| castro's death party
Posted: 1/29/2007 7:31:57 PM | i ran across this news item...seems miami is gonna have a party to celebrate castro's [imminent] death. what do you all think of this??? i find it maudlin, repugnant, and thoroughly distasteful. is it just a scheme to keep the cuban population in miami under control?? what do you think of that?
Miami planning party after Castro's death
City commission looks at Orange Bowl stadium as venue
Updated: 1:33 p.m. ET Jan 29, 2007
MIAMI - With Fidel Castro seriously ill, the city of Miami is making plans to throw a party at a local football stadium when the Cuban president dies, complete with themed T-shirts.
The city commission earlier this month appointed a committee — whose official job is to "Discuss an event at the Orange Bowl in case expected events occur in Cuba" — to plan the party. Such a gathering has long been part of the city's Castro death plan, but the specifics have become more urgent since Castro became ill last summer and turned over power to his brother, Raul.
The Orange Bowl was the site of a speech by President Kennedy in 1961 promising a free Cuba, and in the 1980s it served as a camp for refugees from the Mariel boatlift from Cuba.
"(Castro) represents everything bad that has happened to the people of Cuba for 48 years," City Commissioner Tomas Regalado, a Cuban American who came up with the idea, told The Miami Herald newspaper. "There is something to celebrate, regardless of what happens next ... We get rid of the guy."
"Basically, the only thing we're trying to do is have a venue, a giant venue ready for people, if they wish, to speak to the media, to show their emotions. It's not that we're doing an official death party," Regalado said Monday.
The plans have been criticized on local Spanish-language radio, as many people would prefer to celebrate on the streets of the Little Havana neighborhood.
"This is not a mandatory site," Regalado said of the Orange Bowl. "Just a place for people to gather."
Ramon Saul Sanchez, leader of the Miami-based Democracy Movement organization, worries about how the party would be perceived by those outside the Cuban exile community. Even when Castro dies, his communist government will still be in place, he said.
"Although everybody will be very happy that the dictator cannot continue to oppress us himself, I think everybody is still very sad because there are still prisons full of prisoners, many people executed, and families divided," Sanchez said.
At the committee's first meeting last week, former state Representative Luis Morse stressed the need for an uplifting theme for the party — one not preoccupied with Castro's passing.
The committee discussed including such a theme on T-shirts for the event.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. | |
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e-wok
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| castro's death party
Posted: 1/29/2007 7:46:43 PM | I think that these people believe that after Castro's death, their
relatives will be sponsored to come to live in Miami....millions of
them over-night; hence the revelery.
Can you imagine how Miami will change with the crushing humanity
that will flood that state with more spanish speakers aside from the
already Mexican population? | |
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Posted: 1/29/2007 8:44:06 PM | | I can't believe people will celebrate someone dying, even if they didn't like them. Aren't we human beings? Then again, Miami will find any excuse to throw a party. | |
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Posted: 1/29/2007 11:47:42 PM | Why didnt Hitler, Stalin or Saddam get a party?
I personally find the idea horrible.
Plus we all know Fidel will never die. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2007 3:13:48 PM | Fidal Castro came into power during the Eisenhower administration. He survived the adminstrations of
Eisenhower
Kennedy
Lyndon Johnson
Richard Nixon
Gerald Ford
Jimmy Carter
Ronald Reagan
GHW Bush
Bill Clinton
and maybe Dubya
They may bury him shooting us the bird. Amazing history. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2007 8:33:10 PM | | I find this to be very distasteful and a big waste of taxpayers money | |
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Posted: 1/30/2007 9:45:15 PM | | does anyone think the city is preparing a venue in anticipation of such a zealous response by the cuban population that might devolve into riots? | |
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Posted: 1/30/2007 10:37:18 PM | | If the city is involved you can bet they know and understand far more than any of us can hope to. Of course there is a method to their maddness. Your idea that it might be a stopgap measure to prevent riots is good. who knows. At any rate... it would be great to have cuba returned to its old pre castro greatness. If that were to happen... a lot of cubans may even want to return. I don't really see a huge flood of cubans coming here. but, I am not an expert. I think those of you who find this celebration distasteful are taking it too literally. The celebration is more about birth than death. Hopefully..the re=birth of old cuba. And...lets face it...Ol fidel wasn't a very Lovable guy. | |
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Posted: 1/30/2007 10:43:29 PM | I don't think the city shoud allow it. It is a sick thing to do.  | |
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Posted: 1/31/2007 10:05:38 PM | | I have no problem with people celebrating the death of a brutal dictator. It will be a happy occassion. Raul probably won't be any better, but he probably also won't be able to hold onto power. Fidel's death will be a sign of hope for Cubans. | |
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Posted: 1/31/2007 11:01:14 PM | castros death will be welcome news for millions of people...cubans in miami (AND OTHER PART OF THE U.S) cubans that are still inprisoned under that dictatorship and anyone else who hates dictatorships and loves freedom and liberty.
i know that the day that peice of sh*t dies me and my family are going to have one hell of a celerbration.   
i'm sure there will be some "enlightened" individuals (many from this site) who'll look at his death and its celerbration as a sad and terrible thing...but thats because those individuals have never had to live under a brutal dictator.
i pray to god every night for fidel to be laying in his bed soiling himself, and to be in unbearable pain.
will things change in cuba after fidel? who knows, i pray that true freedom and democracy comes to cuba after so many years of brutality and oppression.
re msg #6 talk about an oxymoron...as if cuba has ever been libre with fidel. what do you expect from a genius who would never put up with living under a dictatorship himself. | |
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Posted: 2/1/2007 6:38:53 AM | | Castro is a dictator but he is far from the worst on the planet. The guy he overthrew, Batista, was even worse. The revolution has benefited Cubans in some ways, they do have access to healthcare and education that they didn't under Batista. I think Americans are hypocritical though when they criticize that lack of civil and political freedoms in Cuba because rarely is Saudi Arabia or Colombia criticized. Few in America criticized the Somoza dynasty or Pinochet in Chile. America only hates dictators when it is in their economic interest. | |
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Posted: 2/1/2007 12:33:17 PM | batista was worse than castro? i don't recall millions of people escaping cuba any way they could to get away from batista. how many millions have escaped castro (and i don't just mean to the U.S) or died trying. i am so sick and tired of hearing "cubans have access to health care and education" thanks to castro, so therefore they must be better off. what good does an education in cuba get you, if your told what to read, what to write and what to think. what good does a degree in medicine, engineering or any other career do you if you and your family are going to bed hungry, if you have to use newspaper to wipe your ass, or if you have to start turning tricks for dollars (as many female professionals have had to do) if your a foreigner in cuba and you need medical attention then yeah... you can get what ever you need, but if your a cuban citizen forget it. one of my aunts was diagnosed with breast cancer, she was supposed to have surgery, when she arrived at the hospital they canceled the surgery because the didn't have any surgical gloves...she died at home a couple of months later. do you think they had surgical gloves when castro had his surgery?
he had an opportunity to give his country freedom...to be the the "george washington" of cuba, instead he did what every other tin pan dictator has done, seizing total control and power for himself.
let castro die, let him burn in hell | |
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Posted: 2/1/2007 12:51:05 PM |
he had an opportunity to give his country freedom...to be the the "george washington" of cuba, instead he did what every other tin pan dictator has done, seizing total control and power for himself
In fairness, he did want to be the George Washington of Cuba and took his model from the American, not the Russian Revolution. In fact, he went to the US first for recognition and support, but since American economic interests had a lot to lose if he succeeded he was rebuffed. As many others did then, he turned to the other super power. Same thing happened with Ho Chi Minh in Vietnam. Soviet support came at a price though and he had to toe the Communist Party line. I have no idea what might have been, but I know things there are worse because of American actions. All of the economic hardship you complain of comes from American economic embargoes.
That said, it is pretty clear that even if his motives were good, he did quickly come to like power for its own sake an awful lot. His regime isn't on the same field as Pinochet, the Argentine junta, Papa or Baby Doc, or countless others in Latin America, but he is a ruthless dictator. I hope things will improve there. American foreign policy has been all stick, no carrot for 50 years now. A little bit of encouragement once he's dead will make a huge difference. | |
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Posted: 2/1/2007 12:57:59 PM | | I live in Cuba for most of the year, however, I am in Canada now working with an NGO. Perhaps you need to wear the shoe before you make such statements. After the revolution my family has had all of our social service needs met, i.e. health, education. Under Batista the Cuban society was so polarized it was as if you had it or you didn't. I will accept that many Cubans do not own many consumer items, but is that what makes a people happy? Judging from the country that has all of tthese consumer items, the US, I hope it is not. The US is not what I would ever aspire our society to be, and before you go on and make assumptions about life in Cuba since the revolution as a dictatorial state , look no further than the US there is a president that has no respect for international law nor does he respect his own people, i.e. the unfortunate in New Orleans. | |
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| castro's death party
Posted: 2/1/2007 3:07:24 PM | | I for one will have a drink in celebration ...May he rott in hell...This guy was and is a murderer...killing his own people...starvation...He will die rich while the people suffer in poverty. | |
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Posted: 2/1/2007 6:39:41 PM | venceremos: ( am i to assume that your cuban?) so your families needs are met huh. tell me what happens to your families needs the day one of them decides to step out of line and criticize the beard and his regime? can your family openly criticize fidel, can they openly criticize the revolution? HELL NO they can't!!! i'm sure your family is quite content in cuba and they probably do get excellent health care, and they probably eat pretty well especially if you've got dollars to pay for it all.
i'm not defending batista, but things there definitely got worse after the revolution. in cuba the only ones who "have it" are those who have connections within the government or those who are lucky enough to get their hands on dollars. unfortunately not every cuban has a family member that gets to leave the country and bring back dollars (or those terrible symbols of yankee imperialism)to them.
having access to as many consumer items as we do here in the U.S doesn't guarantee happiness, but it sure helps when you have food in your belly, clothes on your back, and shoes on your feet. it sure makes it nice when your hard work and ingenuity lets you buy a nice car and buy your own house for yourself and your family.
yes, yes gwb is a dictator....i've heard that on this site way to often it must be true. except for one thing my friend...gwb will be out of office in 08, and the castro regime will still have its death grip on cuba and its people. | |
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Posted: 2/2/2007 12:01:31 AM | This is just sick and stupid. Yeah a lot of cuban exiles will be happy for a short time. There are a lot of cubans that fled in the early days of the revolution. They plan on returning to cuba to claim the property they left behind. Thing is it wont happen. There isnt a cuban alive in cuba that would welcome ANY of the exiled batista supporters back.
Last year when Castro first handed power to his brother the US flew an aircraft that broadcast Condolezza Rice giving a speach to the cuban people. Letting them know that once Castro is gone the US will come to their aid and bring them democracy and Pepsi. Bush even has a Cuba plan that has since been shelved when their own research showed that Cubans dont want america meddling in their country again EVER. They tossed out the Americans with Batista. They dont want America playing around with their country again. Amazingly bush actually understood it! Cuba is independant and wants nothing from the US. Americans and the US govt has hated Cuba and Castro for 50 years. Why? Initially because america lost a lot of cheap labour and resources. Corruption was curtailed and industries nationalized for cubas interest. Not american interests.
Basically the same thing that ticks off americans now when companies take the jobs out of the country. except it was the flow of money from cuban pockets into american ones.
Castro has outlasted every US administration since eisenhower. Countelss attempts at destabilizing Castro have failed. Decades of economic sanctions and still Cuba is free of american domination. Cubans have suffered a lot from american sanctions and they know the blame lies with america and not Castro. The US govt can brainwash their own citizens with anti Castro propaganda because americans have been brainwashed into believing their governtment for 60 years. Remember McCarthy in the 50s. labled everyoine as communist and claimed to have evidence against them. turned out they only found 2 communists. how many lives and carreers were ruined? How many blacklisted? all just lies like Iraq with WMDs and now Iran with nukes. not a single piece of evidence for any of the claims. Even now CNN is repeatedly broadcasting a story about the Iranians dressing up in US uniforms and sneaking through check points and killing americans then sneaking out again. Each time they tell the story they will mention only ONCE that there isnt any eveidence of this and that it is speculation. Tehy then spend 5 minutes telling us over and over that iran is behind it. Speculation...LIES.
Its illegal for americans to visit cuba. Up until a couple of years ago tens of thousands of americans would fly to Canada and change flights to Cuba. Bush has made even this illigal. In fact if you are a US citizen and you go anywhere in the world and smoke a cuban cigar you are committing a crime!
Strange thing is you can walk into a 7-11 in Canada and buy cuban cigars. The US has been trying to prevent US owned companies outside of the US from having any connection to Cuba. I am amazed they havent gotten around to bringing the 7-11 corporation up on charges.
When Castro dies there will not be the drastic changes that many americans believe will happen. Cuba is free and they will not embrace the idea of becoming americanized.  | |
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Posted: 2/2/2007 6:04:27 AM |
i am so sick and tired of hearing "cubans have access to health care and education" thanks to castro, so therefore they must be better off. what good does an education in cuba get you, if your told what to read, what to write and what to think. what good does a degree in medicine, engineering or any other career do you if you and your family are going to bed hungry, if you have to use newspaper to wipe your ass, or if you have to start turning tricks for dollars (as many female professionals have had to do) if your a foreigner in cuba and you need medical attention then yeah.
You really believe this isn't also the case in the USA? Ask the homeless, the poor and the working poor.
But it is easier to blame them rather than capitalist corporations that send good paying jobs to third world countries and pay workers $1 for 12 hour day, no medical, unsafe work conditions.
in cuba the only ones who "have it" are those who have connections within the government or those who are lucky enough to get their hands on dollars.
You have also described the USA.
Perhaps the fear the USA has of Cuba, is that their system just might work, hence the embargo.
Don't even dare, insinuate human rights violations to Fidel's government when the USA
is up to their neck in them. Remember gitmo?
Let those who have been brainwashed have their party.
I will mourn the day of Fidel's passing.
Viva Fidel Viva Cuba libre! | |
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Posted: 2/2/2007 12:16:29 PM | there were a lot of cubans who fled in the early days of the revolution? there are cubans who flee every day. some make it, some drown at sea. just because one is an exile doesn't make you a batista supporter, there are plenty of cubans who initially supported the revolution who realized what fidel was all about....total control and power.
are there any cubans who ask there relatives to send them money / medicine from abroad...you bet there are. will these same people welcome back their expatriate relatives...IF the oppressive communist system is torn down, my guess is yes they will be welcome back.
" cubans suffering is the fault of american sanctions", more lies from the left who are so in love with castro and his revolution (what amazes me is that so many of these castro lovers DON"T LIVE IN CUBA  ) AND they would never subject themselves to live in a prison like cuba. to my knowledge the U.S is the only country in the world with sanctions against cuba. you have europe, latin america, canada, asia, and china doing business with fido...and yet his subjects are suffering, not because of his failed system of one man, one dictator, they're suffering because of the big bad yankees  .
its so amusing to see someone mention brainwashing when it comes to the U.S, and yet the fact that cuba doesn't allow dissention of any kind, or that cuban newspapers are not allowed to report facts that contradict fido and his communist party is completely overlooked. amazingly... this person would never volunteer to give up all of his evil trappings of capitalism, or his own freedom of speech to live in a "workers paradise". | |
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Posted: 2/2/2007 12:42:04 PM | the difference, buggsy is that in the U.S any poor person has the opportunity to take control of their lives and elevate themselves.
the cuban system does work.....as long as your a member of the party, are happy to do without or have relatives who can send you all the evil trappings of capitalisn like money, medicine, eyeglasses, underwear, shoes, or a hand towel. but, god help the poor **stard who speaks up against the regime for basic human rights, for the right to free speech
your worried about gitmo? the entire island of cuba has been 100 times worse then gitmo x40 years
go ahead and mourn fidels passing.... i'll be willing to bet that you'll do it from your "free country" because your to much of a coward to live under a dictator yourself. | |
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| castro's death party
Posted: 2/2/2007 7:03:11 PM | namecalling.............bad...........so , you are from Cuba??? I wonder why that teacher that I met when I was down there went back there after spending 5 years in Canada.
Who is Gitmo? | |
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e-wok
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| castro's death party
Posted: 2/2/2007 7:44:27 PM | what good does an education in cuba get you, if your told what to read, what to write and what to think.
A non-socialist country like the USA has the same problem...what good is
it when you're sleeping in a park homeless lying on newspaper. Millions of middle income
Americans needing to declare bankrupty due to hospital bills but it's illegal and they're an inch away from being homeless.
Cuba's problem is because of the USA...a few of the elite lost their
capital in cuba because of castro and the retaliation? Make everybody
poor in Cuba. As a Canadian I can travel to Cuba when I want
and smoke a few good cigars and bring them home with me.....as an
American you don't have the freedom to even consider going to
Cuba to find out the facts yourself...wow, who are you to educate
Cuba about freedom when you don't have it yourself?
Anyway, I'm no fan of Castro but, he's doing very well health wise....picking
up a few pounds I see so this party ain't happenin' | |
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