| when is it okay to use crack cocaine?
Posted: 2/1/2007 8:50:57 AM | I was just reading on the Internet a suggestion that crack cocaine produces such euphoria that it should be used in end-stages of life. So you can go out happy.
I'm not sure if it would interact with medication that palliative folks are often on, such as morphine, or whether you would use it instead of a painkiller. It's an interesting idea, though.
Would you give a palliative person crack cocaine to ease their way into the great beyond?
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| when is it okay to use crack cocaine?
Posted: 2/1/2007 9:38:57 AM | > Would you give a palliative person crack cocaine to ease their way into the great beyond?
☼ If you're talking about euthanasia, why bother with crack cocain? There's hundreds of other drugs that can be used to produce the same end result. I would suggest some 50 caliber aspiren! | |
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| when is it okay to use crack cocaine?
Posted: 2/1/2007 10:30:20 AM | " There is perhaps a single predictable time of life when taking crack-cocaine is sensible, harmless and both emotionally and intellectually satisfying. Indeed, for such an occasion it may be commended. Certain estimable English doctors were once in the habit of administering to terminally-ill cancer patients an elixir known as the "Brompton****ail". This was a judiciously-blended mixture of cocaine, heroin and alcohol. The results were gratifying not just to the recipient. Relatives of the stricken patient were pleased, too, at the new-found look of spiritual peace and happiness suffusing the features of a loved one as (s)he prepared to meet his or her Maker.
Drawing life to a close with a transcendentally orgasmic bang, and not a pathetic and god-forsaken whimper, can turn dying into the culmination of one's existence rather than its present messy and protracted anti-climax.
There is another good reason to finish life on a high note. In a predominantly secular society, adopting a hedonistic death-style is much more responsible from an ethical utilitarian perspective. For it promises to spare friends and relations the miseries of vicarious suffering and distress they are liable to undergo at present as they witness one's decline. " | |
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| when is it okay to use crack cocaine?
Posted: 2/1/2007 1:24:10 PM |
I was just reading on the Internet I read on the internet that space aliens control the American government.
Just because it's on the internet, doesn't make it valid.
Ever idiot with access to a computer can put something on the internet.
Would you give a palliative person crack cocaine to ease their way into the great beyond? No.
There is drugs that can be given to pallitive care patients to ease pain. Drugs that have been tested and meet certain requirements. (rather than drugs that were bought on the street; are banned by government; untested; and have likely been cut with who-knows-what by every 2 bit dealer whose hands they've passed through.)
There's also trained medical professionals to prescribe drugs to pallitive care patients.
Smoke crack with your dying father if you wish. Most people will continue to trust doctiors and medical professionals.
adopting a hedonistic death-style is much more responsible from an ethical utilitarian perspective if someone's chosen to live a modest, responsible life, why would it be "ethical" for someone else to chose a hedonistic death style for them?
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| when is it okay to use crack cocaine?
Posted: 2/1/2007 1:29:08 PM | ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ Well then, crack cocaine would definitely be out of the question. No lighting up in intensive care. Dying patients usually can't get out of bed, much less smoke anything. In the case of my husband, he was wearing an oxygen mask. A lit match would have made everyone in the vicinity a crispy critter.
While it may not necessarily be called a Brompton coc-ktail any longer, any and all medications are still used at the end of life to reduce suffering as much as possible. Brompton coc-ktails BTW don't have a specific compound, but can have any number of ingredients, usually NOT heroin because it's hard to get outside of a research setting or on the street.
When my husband died they were pumping all sorts of things into him. There was no question that he was going to get any and all drugs he needed to alleviate pain. I was his health care decision maker, and gave permission for DNR and also to terminate life early if drugs to keep him comfortable were going to do that. (Morphine and other pain killers slow respiration and usually death occurs more quickly).
I don't see a reason to use crack cocaine, which as far as I'm aware can't be inserted into an IV. But then I have no experience with illegal drugs.
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| when is it okay to use crack cocaine?
Posted: 2/1/2007 1:38:46 PM | well, I've worked in palliative care and I've seen people die with a ton of morphine in their system. They go out without pain, but they're not aware of their passing. They stay asleep.
There is no likelihood of addiction. Coke won't put them to sleep like morphine does. And I am a health care professional, so I'm looking for newer and better ideas. That's how research gets started, by asking questions. I'm not suggesting that everything posted on the internet has a level 1 evidence base.
I currently have a relative who is terminal and plans to die at home. So ... I am preternaturally curious. ~shrug~ | |
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| when is it okay to use crack cocaine?
Posted: 2/1/2007 1:42:41 PM | | Im not one to tell people what they should or shouldnt do. But whatever helps someone terminally ill and suffering in their final hours is fine by me. I wouldnt want it I dont think, but to eacht heir own. In pain or not, i'd want to be able to look into my loved ones eyes sober that one last time... | |
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| when is it okay to use crack cocaine?
Posted: 2/1/2007 1:44:01 PM | If you're not worried about losing your profession credentials buying illegal drugs, how about injecting cocaine? I've been with more than one person at the end and can't think of one who could smoke or snort anything at that point.
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| when is it okay to use crack cocaine?
Posted: 2/1/2007 2:32:09 PM | | I think this is a medical (end of life) ethics issue best answered by the medical profession itself. This isn't the best forum for in-depth discussion of the moral, legal or pharmacological consequences of crack cocaine use at end-of-life - at home, or in hospice or hospital. | |
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| when is it okay to use crack cocaine?
Posted: 2/1/2007 2:34:05 PM |
Most people will continue to trust doctiors and medical professionals.
why though, when most doctors are bought and paid for by the drug companies. If people wish to give weed, crack, ecstasy. coke, whatever to terminal patients, I have no issue with that. | |
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| when is it okay to use crack cocaine?
Posted: 2/1/2007 4:37:32 PM | I currently have a relative who is terminal and plans to die at home. So ... I am preternaturally curious I'm not really sure what to advise you in this case.
If he were to die in the hospital, under a doctor's care, there could be legal options for providing him with drugs.
I'm not sure what access to these drugs he may have, if he's dying at home.
Not sure but if a person's terminally ill at home, can't the family arrainge for a trained private nurse, to to administer drugs in the home?
Perhaps if you're a health care professional, you may be able to administer such drugs???
Coke won't put them to sleep like morphine does I'm sorry, but I don't understand why "putting them to sleep" would be undesireable.
I'd think that for a terminally ill patient to be in a sedate-state, would be more peaceful and more desireable than going through the manias of crack cocaine use. ?
when most doctors are bought and paid for by the drug companies. drug companies may have some influence over doctors.
But: doctors still have professional medical training.
The criminal on the street, selling crack, has none. | |
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| when is it okay to use crack cocaine?
Posted: 2/1/2007 9:43:52 PM | i'd want to be able to look into my loved ones eyes sober that one last time...
^^ this sums it up for me, my mom was so full of morphine and suffered horribly with cancer slowly wasting away to a slumber where she took her last breath.. and i still live with that memory
when dying is done, its done.. i wouldnt want them on crack when it happened | |
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| when is it okay to use crack cocaine?
Posted: 2/1/2007 9:58:18 PM | | Well, personally, I believe each person should have the right to decide what we put in our bodies, at what time. Yes, you definitely have a point about using crack, or pain killers when one is near death. | |
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Posted: 2/1/2007 10:07:05 PM |
Not sure but if a person's terminally ill at home, can't the family arrainge for a trained private nurse, to to administer drugs in the home?
Yes most agencies, such as Para med, St Elizabeths, Bayshore, VON......and the others I may have forgotten, have nurses trained in palliative care, and can give end of life meds.
Paliative nursing is all about letting one die with dignity. Most doctors will Rx morphine and scopolamine, as well as versed. Morphine and scopolamine will twighlight a person.
I would stay away from the crack, but a dr can Rx ketamine for a palliative person. Some palliative patients have no pain by the time they die. It is an individuals choice as well as their doctors on what kind of drugs they want or don't want. | |
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| when is it okay to use crack cocaine?
Posted: 2/2/2007 12:17:45 AM | Of all the things.
I totally disagree with this idea. And I'm more than sure most patients and their families would as well.
There are other means in palliative care to help with the ending of lives. I wouldnt even foresee a hospice doing this... and they do things quite differently (at times).
It wouldnt be a pleasant high, and I think they'd be just as tweeked out as they would be with the typical drugs used.
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| when is it okay to use crack cocaine?
Posted: 2/2/2007 1:48:49 AM | when my late husband was diagnosed with stage 4 pancreatic cancer, and it was determined that nothing could be done to lengthen his "time" from the 6-8 months they gave him, I promised him that as his health care decision maker, I would see to it that it was as painless and peaceful as possible.
When it got to the point that the doctor had me call his family to come from NY, and gave us 24-72 hours, he was wide awake, and terrified at those words. He visited with our children, we spent the evening watching American Idol together, he called his brother in law and apologized for a silly incident that happened 20+ years ago, prayed with our minister, and then a dilauded IV was started, along with IV ativan for anxiety. Within minutes his eyes closed in sleep, and I saw to it that he stayed asleep until the next evening at 6pm when he died. I promised him I would, and I did. It was peaceful for him, and for us as he was no longer alert and anxious about his impending death. Was as peaceful as I'd seen him in 7 months.
I see nothing wrong with drugs to help ease someone's pain or anxiety about death when we know it's only hours away. If it had been crack cocaine was needed to assure his peaceful passing at the end, I would have done everything possible to see that he had it..no question about it....as it turned out, he was hospitalized, and the more powerful continuous IV drugs were available to him. I would not have changed a thing in the way his passing was handled. His comfort was all that mattered. | |
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| when is it okay to use crack cocaine?
Posted: 2/2/2007 5:29:32 AM | I couldnt imagine being terminally ill...suffering...then adding cocaine to the mix and having every nerve ending in my body on high alert.
If I had to choose an illegal substance to go quietly with, it would certainly be a downer not an upper.
Cocaine seems one of the last things I would want to use or have someone I loved use before they died. It was mentioned earlier in this thread it would torture....I agree.
How awful. | |
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| when is it okay to use crack cocaine?
Posted: 2/2/2007 7:39:20 AM |
Cocaine is the antithesis of what would help "end of life".
It would be torture
I couldnt imagine being terminally ill...suffering...then adding cocaine to the mix and having every nerve ending in my body on high alert.
If I had to choose an illegal substance to go quietly with, it would certainly be a downer not an upper. I've got to agree with these posts^^^^
I don't understand why you would want to administer a powerful (and illegal) stimulant to someone who likely has limited movement and limited physical ability.
I see nothing wrong with drugs to help ease someone's pain or anxiety about death there is drugs that are intended for that purpose. Crack is not one of them.
Cocaine does not ease anxiety, it causes anxiety. | |
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| when is it okay to use crack cocaine?
Posted: 2/2/2007 1:17:46 PM | I have no problem to give patient the any drug of his/her choice.
But not every one will like the effect of cocaine. I know someone who's healthy and sober when taking cocaine and didn't like it. I'm sure he won't like it when he's weak and dying either.
Weed, on the other hand has less side effect. | |
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| when is it okay to use crack cocaine?
Posted: 2/2/2007 2:35:17 PM | It seems to me than an upper would prolong the torture. Never tried it but my understanding the only good uses for cocaine are for numbing nose injuries and eyes prior to surgery, stitches, and proceedures. Wikipedia has a lot about all the meds and drugs on it. I suggest you research there.
Freud tried to use cocaine to cure opium addicts.
Crack to an old dying person? Not only would this prolong their suffering but they would be a total nuisance to society. They would want to drive and be active and in a failing state of mind many people could get hurt or killed. | |
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| when is it okay to use crack cocaine?
Posted: 2/2/2007 3:59:14 PM | | I agree that cocaine seems to be a bad choice in "dying hours drugs"...but..like one poster said, it should be whatever drug makes the dying person more comfortable. Please note that cocaine was NOT administered to my dying husband, but had he asked for it, I would have busted a gut trying. Just my 2 cents.. | |
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| when is it okay to use crack cocaine?
Posted: 2/3/2007 6:28:12 AM | | I've never done coke but I've seen others and I too would believe this to be end of life torture as I believe it causes intense aniexty...I would think that downers would be much better My best friend had bone cancer and nothing worked on his pain. But atavin helped his aniexty.. | |
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