting yourself, you'll obviously need more. Eating natural ice cream before your workout, for example (and before someone starts argueing with me, I'm talking about the all natural stuff, not the artifical ice cream with 10 pounds of sugar added) is a good idea. If you're going to be reading a book, just go for the protein and some omegas. Eating every 3 hours also lets you micromanage your nutrient intake this way.

If you're trying to lose weight, go extremely low on the carbs except for your pre and post workout meals. Also, cycling or walking at 25% of your max VO2 uptake tends to burn fat FAR quicker than running for 20 to 40 minutes, which uses glycogen stores. The only reason to do cardio is simply to get better at doing cardio. Resistance training already provides adequate stress to the heart and lungs, and no special conditioning for these are required (unless of course you're planning for a marathon).
 ski4life

Joined: 8/11/2006
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Posted: 1/24/2007 6:19:52 PM
Eat low to moderate glycemic index carbs(oatmeal, brown rice, legumes, any vegetable, fruits, etc...), and avoid high glycemic carbs(high fructose corn syrup, dextrose, maltose, maltodextrin, corn syup, sugar, etc....), consume enough good fats and protein.
 FitAussie

Joined: 12/25/2006
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Posted: 1/25/2007 3:47:45 AM
Having a fitness instructor background, and having an active lifestyle, my meals are mainly carbohydrate based.

I eat lots of brown rice, fruit and veg, with just a little meat and dairy. I don't get fat from carbs, just eat a sensible balanced diet. I eat when I want, and as long as I know the food is good and healthy, I couldn't care less about counting grams or measuring GI.

I eat probably ten times the amount of carbs you do, so you should be fine, things like atkins diet, etc are a load of rubbish in my opinion.
 Skinnbones

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Posted: 1/25/2007 9:42:39 AM
I agree with the diets being a load of rubbish, and I do sort of keep up with the GI index thats not really the question but thank you for the replies. Also yes I am aware of the acid reflux I have and I dont just get it from fruit and veg its entirely different but once again thanks for your reply. My concern was am I consuming to much? Low GI and HI GI make no difference simply because you can eat too much of those to my concern is portion. fitaussie thanks alot I think I should be good then as I do exercise very regularily as well. I have battled my plateau for a while now and then christmas I totlayy missed the entire wagon! Thanks everyone for your input!
 bolotye

Joined: 12/21/2004
Msg: 11
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Posted: 1/25/2007 7:39:21 PM
Skinnbones..


The daily food you have listed...that is alot of carbs. If that is pretty much what you are eating in a day then that would be considered a high carb way of eating.

Those carbs arent necessarily bad, they are just in excess.

You said you ate I cup of brown rice, 1 juice, a kiwi, apple , pear, celery and carrot all before workout. That is alot carbs at any time especially pre workout. Your insulin levels skyrocket causing your body to use the instant energy from those carbs instead of your glycogen and fat stores.

That much sugar all the time, doesnt allow your body to use the glycogen and body fat for energy.

The body runs more efficiently when its given good fats and good proteins and slow absorbing complex carbs. I love my carbs, but I only eat them at the right times and never in excess.

All of the above listed foods you mentioned have very little fat if any. Your body needs good fats for optimal health. Omegas 3's are a good fat and vital for proper brain function among a gazillion other things. There is very little protein if any in the foods as well. You are missing the most important substances your body needs given your exercise output.

Switch up some of the fruits with green veggies. Avacados are great. They have the needed good fats and some complex carbs. They are also good for fiber which will slow down those carbs. Basically try not to spike your insulin levels as much. Try to keep your sugar intake balanced by not eating as much fruit and only %100 sprouted whole wheat bread. The brown rice is good tho, id keep that one, but I probably wouldnt eat too much of it before workout.

The berries are great too. The ones with the most antioxidants and the least amount of simple sugars are raspberries and strawberries. Try adding some nuts and seeds to snack on during the day opposed to celery and carrots. Maybe some hard boiled eggs for when you are on the run.

I drink a high quality protein shake every morning with an added scoop of *green food* this gives me my protein for the morning and the green food is equal to 12 servings of veggies. This little *meal* has hardly any carbs , good protein and very little fat.

A couple hours later I may have a few eggs with a piece of %100 sprouted whole wheat bread.

Lunch I may have a chicken salad with parmesan cheese and an avacado.

Dinner I sometimes do up a few chicken breasts in shake n bake omg i love that stuff lol. Add some broccoli and cheese.

snacking through out the day I grab what I can when I am on the run. Nuts ( I love almonds) hard boiled eggs, seeds ( I love sunflower seeds) and so on.

all in all, my daily food intake is mostly lean proteins, good fats with a little cheat room, my green food to take the place of the fact im LAZY at getting all my veggies in, carb intake at a healthy level. No sugar spikes. I only eat my carbs in portions that dont spike my insulin.

I find the good fats I eat daily help me not only stay full longer but make me feel better in general.

The green food mix I take has not only veggies but algae in it. Spirulina and chlorella that help cleanse the blood and so forth.

Hope this was helpful.
 Skinnbones

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Posted: 1/26/2007 7:02:12 AM
BOLO THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VERY awsome info! I HATE green veggies but I am trying lol. I do take 3,6,9 suppliment and sometimes I use the UDO's in my morning smoothie. In the smoothie with the berries I ad 2 scoops of protein powder. And I have chicken breast twice a day as well. I LOVE CARBS!
 bolotye

Joined: 12/21/2004
Msg: 13
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Posted: 1/28/2007 7:18:30 AM
You are sure welcome. Id get a high quality omega 3 and just supplement that one. The 6 and 9's are pretty easy to get from food and you dont want to much of those. The 3's need to be at least 10:1 with omega 3's in the lead.

I take 6 grams a day of omega 3's. Sometimes I will use a little primrose oil If I feel I want to to get a little more 9's.

I love carbs too...sigh. I love spaghetti. I found some %100 whole wheat noodles that are complex carbs and absorb much slower than regular noodles. They taste GREAT and have helped me keep a little carb without the insulin overdose and light headedness. With that meal I will make sure I get some fiber in there...a little broccoli or other green veggies to slow down the absorption even more.

Fiber is also a carb, but our bodies do not possess the needed enzyme to break them down. They are essentially a freebie and only recognized as exercise for the colon. yay!



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