| | Steorn Technology Produces Free EnergyPage 1 of 2 (1, 2) | After seeing the Steorn video, I feel it's just a publicity stunt. However, it has got me thinking. Perhaps the basic concept could become a reality. I believe magnetism is the answer, just not used the way Steorn claims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steorn
http://www.steorn.net/frontpage/default.aspx | |
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Posted: 2/7/2007 12:01:59 PM | So, they are claiming to have invented a perpetual motion machine.....hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
magnets will eventually lose thier magnativity properties so they will not work anymore. | |
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Posted: 2/15/2007 4:24:26 AM | If magnetism itself can be used as a source of power, then the Second Law of Thermodynamics would not be violated. The power output of such a device under full design load could then be greater than the amount of power required to make the device run.
I'm not talking about a perpetual (as in forever until the end of time) motion machine. Just a device that will use magnetism as a source of power. | |
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Posted: 2/15/2007 10:36:21 AM | You aren't taking into consideration that friction is still in the equation and will always be there. You have to tap whatever energy is produced and any sort of connection (physical or electromechanical) will have an effect on the efficiency of the generator. Even air resistance creates friction.
You can design something that will move for a looooong time...but try to extract any of that motion energy and you'll slow the machine down. | |
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Posted: 2/20/2007 11:57:37 PM | or something that runs on nuclear waste. or carbon dioxide... or wannabe perpetual motion/free energy machines...
not trying to be mean, and I know perpetual motion machines at least serve the purpose of encouraging creativity, there are just so many better things to spend effort on... | |
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UrbanX
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Posted: 2/21/2007 4:44:51 PM | Well, I'll be mean. If they are claiming perpetual motion, they are either idiots or scam artists. Follow the money.
Cheers,
Mike (but if it's about tinfoil hats, it's all good) | |
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Posted: 2/22/2007 10:06:47 PM | ""or something that runs on nuclear waste. or carbon dioxide.""
Atomic Energy Canada has developed a "breeder" reactor that runs on the waste of other reactors. It is typically heavy water safe and "eats" the kind of nuke waste that all the 3rd worlders are trying to get their hands on because not only is it waste but it's WEAPONS GRADE waste.
A device that works on carbon dioxide and does an AMAZING job of absorbing toxins and still producing lots of O2 as "waste" ... what do ya call those .... Oh YA. A TREE!!
As far as perpetual machines and the like - wait for it. With 300 or 400 MILLION pissed of consumers getting stuck with ever increasing oil GOUGING costs somebody WILL come up with something. There are breakthroughs all the time. Many physicists today are limited in their thinking by the "laws" limiting physics that were written by pompous mathmaticians who do NOT know everything. Once some people learn to think around the rules and laws then anything could be possible.
One of the greatest sources for unlimited power is simple H2O. The first person who develops a simple safe way to split water into Hydrogen, burn it using oxygen (hence recombining it back into water) will be so rich he'll be able to buy Belinda Gates for chump change!! Right now they use a complicated expensive series of splits and liquifications to separate the two gasses. All it will take is some back yard hacker to come up with a simple way to do that and all the oil reserves in the world will be worth their weight in ... well ... water. Less.
Their best bet if they do manage to discover a clean, simple, easy way to do that? Post it on the NET before they're MURDERED by the oil giants and their political hacks. | |
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UrbanX
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Posted: 2/23/2007 6:29:28 AM |
Their best bet if they do manage to discover a clean, simple, easy way to do that? Post it on the NET before they're MURDERED by the oil giants and their political hacks.
Is that a tinfoil collar on your dog, Dave?
Cheers,
Mike (just asking) | |
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Posted: 2/23/2007 8:58:54 AM | No, it's an AURORALITES safety collar. Nuffin but the best for my pooch. I always take the foil off before I take the pics - interferes with the flash doncha know.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not really after you.
The 5 biggest oil companies posted PROFITS of between 30 and 40 BILLION DOLLARS - EACH last year. Considering the taxes on that consumption are you suggesting that I have to be nuts to think that somebody in either of those branches of monopolistic power would be reluctant to stage a little accident for some geek who stumbled upon a cheap way of powering our society??
Could a well read adult be THAT naive? | |
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UrbanX
| | Joined: 10/26/2006
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Posted: 2/23/2007 9:51:41 AM |
are you suggesting that I have to be nuts to think that somebody in either of those branches of monopolistic power would be reluctant to stage a little accident for some geek who stumbled upon a cheap way of powering our society??
Not nuts, no, but not in tune with the capitalistic spirit that infuses those guys. Don't think of them as oil companies but as energy companies and you'll start seeing that capitalizing on new energy sources as oil and fossil fuels runs out is in their best interest. Think also of the political and in some cases geographical instability of the largest oil reserves in the world and you'll start seeing the risks that keep them up at night.
These are guys that are terrified of Huppert's Peak and its implications for them and their shareholders even as they rake in record short term profits.
As for 200 mile-per-gallon carburetors, the car that runs on water and other free energy schemes, you'll find those classified under urban myths and conspiracy theories not under science or innovation.
You might also want to look up the definition of monopoly too, as well as the laws in North America surrounding it.
Cheers,
Mike (good for you for keep your pooch safe; the tinfoil crack was just forum serendipity) | |
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Posted: 2/23/2007 10:06:09 AM | LMAO! Do tinfoil collars work the same as tinfoil hats, Urban??
Make your own Tinfoil Deflector Beanie: http://zapatopi.net/afdb/ | |
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Posted: 2/23/2007 11:14:07 AM | Look, one could extract energy from all sorts of things. The thing that makes it "good" is if you can extract enough of it to make it economically feasible. There's all kinds of ways to make usable energy, but it's often a matter of scale.
Solar works well for adding additional juice for a household to heat water and add something to the electrical usage, but large scale solar farms aren't a great idea given their current efficiency. If they can get the yield up to something like 50% then they would start making sense. Right now, they're 'bit players' without much hope of being more than that.
Wind farms make a significant amount of electricity but you need the acreage to set them up plus you have a ton of maintenance issues associated with tens or hundreds of whirling windmills. They're also pretty good "bird blenders." Many of the same environmentalists who praised them initially are panning them now for that reason.
Right now, oil is king...but that doesn't mean it will always be that way. In fact, it HAS to end eventually since it's a finite resource. Some day even it will become economically unfeasible to drill for.
While the energy companies aren't particularly fond of the idea of changing the status quo, if a new energy market seemed to be opening up I'm sure they'd start getting on board.
Like it was said earlier...they will follow the money wherever it leads. If it leads to E85 or some advancement in fusion power makes cheap hydrogen available do you honestly think they would look the other way, much less try to stop it?
I guess what we need to do as consumers is keep the alternative energy sources in the news and under their noses. Eventually they'll bite.
B~ | |
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Posted: 2/23/2007 1:29:23 PM | What they are talking about is not a perpetual motion machine, it is a COP >1.0 device, it is actually drawing from vacuum energy and vacuum current (explained by O(3) Electrodymanics).
A scientific explination of the electrodynamics behind the device can be found on this website:
http://www.cheniere.org/megstatus.htm | |
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UrbanX
| | Joined: 10/26/2006
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Posted: 2/23/2007 1:54:57 PM | -- sigh ---
From Wikipedia:
Steorn maintains that its invention has already been validated by no fewer than eight unnamed independent scientists and engineers "with multiple PhDs from world-class universities", and found to work, but that none of them were willing to publish their results. The company has declined to name them, citing mutually binding non-disclosure agreements.[23]
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Steorn's high profile PR campaign sets it apart from other free energy developers. On the other hand, its focus on magnetic technology, its failure to provide any evidence for its claims, its reliance on small-scale investors for the bulk of its income, its sketchy financial history, its stated need for a lengthy external validation process, and its irregular financial reporting practices are all common features of other free energy enterprises. [8][29][30]
However, unlike some free energy claimants in the past, Steorn has not implied that there is an outright conspiracy to suppress its technology. CEO Sean McCarthy has stated categorically that he does not believe in such conspiracy theories.[31]
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Serious scientists have validated this invention, but we won't identify them and they won't identify themselves. Right.
Follow the money. In this case, small investors being duped out of their lifesavings. Lawsuits against a defunct company shell to follow.
Cheers,
Mike (spam rhymes with scam for a reason) | |
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Posted: 2/23/2007 2:05:30 PM | Tesla proved it to himself a long time ago that it was real and available but, his wisdom conformed that man was not ready for it.
In hindsite, I believe he was right.
Did it prove it to others that it was possible or did he need to prove to others it was possible and readily available?
Likely to a few but no takers or backers as they could not meter it and enslave others to it.
Today I say the people are ready but the powers that be are not ready to release such a freedom to others
But just think, with the help of the backwoods book read intellects who promote the opinions of fools as their own, to qualify that something that has been proven to a great mind and friend of man is false and their opinion weighs more then a man such as Tesla, only encourages those of integrity to investigate and appraoch the subject and the matter with an open mind to find the true answer.
Contempt prior to investigation.
It is so sad that so many prove their ignorance without speaking a word.
Awe, the power of the Internet
eye8one2 (live it, don't read the book)
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UrbanX
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Posted: 2/23/2007 2:21:41 PM |
In hindsite, I believe he was right.
I believe that you are correct about the hindsite and its applicability to Steorn. Thanks for sharing this fundamental insite. I wish I had the foursite you have.
Cheers,
Mike (and so many prove their ignorance every time they post something in forums) | |
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Posted: 2/23/2007 3:18:01 PM |
Contempt prior to investigation.
It is so sad that so many prove their ignorance without speaking a word.
Awe, the power of the Internet I can do that because I am God. I created the universe and all the laws in it and I know what can and can't be done.
I know that you are not incredulious of me, because that would prove your ignorance.
How about this:
A perpetual motion machine is impossible thanks to thermodynamics.
Many people have claimed to have one for many centuries and every one has been lying.
Now yet another person, again without proof, is claiming something which is quite impossible. Concluding it's a crock is a given. | |
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Posted: 2/23/2007 3:18:58 PM | foureyes are much better but when two opinions intertwine where who is good and other is greedy, the prize is lost to glitter, golden poop...store it away and horde it, make yourself the envy others and cautious when they draw near, they will see you guard golden poop, what a fool.
eye8one2 (reader of words of poop) | |
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Posted: 2/23/2007 9:13:38 PM | UrbanX and JerryinTampa, did any of you even read the stuff in the link in my last post?
What this Steorn claims to have built has already been done by Dr. Tom Bearden. It's called a MEG (Motionless Electromagnetic Generator).
IT IS NOT PERPETUAL MOTION!
The device draws energy from the vacuum all around us. It doesn't create energy out of nothing so it does not violate the Law of Thermodynamics.
The Steorn site doesn't have any of the physics behind the device, go and actually read the information on these sites, including the explination of the Electrodymanic principles behind the device, this is all the proof you should need:
http://www.cheniere.org/megstatus.htm
http://www.cheniere.org/toc.html
If you can give me an actual argument as to why 0(3)Electrodymanics is an invalid theory thereby making the device unworkable please do so. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2007 2:27:15 PM |
What this Steorn claims to have built has already been done by Dr. Tom Bearden. It's called a MEG (Motionless Electromagnetic Generator). Tom Bearden announced the arrival of the MEG technology (Motionless Electromagnetic Generator) on March 26 2002. This device was supposed to be in mass production by 2003, and claimed to produce unlimited energy from the vacuum, to answer mankind's power needs.
As of 2007, the MEG is still not in production, and Tom Bearden claims he needs about $11 million to develop it to a viable commercial form. Tom also admits he presently has no working prototype, stating the 'last working demonstrator was 'promptly destroyed'.
That's not very reassuring. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2007 3:00:48 PM | Geeze who would want to destroy something like that, not the people who destroy countries and lives, not those wonderful loving people who are trying so hard to find ways so that man is at peace with man, no not those people, they are just to wonderful...
Wonder how many people who are against Steorn collect a paycheck from an oil company or a subsiduary or a company that is owned in part or wholly byopne of the associated and or affiliated companies or other company that operates through one of the foundations and other trust funded entities.
Know lets see, those companies represent what, over 50% of the largest corporations around the world or more, so we can say that those who are so vehemently against something that offers something for free to people would in all likelihood, have a 50% or better chance of working for those who likely do not want something like this.
Who signs your paycheck should a questioned asked when people try to convert others to a lie that keeps them in bondage.
Yeah, if you hate Steorn, tell us who signs your paycheck, we know you wouldn't lie.
We are grateful because you know that Steorn, Tesla and many others were wrong, you have done the experiements and know first hand, we of lesser intelligence are envious of you te protectors of golden poop.
No wonder the leaders of the world are the bankers, they have some many peons running around negating progress and likely they do not even know it.
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Posted: 2/24/2007 3:00:50 PM |
The power output of such a device under full design load could then be greater than the amount of power required to make the device run.
We already have such devices: fission reactors, solar/wind farms, hydro-electric dams, etc.
I believe many here are confusing their claims with a perpetual motion machine. With a PMM the energy produced has to be greater than the energy used, period. This is impossible.
With conventional energy production mother nature has already done the work for us at a greater cost than the energy we net.
1)Hydro-electric dams work and continue to do so because tremendous energy is being expended naturally by the Earth.
2)Gravitional assists that space probes like Voyager 2 used to gain speed actually slow a planets rotation ever so slightly.
3)Solar power comes at considerable expense to the Sun at it slowly converts hydrogen to helium and will eventually consume all its fuel.
Though their claim to produce "free and clean energy" sounds shaky at best, it hardly requires perpetual motion to be true. | |
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UrbanX
| | Joined: 10/26/2006
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Posted: 2/26/2007 10:23:28 AM | On Bearden and Cheniere . . .
Here are a few pithy quotes from his 1993 paper which claims 30 years of research to arrive at his insights. http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/Final%20Secret%209%20Feb%201993/indexold.html
Nearly everything fundamental that we've been taught about EM energy is wrong or incomplete. Even the definition of energy in physics is wrong! Let me summarize a few of the things that are wrong with the classical electromagnetics (CEM) model as follows: Oddly, every one else finds that the theoretical underpinnings of electromagnetism remain sound. The objective is for the moderately technical reader to understand how to build and understand not only a single device, but also hundreds of different kinds of them. Oddly, no one has built one that is demonstrable. A second paper this year will detail the exact long-term causative mechanism for cancer and leukemia, and the exact mechanism for essentially 100% cure of terminal tumors in laboratory animals, demonstrated by the Priore team in France in the late 1960s and early 1970s. The same mechanism can be used to cure AIDS. Oddly, Bearden isn't noted as the eradicator of cancer or AIDS. For those still following this crank, here is a fairly simple refutation of his paper. It doesn't take much knowledge to be able to find the holes in his argument large enough to drive an H20 powered truck through, hence the reason scientists ignore his work. http://www.phact.org/e/z/bearden.htm Cheers, Mike (hmmm... I wonder if anyone has trademarked tinfoil condoms yet) | |
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